-The old shard bombs could kill Trojans in two or three hits. Apart from that, bombs are generally very handy against them! If you put down a Dark Briar Barrage or a Nitronome, you can run behind the Trojan, have them turn around and they'll be hit by the blast. In the old days, I'd often use this technique when the rest of my party had wiped and it was just me, a Trojan, and half a pip of health left. It's also pulled off quite well with any manner of haze bomb (except, perhaps, stagger storm.)

It's no Blitz Needle, but nothing except Blitz Needle really is.

-Then I have to show you something beautiful. Apart from that, you've never fought Vanaduke alongside someone using Shivermist? Really? Dark Briar Barrage is also very good against Maulos, as it'll both deal nice damage to him and all the crowd around him. I use it there all the time. Sun Shards and Splinter Bomb, though? I was hoping that the one redeeming qualities of these bombs would be that you could hit bosses with a whole clump of shards so that bombers would still have something to damage bosses with other than Radiant Sun Shards, but instead the shards don't damage them at all. And even if they did, they imposed an arbitrary 3-hit limit not seen in other multihit weapons like autoguns, Divine Avenger, Barbarous Thorn Blade, alchemers, Dark Retribution, brandishes, caliburs and probably other examples I can't think of. And of course, why would they? Multihitting is the entire point of these weapons!

-I'm not entirely sure what triggers this, but it has something to do with two shard bombs blowing up on the same enemy at the same time. When this happens, the enemy is suddenly immune to all further damage from the shard bombs. It's very unacceptable.

Here's a video of a slag being hit by two shards at the same time and taking no damage.

-Releasing a weapon and then having people discover bugs within it is one thing. What baffles me is that Nick knew about two pretty bad bugs about these bombs and released them anyway. I could understand this if there was some kind of deadline going on here, but I don't see what would impose a deadline for releasing these bombs. Players certainly weren't demanding their immediate release.

-I like them too, in the same way that I like my Biohazard. They're kind fun to use, but they need serious fixing to actually be good bombs. Try using Scintillating Sun Shards or Splinter Bomb on a group of undead. Now try using Dark Briar Barrage on that group. Notice how the shard bombs did pitiful damage and DBB did a whole lot of damage despite the bombs being the same damage type? Do you think this is the way it should be when DBB is easier to use and covers a larger area?

-Enemies very frequently take damage from just one shard when it should have been at least two or even three.

Xxpapaya
-Well, I've never seen someone use a bomb against a trojan anyways, mostly just blitz or swords

Bombs are great and very safe against trojans. Here is a video with a bunch of trojan kills include 3 different bombs (nitronome, dbb, old rss). Compare that to the new SSS which is a lot slower (despite having bonus damage against fiends compared to neutral nitronome) and not as safe. Then compare it to the dark retribution vs trojans (which has penalty damage against fiends). At this point you're probably wondering why I changed my bombing pattern with the SSS. Because Stun.

There, at least now you can't say you've never seen bombs being used against Trojans. :)

Rommil still knows how to quit this game hopefully and has that option whatever time and money he put into this game he can exchange his items via steam cant he? (If he not hooked on-to steam he can change that as well). Hey if he wishes to show them how they did mistakes refer back to 1. and 3.

They can not break their own TOS its a violation, and they can get sued for any violation against their own TOS, but hey getting sued to make such a small % of players happy now that is a great company.

They took his bomb that was used for its elemental capabilites and turned it into a piercing bomb. His RSS had a very expensive UV on it, costing him 15k-20k CE and he had a Dark Briar Barrage with an expensive UV so he had no need for another piercing bomb. OOO KNOWS that lots of people used the RSS for its elemental capabilites, so if they really cared about bombers and weren't all greedy, they would let us choose between getting the new RSS or have our bomb turn into the elemental shard bomb with our precious UVs on them. But no. They want Rommil to spend another 15k-20k CE to get an expensived UV'd elemental shard bomb. It's a slap in the face.

Yes, I imagine if that happened to me I would be flipping some tables.
Call me captain obvious, but UVs are fracking expensive because the odds are so tiny. I guess I understand why, but there are plenty of Skolvers boosting around with their max UVs in spite of the cost.
Personally I'm with the players who feel the current shard bombs should have been added as separate crafting lines altogether. My 3 UV ticket did get a fire medium on my mad bomber suit, but I just sold my RSS afterwards because the new mechanics are so vastly different it essentially felt like the removal of the elemental/pierce RSS and the insertion of a completely new bomb by the same name.

