Spiral Knights - It's Time for My Own Rant

It's Time for My Own Rant

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Sat, 10/20/2012 - 21:57

Vesperaldus

It's Time for My Own Rant

Lots of people have something (in SK) that they are passionate about. Be it merchanting, Lockdown, their guild, or wanting the core to open, it doesn't matter specifically, but we all have something whether we realize it or not. It's why some of us keep playing.
No, this isn't a thread saying I'm going to quit over some petty little thing. No, I'm not trying to make anyone do anything differently (trolls will be trolls). But I am making this to have a discussion, in hopes it will make you think twice, and to air my own recent rage. (I have found most of your complaints to be silly, and likewise I expect many of YOU to think THIS is silly and pointless.)
Accessories come in varieties and rarity. Some even are in limited number. But we all know (or should or at least will soon) that once an accessory is removed, it is then destroyed. There is no unbind fee in order to sell it or put it elsewhere. Once it's gone... it's gone. Now we all change our minds. We decide we like this but then later like something better so we change (our accessory/costume). It's not a big deal, right? Perhaps not, rich or poor. But the following is primarily directed to the rich, except in the case the poor get a lucky lockbox opened.
Yep, I changed colors and that style of flower doesn't fit quite well as it used to, so I'ma get a new one. But wait. Wasn't that flower divine? Yeah, it was, but I like the volcanic one for my new color. And you know what? I decided I just don't like these prismatic vertical vents and I want to try that new laurel instead. I didn't like those vents on that helm anyway. Oh yeah, I've got my eye on that arcane halo too. Gonna take off that summer crown for it. And I just can't make up my mind if I want to be extra short or extra tall, so I've got a dozen or so of those apiece.
Whereas the above may be exaggrated, the point is changing on a whim. Some may be rich enough to do it, others not, but when it comes down to something that is rare or in limited supply, that's when it gets downright aggrivating. Omg, you won those prism vents that I would have got if I wasn't 5 seconds late to the AH! *Rages and spends remaining crowns on random overpriced junk then finds out that you took the vents off two weeks later.* So what if those prismatic vertical vents had been a reoccurring item on the featured auction list? One may feel justified in taking the item off, knowing it will be there again soon and no one would miss it and there is still plenty more for others. Okay, so do you rich like to taunt everyone (either directly or in your own mind) and show off your massive wealth by throwing that twilight aura away as if it were nothing? If so, you are included in the group of trolls I mentioned from the start. If not, I only ask you to think twice. And if it is something in limited supply, then I only hope you won't destroy it. I certianly hope I don't have to point out that replacing prismatic mech'tennas with dusky ones would be just... wrong.

-My rant: STOP GOING AROUND TAKING OFF YOUR PRICELESS ACCESSORIES!!

-For those complainers that want to complain about my complaining: I didn't make you read any portion of this.

-For those who think accessories are a waste of time and it's all about the UVs and gear: To each their own.

-For those who think this is all absurd: Costumes and accessories are my passion in the game and I won't be judging your own passion.

Sat, 10/20/2012 - 22:03

Gnomzer

I do agree

I agree for everything, it's like destroying a one of a kind masterpiece. Unfortunately, they bought it fair and square, so they can do whatever they want with it.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 09:22

Lightyourfire

/e nods in approval

Completely agree with this, removing rare accessories is like burning the Treaty of Versailles (that's an obvious exaggeration, but you get my point)

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 09:47

Juances

I'll be usign your own words. To each their own. Destroying valuable accesories can be someones passsion. Trolls will be trolls.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 10:16

Lightyourfire

Trolls will be trolls

Using*

Someone's*

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 10:18

Darkbrady

tl;dr, but was that whole

tl;dr, but was that whole post whining about people removing their own acc's? I mean...srsly, who cares? It only affects them. If they spend a fortune paying for it because they want to put it on their gear...it's not as if they're gunna change their mind and sell it to you. They'll either be placed on their gear or destroyed; that's their choice what they do with their money. Hell, yesterday my guild spent literally several million buying up tens of thousands of confetti from the ah. Will you throw a fit if they just delete all that? Same thing, really...

And I disagree that everyone has a passion! I don't D:...I like just doin' everythin' I can do, I don't obsess over one thing :(

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 10:24

Lightyourfire

Your passion is having no passion

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 10:25

Darkbrady

But I'm not passionate about

But I'm not passionate about being passionless D:

I just kinda kick around and chill QQ

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 10:28

Lightyourfire

That's a passion, it's like mine. Just for that I'm gonna add you.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 10:40

Darkbrady

So the best way to be

So the best way to be passionless about something is to not even know it exists, because your passion develops even in the midst of being passionless about a game you're passionately passionless for?

