Why do Rich P2P players like to pretend theyre F2P?
mer, 09/19/2012 - 22:38
It's OK, nothing wrong with that.
In fact, if you are RICH and somehow managed to get all that awesome gear without spending a single cent, it means 3 things:
1. Youre a gold digger and got your stuff free from people.
2. You have no life and spend countless hours grinding, crafting, and merchanting.
3. You're either a kid not old enough to get a job, or a lazy unemployed adult.
Im not at all endorsing that all of us bust out our wallets and spend a gazillion bucks on SK. If you do that, thats just as worse as pretending to be F2P. All I'm trying to point out is why do players with awesome gear like Max UVs and expensive costumes etc panic and immediately say theyre F2P?
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 00:00
#2
.
How about lucky craft? I crafted a crap wolver cap with dual max :/ poison+normal, not good but sold for a nice 1.5mil cr, and I'm P2P, no point hiding it, I just hide inspect.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 01:06
#3
Eltia covered the basic
Eltia covered the basic response. If you have a lot of cash, you generally don't walk around with it shoved up your nose or something. In fact, you probably keep most of it in a bank, where it will gain interest. You may also choose to invest in something that will eventually earn you more cash. Heck, maybe you live as if you didn't have a lot of cash, that way you could save up all of your cash and end up with even more cash than you thought you had.
Now, let's move on to other points.
In fact, if you are RICH and somehow managed to get all that awesome gear without spending a single cent, it doesn't mean anything except that you managed to get all that awesome gear without spending a single cent.
My friend was busy with his college schoolwork and his part-time job, so he decided to simply craft every day because he was unable to play more than a couple of levels. Mind you, this was before the advent of the Mission System, so he couldn't go get his daily Prestige or anything like that - he could play through a few levels in the Arcade or blow his Energy on crafting.
He chose the latter, and I believe it took him about a month to accrue somewhere between 600,000 and 1,000,000 Crowns. To this day he has not spent a single cent on Spiral Knights.
TL;DR:
1. My friend received no more than perhaps 500 Crowns for free. In fact, I often found myself indebted to him because he had enough Crowns to give me loans. Yes, I paid them back.
2. My friend was so busy with his life that he was unable to spend more than one hour per day playing Spiral Knights.
3. My friend is a young adult who held a job as he became a rich F2P player in Spiral Knights.
EDIT: Highlighted key parts of the TL;DR.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 00:40
#4
Do you just not believe that
Do you just not believe that rich players can be F2P? It happens; the game has been out long enough that anybody can be INCREDIBLY well-established. It only takes a few hours a day, every day. (Especially once you get to Firestorm Citadel. Holy crap, you can get like 16k in a day from mist alone.)
I'm certainly not F2P but I have spent enough time playing to know it's not impossible. I'm just lazy and impatient, and enjoy throwing some money at a game I really like. :B
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 03:32
#5
Choo choo.
Okay. The OP is just so damn silly, I think I might've blown a couple'a silly-fuses over here. Choo choo, all aboard the crazy train!
First, in the topic name, you ask why P2P'ers pretend to be F2P'ers. Then in the first sentence in the OP, you sorta go "Nono, forget that, who gives a damn." before proceeding to bash and negatively label every single F2P player as either a gold digger, no lifer (synonym with being anti-social I guess), a 'kid' (whatever you mean by that), lazy and/or unemployed adult.
How on earth is any of that relevant in any way at all? You just felt you had to shove a paragraph of pure F2P bashing in there just because? And then you say that it's perfectly fine to be P2P, as long as you don't spend too much money, because that would probably be "worse" than being an F2P player... Meaning, worse than a begging, no lifing, unemployed, lazy manchild. Yeah... Man, I think I can feel the brains figuratively leaking out of my ears right now.
Also, I'd like to know how you know that P2P players say they're F2P... No wait. Let me guess, you looked at their gear?... Because I sincerely doubt you had a vidchat with them so that you could see them 'panicking'.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 03:40
#6
F2P can be rich just as P2P
F2P can be rich just as P2P can be poor. I normally have less then 200k total to my account and I'm P2P. Mostly because I normally save up to get high end UVs or accessories for my gear, not to resell.