/shrug

Anyway. Continue. May all of your posts be logical and reasonable.
… yeah. :)

things change
oh no

There are many issues with the game's mechanics and all and I know sometimes they can be more complicated than they seem to be. That is not my main gripe with the game though and from the looks of it many others. In fact, it's not the game itself at all. It's the way things are being handled OOO.

When I first came, there was a lot of communication from OOO and they listened to the players quite often. If they could not do something, they weren't silent, they simply said "No" and why they could not do something. This no longer happens and it gives a very bad image on the customer's side of things. Think about it, if a customer asked a manager of a retail store on why this item is not on sale and the manager said nothing, what would the customer think? He'd be very mad of course. However, if the manager explained to the best of his abilities on why this item is not on sale, then he could satisfy the customers need for information. Yes, the customer can still be mad, but if he's mad after the manager explained to him then it's no longer on the manager.

This is one thing that's happening now. Sometimes we just want a simple answer, but we're not even getting that. All we get is silence, which tells us "We don't care". Actions speak louder than words, and these actions are driving some people up a wall. That's why there's so much rage on the forums right now.

I am quite disappointed with Eury's response in this thread as well. Yes, he may have been out of line, but if there was time to respond to insult, then I expect there should be enough time to answer some simple questions that have been going around on this forum. That time could have been much better spent.

Bombers are SMFs.

NJ is a puppet.

The pants were dead and the dirt was messy.

Save it, Nj's got some boots to lick.

On topic:
Hey 3Rings, or anyone representing! Why the silence? Kat got your tongue?

i luv how njthug is supporting this rage thread by raging at the haters lol. keep at it njthug, be a thug, you have my total support.

~i'm luving it

Well Ters, you win the award title of Dr. Frankenstein for this thread in particular :D I myself am surprised how much this snowballed. Made me think of this.

1.They obviously intented it to be buggy. They knew stun was bugged befor they put it on the new shard bombs. Any smart person would think to wait to fix Stun before adding it. It could have had a temporary damage boost while waiting for Stun to be fixed.

2. Actually, no we don't have options. All bombs are area affect bombs now, while both swords and guns have many mechanics for different situations. And a piercing RSS is not a good alternative to an elemental bomb. 1, constructs resist pierce. 2, the damage theses bombs do to neutral targets is pitiful, so these won't even be good for undead.

3. You saw all of our posts asking if we were going to get a UV ticket for every crystal bomb. We KNOW you saw those posts, because Hyperion replied. You guys could have cancelled the update.

This should not be frustrating for people who relied on it for lockdown. You guys had LD testing, which obviously meant you wanted these bombs to be usable there. It should be obvious how the current mechanics aren't suited for LD. Oh, unless it was just a money grab to get more people to pay to get on the test server?

That is one of the most apathetic responses I have seen from an admin/developer.

And I used to play NexonNA games.

1. So they had no intention to make the new RSun line broken, they knew stun was broken, but they did it anyway.

   When would that ever make sense? While drugged out of consciousness?

2. We had the original RSun, they divided into two separate lines; that makes it acceptable. This section should actually read as:

   "Oh, sorry, we took the original split specialized damage and made it two completely separate items which you would have to pay to get. Buy more energy while we only offer the lowest quality items we can create!"

   That was how I read it.

3. Time for another derpslation:

   "We know people took advantage of a system we created to very obviously be taken advantage of, but it will never happen again."

   What about the first time it happened? Does ignoring it make the problem go away? Did Romney actually buy them out or do they not want to have paying customers?

Insert Wakfu promotion here. I could write practically anything about that game and it would probably steal customers from this game.

To be honest this game turned me from its biggest fan to one of its biggest haters. They need a gamer on their team because they clearly don't have any idea what this game needs. Their updates make me more mad then happy most of the time. I have been saying this for months, 000 never makes good on their promises and lies to their player-base.

ex. Hey guys we are just gonna bind all items on craft because we don't want people to get to 5 star gear so quickly. That was their response to why they added binding.
Releases Supply depot which allows you to just str8 up buy 5 star gear at a cost that undercuts unbinding prices. Explain that one to me 000

ex. Hey guys these promos will never be seen again if you buy them. (Put up promo items on Featured auction)

Examples of not making good on promises.

1. Hey we are gonna buff the Magnus line- Months later still not buffed
2. Hey the tortodrone will be making a debut again- Months later still no tortodrone
3. Hey guys we are making a second post on Guild hall updates just to troll ya
4. Stun bug- We are fixing it atm but its tricky one. Yep take all the time in the world to fix something that affects ld, gameplay

Responses to Major issues
5. Rss- Sure majority of the playerbase hates it and yet WE LOVE IT! If you don't like it just use those area bombs okay :)
6. Uv ticket abuse- We made a mistake get off our backs about it.