~Gwen
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 03:49
#7
Can I sit down? The sky is swirling around.
I resent being called 1 or 3.
1 because it didn't happen (in this game), and 3 because I do actually play games at work while coordinating jobs or waiting for someone else to finish their end.
2... well I used to have a life, but I decided that social interactions and the outside world just wasn't for me.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 04:19
#8
LOL
I've never paid a cent for this game.
my good friend who quit after 3 weeks of playing gave me his lucky ctrvh avenger.. his first craft ever.
that's how I got my shock max skolver set.. not by paying.
I also bid on stuff on the AH, and I love to resell them. especially accessories (I don't do it much, too much schoolwork)
and you should see xairathan.. sooo. rich... and f2p too!
nobody cares about beggars, so we can't be gold diggers..
we have lives (most of us) and people like me have no time to grind KOA
I work as a personal assistant for an owner of a small company. great pay, but I'm not using it on SK...
I have a life and I'm saving up ^.^
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 05:05
#9
Personally, having only paid for OCH and d.wings (one set), I don't really consider myself 'P2P'; it hasn't really had any noticeable effect on the game and accounts for likely lower than 3% of all the crowns I've used.
I just play until my mist is depleted, then do that again the next day, etc.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 05:07
#10
Live Long and prosper
I'm with Draycos. I still consider myself F2P despite buying OCH and the explorer pack when it first came out. I got to my high-ranking level just by burning through my mist every day
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 06:23
#11
Epic, I think you just
Epic, I think you just insulted the entire community. Fudge off. Just because people work hard playing on a game doesn't necessarily mean any of the three you listed. There's nothing wrong with paying to play a game you enjoy. If it wasn't for those who pay, you wouldn't be here and those highly skilled and educated professionals who work on this site for a living would be employed elsewhere. Maybe pay to play bashing and beggars are why people deny paying.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 06:33
#12
Epic, I think you just
Epic, I think you just insulted the entire community
Pretty much sums it up; you've picked every negative spin on how people can get rich and are throwing it in the faces of everyone uninvolved. Some people just naturally know what to do to get rich fast, some have experience in MMOs and know the tricks, some are more concerned about building themselves a mini empire ingame than just throwing it all away and being poor and having fun, and some people buy their money because they don't want to spend time. There's plenty of reasons why someone might be well off in game and it's not always such a bad thing.
Like Gwen said, I'm p2p and I'm broke as well; I could so easily have an utter fortune on my account if I'd dedicated myself to ragecrafting, merchanting etc with the time/money I've put in, but I'd rather just throw it at making whatever set takes my fancy at any given time. Should I be ashamed to admit to people that I'm p2p but don't have 2m? I think right now I have about 6k cr. I spend my money as fast as I make it, I don't save up. That's no different than people who invest all their money into making more, whether p2p or f2p.
ANYWAYS, hoping that your community-wide trolling was just a sheer, thoughtless accident and you actually just innocent meant "why do some p2p players deny being p2p?" then that's just a shameful moment of theirs, as some people think that paying into a game is cheating or somehow discredits their accomplishments...especially if they go around telling everyone that they did it without the "help".
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 06:40
#13
Sickening.
And the community gets down on their knees and licks Epic's boots while saying; "I swear I didn't do it. I have proofs! Look! *Sniff sniff* 8(((("
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 06:45
#14
I'm F2P, and I've got plenty... mostly just from getting lucky, although more than half of what I've got was earned by myself over the year and a fourth or so I've played. I've won the UV lottery multiple times via crafting, and I've been gifted some of the P2P content, like OCH from Munya and the guardian pack from MysteryZX, other than that I've had to earn everything.
Keep in mind that I was at a huge advantage when I was new- the price of CE was only like 5-6K when I farmed FSC.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 07:08
#15
Because beggar always search for P2P players.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 08:12
#16
@Epic-Truth
Tsk tsk, way to
@Epic-Truth
Tsk tsk, way to get on the wrong side of the community. Now you'll be remembered as the person who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. It's funny too cause your name is Epic-Truth! LOL
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 10:14
#17
The epic truth is that...
The epic truth is that... This is what he wanted us to do all along! Waste time!
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 11:11
#18
Epic-Truth = epic troll.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 11:40
#19
...........The amount this thread doesn't make is stagering....
Or atleast the OP is....
Some lie about it probably, but I'm not. Although P2P isn't really the right word for me. I don't play off my money here. I just buy some from a promo every now and then, or buy it when I need CE badly. So I'm not a 'Pay to play' player, more I think I'm a 'Semi-paying player'. Lately, I am actually getting quite alot of loot just from crafting a certain sword and selling it. The amount I get isn't so much, as I'm needing to buy a rare mat sometimes, but I've been getting it more by just going to levels that have the specific enemy that gives it.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 13:11
#20
lol
I have a "friend" in Dark Guardians who you may have seen wearing Almirian Armor + Violet Chapeau (not gonna reveal names though).
Everyone understands that it IS 100% possible to get rich without spending a penny, but there are a few tricks and some considerable patience to pull this off. In fact, grinding, crafting, and merchanting are all what you obviously gotta do to get rich.
Going back to this friend of mine, she claims to be entirely "free to play" with very expensive gear and costumes (Triple MAX Skolver, Wolver tails, Almirian Armor, Violet Chap, and other MAX/High gear). I would believe shes F2P, but there is a major problem though: I asked her if she rage crafts using multiple alts, farm FSC/clockworks, advertise in trade/zone chat or even noob exploit (buying gear with good UVs from ignorant noobs). She told me herself she DONT do any of these. Ummm, huh? Then when I ask how she gets money, she starts to panic (if you saw her reply youd understand lol) and claims that she uses a merchant alt to buy + sell stuff with noobs. Umm...theres another problem: She would log on her main account ALL DAY, everyday and play until she goes to work or sleep (this is confirmed by me and guildies when I used to be in DG). This means she RARELY--if ever at all--use that alt account. The fact that she told me herself that her internet + computer is crappy eliminates the possibility of simultaneously logging on to a main + alt account. How could she make money then? Also, how could you make money from buying/selling stuff from noobs? (Remember she doesnt noob exploit). I also looked at trade chat and asked people who were advertising if they were her, all confirmed they were not.
This leads me to believe that my friend "L" is one of 2 things:
1. She is in fact a P2P player pretending to be F2P.
2. She doesnt go to work or sleep, but instead uses that spare time she has when she logs off to merchant stuff with her alt. Using the OP's own words, she "doesnt have a life" lol.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 12:54
#21
@feller
oh mah gawd so rich.
so much moneyy
send me a video tutorial on how to merch @.@
all I do is rage the AH all day looking for good deals on LD gear.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 12:55
#22
@Jay-Zz
Wow, some "friend" you are.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 12:59
#23
@derpules
sarcasm ;)
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 13:03
#24
I used to be a merchant in TF2. I still have a buds and some stuff, but I got tired of it. Now I just play the game, because well... I'd rather just enjoy the game. I don't want to worry about being rich, or whatnot.... I make more crowns playing minecraft classic building people's requests than I do on runs through the clockworks or through FSC which is decidedly different due to its economic status.... but I hate to have to build things for the game for two reasons- I don't like to support games that are viewed as being "bad MMOs" with artwork. Some games I would consider artwork; Spiral Knights is most decidedly not one of them. The second is that its not my art- I didn't design the jelly king, OOO did.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 13:03
#25
Bitterness will kill you.
I don't think I've ever spent 1/5th the time you have wondering how someone made their money.
P.S. The fact that someone is logged in on their main doesn't mean they're not also logged in on their alt.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 13:16
#26
Ever heard of outdoors?
I dont think Ive ever spent 1/5 the time you spent sitting in front of the AH for hours on end.
P.S. Looking at your list of merchandise, thats a whole lotta time :O
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 13:32
#27
Yup. It is.