I'm done complaining because quite frankly I'm exhausted from it. I want to praise this game so badly but it just never works out. Hopefully guild hall update will finally make me a fan again. The urge to just sell everything and never log on this game again is getting stronger and stronger with each passing day. I think we all love this game deep down but we are just frustrated.

A weapon is not meant to be ideal in every situation. You've pointed out situations where the bomb doesn't work. There are other situations where they do work fine. Not perfectly, but they still do the job. I'll agree that there are few situations where the bomb performs well, but that doesn't mean its unusable. I agree that putting stun on the rss is a little odd. The normal damage variant also seems a bit stupid but then again so are almost all normal damage weapons if one is intending on specialising damage. And yes I do have the new shard bombs, I did use the old shard bombs (probably more than most) and I do use a lot of other bombs.

Hollafamer,

Nobody said promos were limited time access to those items. Regarding their neglected promises (which you can add revamping the boosting mineral system and opening the core to that list of yours), that's why I believe they try and maintain a closed-door policy. Any number of things can pop up and delay the delivery of these promises, and that allows you to call them out perhaps unfairly at a time like this. And when you do call them out it will probably make them feel more inclined to that closed-door policy. You can't have it both ways buddy.

I only log in briefly to craft my mist away or do a quick mission or two.

My gaming preference shifted to Wakfu and TF2 months ago.

A better comparison for this scenario would be the apple vendor only offers rotten and worm infested fruit so people complain. They can still get fresh apples from other vendors, but the previous vendor should take care of their business better if they want customers. Your comparison works for a game like Endless-Online which fell apart very quickly but holds fond memories which keeps some players while the majority move on.

I find it boring when Im stuck in 4* forever. :/

"So majority are supporters who are haters of Spiral Knights, but still play Spiral Knights."

I thought I explained this? We are here because we still believe OOO can change. And we don't hate SK, we just don't like how OOO has been handling things lately.

I said I didn't hate SK.

I said I liked SK.

I simply think some things could be improved! Does that make me a hater? If anything, I'm quite the opposite- I think this is an excellent game, with only a few flaws!

There's no point in talking to someone with tunnel vision, someone who won't listen to the obvious. I believe Proverbs calls such a person a fool. And I'm fairly certain Proverbs ain't alone on that one. I'm done posting here, unless Njthug uses his head for a change and accepts that we don't worship Three Rings.

After all, Three Rings IS fallible. No offense to them, they acknowledge it.

D:

This thread makes my stomach hurt.

Want Three Rings to Change use this:

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/5

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/6

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/62

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/forum/7

@Rio --- I just said I was allergic to the apple my post was for those kids who are still posting how much this game sucks and how much they hate it dont wish to support it. Like we talked in-game you do know my view-point on Three Rings and how development is going <69. This game is near from perfect, but you can say you hate dress-up majority loves its, and dress-up allows the devs to focus on other updates.

@Shidara --- Yes we never get new content oh wait 4 new danger missions...I do agree the wait for new content sucks its almost as bad as the wait for the new iPhone 5...nvm lets say iPhone 5s, but it is life to develop quality updates or products you have to wait, and if you can not you have many other options to keep you busy.

@Serell --- I am only here to troll you guys and make you guys rage over the internet since its pretty funny, and I do find it disrespectful the way half of you feel you are entitled to nice things even though you want to bash Three Rings left and right.

Example: "Three Rings only works 10 minutes on update"

<69 Hope you enjoy those links.

Funny of you to post a link to suggestions and test feedback when they just ignored the whole shard bombs feedback at the test server forum and ignored the shard bombs petition at the suggestions. :)

This.

So much.

To me the problem is ignorant and apathetic people, not the game itself.

You're not reading into my message, but somebody else's. I've already come to terms with the fact that content updates have a longer wait than other MMOs. I was merely stating that for other players, who do not care for the accessorising, vanity promotionals aren't very interesting, in response to your suggestion of looking at the promos. Personally, I am a fashion freak, so I am already stalking the market for them fancy-schmancy promo items. But back to my point, to someone who doesn't look at vanity promotionals, the wait for content updates may seem longer than it does to others because we let ourselves be distracted by them.

Addendum: I am also rather fond of the Danger Missions. I think they're pretty all right. The only one I don't really like is Heart of Ice, but that might be related to my dislike for cold climates in real-life. Ha well, first world problems..