You're right. Do you want a cookie? 15 CE each, just for you.
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 13:43
#28
pawned
Damn, you got pawned Derp! D:
also Feller: wtf? youre def not f2p dude
jeu, 09/20/2012 - 14:07
#29
Simple
The answer is simple...They want to show how cool they are in the game..If they let other people think that the awesome gear with the super duper uvs was achieved without money then this automatically does this achievement even greater!
ven, 09/21/2012 - 07:55
#30
This is simple
Some people do pretend they are completely f2p, I won't comment on that.But I do know that it is completely possible to become "rich" as a f2p. As a f2p I had 2.3 million crs at one point (only 700k now) by merchanting. A lucky craft could also propel someone to riches.
ven, 09/21/2012 - 09:06
#31
Two words.
Mirrored Lockbox.
ven, 09/21/2012 - 18:21
#32
lolz
jayzz ooh a triple max skolver? perhaps that was because of the RSS change, getting a lucky 3uv ticket ;)
getting lucky uv rolls can get you incredibly rich
buying something off AH can also help you get very rich
(freezingcold bought one of those hunter boxes for 400 crowns. I'm guessing the seller forgot to add three "0"s)
and I believe this is laylla. LOLZIES.
maybe you shouldn't explain in such detail what she wears, and what she has. maybe triple max uv stuff would be enough to prove your point
but no, you're a ******************************************* <=== you can fill that in yourself.
ven, 09/21/2012 - 19:24
#33
One more thing.
I think we should call him Epic Finger Point.
ven, 09/21/2012 - 20:26
#34
@ redblades
"because of the RSS change, getting a lucky 3uv ticket"
lol i wish! The chances of UV ticket getting you a MAX are the exact same very low chance as you would getting UVs from that gremlin UV guy.
"getting lucky uv rolls can get you incredibly rich"
True, but you cant get lucky all the time. If you read and understood what j-zz said, the guy hes talkin about has a lot of max and high items while claiming to be entirely free to play without mass crafting, doing runs, or consistent merchanting. And since we all know everyone cant be this lucky everytime, j-zz does have a valid point and I also think the guy really is P2P.
ven, 09/21/2012 - 20:40
#35
I'm F2P
Deal with it.
0 penny spent in SK.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 02:50
#36
Posts thread and never replies
I call troll
sam, 09/22/2012 - 04:29
#37
luck can be had
i crafted a max norm barb thorn shield. 1 double uv ticket got max elem. 2 triple UV tickets got max shadow.
I'm not F2P, as i did some energy purchasing to craft back when i was a newb. Pawn and I then figured out how to make lots of profit in game--with very minimal effort. We did this slowly for about 2 weeks. It quickly became clear, you had a very steady rate of return. This meant that the more you "invested" in this crown making endeavor the more you got back. Seeing that, and being somewhat impatient (as well as seeing that margins would decrease the more people caught on) I purchased us both a 50 dollar energy back. With the extra 20k ce to invest, we quickly amassed a small fortune each, and then turned those small fortunes into large fortunes, and then turned those large fortunes into excessively large fortunes.
At the height of my merchanting, I was invested by at least 100k ce at all times. My richest ever was 20m crowns and 1-200k ce. (i believe hollafamer can verify this, as i recall dropping it into a trade chat window with him :) This when CE was 5900 per. And at that time, i had some "super costumes" with divine/prism/volc wings, halos, scarves, and all the auras. Back when these items were only attainable with multimillion crown investments in featured auctions house. Before the nemesis promo flooded the market with them.
Now, i was never free to play. Heck, i spent 75 cents (it was an option in the beginning) a few times in my first two weeks playing the game. But on the other hand, its hard to claim that my small but tidy investment made me "OMG, rommil has soo much, P2P, P2P." While i did buy CE in game, i like to think that i put that CE to work for me to amass an empire, through savvy in-game merchanting. I certainly didnt get 1-200k ce + 20m crowns by "opening my wallet," even though that initial investment of 50 dollars each expedited the process.
Sadly, through numerous updates and changes, my initial way of making money is no longer available. Or it is, but the risk doesn't outweigh the reward in all but the narrowest of instances. I still practice it effectively in a few directions, but only under certain conditions. All that being said, I am still wheeling and dealing, and make money at a fairly rapid rate.
My current methods are not a big secret: Buy low, sell high. Nor am I taking advantage of anyone. Anyone on the game is free to (and often do) send me tails asking for price checks. I'll tell them what price i'd buy it at, what price i think the market is, and what price i'd sell it for. Full-transparency. Many times i am asked to then purchase the item. Usually i decline too, sometimes i accept. Often when i accept, i inform them they'd be better off being patient and selling at market value then to me @ under market value. But sometimes they are in need of fast cash. so be it.
i feel like people who just can't figure out how to make money are the ones who insist that spending real dollars is the only way to get ahead.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 04:32
#38
Why in the world
Why in the world does this small minority of f2p'ers care SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much who occasionally supports OOO with a ce purchase. If anything, if you believe someone is P2P then you should just quietly be grateful. They are paying for you too!!! And BTW, it's really none of your business who pays and who doesn't, and they not be telling you because...it's none of your business.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 04:37
#39
Ta daaaa
I'm sure Rommil without spent a penny plus a little effort could have the same results once you know how to do bussines.
I start with mats, when a shadow steel cost over 16k cr, after that health trinket when only was dropped by love puppies, then damage and speed trinkets, finally I built my welth trading like Rommil.
All start with 20k cr. My top as been 20 mill, and I'm getting more.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 12:08
#40
Its incredibly easy to be a
Its incredibly easy to be a rich F2Per in SK. FSC/KoA alone pays out 16k a day average. If you're a skilled player (which you would have to be to be a rich F2Per) You would only spend around an hour a day just doing those 2 runs.
7 x 16000 = 112000 cr/7h a week
And that's without fighting Vana.
If you're a good merchant, you can make that in a day probably. Also think about it: you dont need CE at ALL to gain millions of cr at that level.
In 1 month, or ~30 hours of gaming at 5* level (so about 2 months of playing), that adds up to about 480000cr per month. I actually belive that, knowing I once farmed for a week and was just short of 100000cr.
If you REALLY want to do some math(I dont) then calculate in the average amount converted to CE each month to retain 4 weapon slots (and 2 trinket slots if you want.)
I'm still postitive you'll end up with around 50k a month still.
so yes, it is easy to be "rich" and still be F2P. It just requires being smart in both the economical and gameplay aspects of the game.
Anyways, that's all a very basic level of earning riches. Of course if you played more than 2 FSC runs a day, you can essentially profit more per week/ day by just converting 1 run worth of CR into CE.
FYI I'm technically P2P. Or was, until I took a break from the game. When I awsn't paying, I could still manage an upkeep of profit so I never really ran out of CE until I started caring less about how I used my CE.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 14:49
#41
i'll give people a hint
Grinding clockworks/missions to get rich is like trying to get rich by picking up extra shifts at mcdonalds. Rich Dad, Poor Dad (the book) is correct in stating "you'll never get rich by saving money." so in spiral knights terms, you'll never get rich by playing clockworks and saving crowns. (well you could, but its about he least efficient way possible).
And even if you are cocosnake, and wish to spend an absurd amount of money, opening your wallet is about the second most inefficient, not to mention least economical, way to get rich.
to get a mere 100k ce, you had to spend 250 dollars. Much more intelligent to pay 50 dollars (if you don't have initial funds) to get 20k ce. Invest it wisely and make 20k ce over the month. Next month, use 40k ce to make 40k ce more. next month use 80k ce to make 80k ce more. See how this works? If you know what you are doing, everytime you invest it you make returns of (whatever coefficient multiplier you are able to earn). And everytime you re-invest you earn those rates of return again. You wealth grows exponentially as a result.
Meanwhile, craft a lot, and get big bonuses when you get a lucky craft. CTR VH/ASI VH, or MAXes for armors.
All in a days work. Its up to the individual to be smart enough to figure in what arenas the profits lay.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 20:07
#42
@Epic-Truth
I'm a kid and I don't play all day.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 20:31
#43
Another thread that just insults the SK community?
Graveyard please. EVERYTHING in this game can be obtained without paying (except OCH) so what if someone has an epic UV does that mean they payed so they had enough ce? NO. I'm p2p but I've gotten some of the worst luck with UV's. SO what makes you think that just because people pay to play makes them have awesome uv's. Ask any person that has awesome uv's and they'll probably say they had to spend a while getting what they have. And some of us just run FSC like CRAZY to get crowns. So please graveyard this, you've ticked off a good half of the community with your quick and horrible analysis of this game's players. And thank you everyone else for trying to talk some sense into the OP.
sam, 09/22/2012 - 20:49
#44
P2P players pretend to be F2P
P2P players pretend to be F2P because they're ashamed to have spent money on this game.
dim, 09/23/2012 - 10:25
#45
@Rommil: It may be the "best" way to do it that way, but it takes time and effort. The most "efficient" way to get CE is still to just buy it can get it instantly. :)
@Thread: The thing why F2P players care so much about if others spent money, is because they want to know if they made all that withouth spending anything. And basically their comparing themselves to other F2Pers. Like "If he has millions of cr, and is F2P, how does he do it?? Im F2P too but i dont have that kind of money." I've felt that way myself before, we have the same playing field yet they have accomplished much more and made a lot more money. (Personally, I have my own money making ways that I'd rather not reveal here. Though im a bit busy in the asian server, i made about 1k CE+ a day during my prime)
dim, 09/23/2012 - 10:40
#46
well...
You shouldn't really judge people on their gear, or if their F2P or not.
A person could be bragging all out in haven about his armor and whatnot.
And then he dies 5 times in a wolver den.
I think skill makes the knight, although you'll need the armor to be realized of your skill.
dim, 09/23/2012 - 18:55
#47
F2P and rich
Is Godlike.
Now if you buy 20k ce and build an empire like Pawn and Rommil, is INSANE as well.
dim, 09/23/2012 - 19:43
#48
To make money you need to invest money.
--Everything below this line is my thoughts and my thoughts alone--
To make money (crowns/ce) in Spiral Knights you need to invest. Sadly, I find this extremely boring to do on a video game. I play the game to play with my friends. To play with my guild. The money I make is from the runs I do. Over time I could make 1-2M (I think 33k/day for the 1M) crowns a month if I really tried but that isn't what I want to do nor is sitting in Haven playing merchant. I want to enjoy the game not make it a 2nd job. If the merchants in SK honestly enjoy what they are doing I feel they would find it better to invest their time into a real market with real benefits/punishments.
Either way when the day is over this is just a game. Even if you are rich, poor, f2p, or p2p this is all just a game. Play the game to enjoy it. Don't hate on f2p. Don't hate on p2p. They are both needed just to make this game function. Today I ran into f2p player trying to harass me because I have a full surge costume with Arcane Halo. 1st, the Arcane Halo was a gift from a great friend. I bought everything except my helmet from the Auction House. Yes I opened a couple surge boxes. One gave me my helmet and the other gave me a Surge Draped Armor that I gave to Tentaspy. So I spent some money? I have a job and in return I was able to give my friend a gift that she wanted. In all I feel like it was money well spent because I was able to make a friend happy.
People are welcome to be f2p.. but it is completely nonsense to go out and try to attack p2p players just because they chose to support Three Rings at one point, invest into the game, or made a friend happy. I can tell you though that 100% of my gear was made with hard work or given to me from friends that quit.
dim, 09/23/2012 - 19:53
#49
You do realize
If there wasnt any F2P people, OOO wouldnt have enough money to continue SK.
Tysm RICH PPL
dim, 09/23/2012 - 19:56
#50
Counter-productive post Hungran. If there was no P2P the F2P would have nothing past 2 star because of how the game is setup. If there was no F2P the P2P would have no one to sell things too. At least attempt to understand that BOTH are needed. Without one or the other the game will not last.
Same reason why you wouldn't show a wallet full of cash in public.