This thread just blew my mind! D':

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 11:02

#10

Aureate

Processing Thoughts of ॐ

I suppose it's better than having a passion for fashion, at least.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 11:31

#11

Addy

Really, as soon as it's

Really, as soon as it's attached, it's gone from the economy anyway, unless they're really going to unbind it and resell it as part of the armor piece. If it's attached to a costume, it's permanently unsellable. I don't really see why it matters that much because it's not like some super-rich player is buying all of one item and destroying them or something. People are allowed to change their minds. Are you mad at people who had a limited accessory in their inventory, then for some reason stopped playing, too?

With that in mind, though, I don't equip an accessory until I am entirely sure I want it. ;w; I replaced a canteen once and felt silly for wasting the 15k. Never again!

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 12:17

#12

Vesperaldus

Just think twice

@Gnomzer: Ultimately yes, it is up to them what they do with their own accessories.

@Lightyourfire: I enjoyed your analogy. :)

@Juances: Yep, you're absolutely correct. And I cannot stop what people do and the purpose isn't to try, rather as I mentioned, it's to get people to think twice (and let out my recent rage).

@Darkbrady: I wasn't trying to come off as sounding like I was whining. But it's not just ANY accessory that I am specifically trying to get at here. It's the ones of value, especially, but not necessarily limited to, those of limited supply from promotions. For example: snowfall aura. These are in limited supply, no more can be obtained (unless they appear on featured auction, but that shouldn't be relied upon). The principle would be similar to petroluem. We're going to run out eventually, and when it's gone, then there's no way to undo that. Once all the snowfall auras have been destroyed, they will be extinct. But again, my main purpose in this to get people to think twice. And yes, it's their money and their choice. No disagreement on that.

@Addy: Gone from the economy, but this isn't in regards to the economy. The accessories are PRIMARILY there for what (speaking of directly in game related matters not Three Rings and profit)? So the rich can get richer? No, their purpose is to, just as the name suggests, ACCESSORIZE your gear. They are for looks. It matters in the long term (at least for promotional items) because we won't be seeing them (worn) once they are all distroyed. And yes, I did point out that people change their mind. We're all human here (I would assume) and that's what we do; we change our minds. As for the player who quits with stuff in their inventory... well that could be a whole different topic that I won't get into, but I do appreciate you personally for being absolutely sure before putting something on.

-For those who still don't understand my purpose: So long as you think twice, or at LEAST recall this thread before (maybe even right after), removing your valuable accessories, I have accomplished what I want, regardless of whether or not you take it off or not.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 13:03

#13

Darkbrady

To follow you petrol example,

To follow you petrol example, that's like hating on people who use fuel for anything less than dire emergencies. People are allowed to change their minds and shouldn't be punished for doing so, especially since they're the ones that have paid up for them and are losing out due to it. You're never losing out because of this, unless you happen to know that that specific player would have sold you it if it had not been attached, but the problem is that with limited items such as these, people tend not to be in a selling mood. Rather, they get the limited item either because they want to equip it or to sell it. If they're doing it for the profit, they won't destroy it and it won't affect you, and if they're doing it for personal use, they'll never sell it and, again, won't affect you.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 14:14

#14

Vesperaldus

Yes, people are allowed to change their mind...

Did I say anything about punishing? And I do believe I said at least twice that yes, people do change their minds. This isn't something I'm condemning. And using Lightyourfire's example, it wouldn't effect me if the Treaty of Versailles was burned. Why should I care? Unless I was all about the preservation of history, which can be likened to this situation as well. Here as well, I could not expect you to share this passion.

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 17:30

#15

Retequizzle

I'll shoot you an invite

I'll shoot you an invite before I remove my Divine Dragon Wings from my Skolver Coat. Or would you prefer my Shadow Valks from my Snarbolax Coat?

Sun, 10/21/2012 - 23:59

#16

Zenpai

Dragon wings don't even

Dragon wings don't even belong on any wolver coat to begin with, so please let me see you remove the divine ones from that skolver coat.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 00:32

#17

Derpules

Meh.

Most players only do this with stuff that can't be unbound or rebought, i.e. proto. If it's on something that can be unbound, they tend to unbind it, sell it, and get a new [whatever] to put the new acc on.

But hey, if they're so rich--or foolish--that they'd rather just destroy whatever it is, so what? It's not like it would've gone to me anyway.

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 01:18

#18

Zenpai

/e contemplates vendoring a

/e contemplates vendoring a Vog coat with a volcanic tail, volcanic valkyrie, and a flame aura on it... nah. He spent all of his money on the accessories. >.<

Mon, 10/22/2012 - 13:39

#19

Kamimatsu

The accessory is gone as soon

The accessory is gone as soon as it is attached, not removed.
I happen to have a passion for trading. Seeing the similarities between the game and the stock market. Making a lot out of a little.
I thrive off of your passion of accessories, or I will when I have the crowns to do so. You thrive off of mine. So I really can't fault anyone else's passion as long as it isn't hurting another player's experience. After all, without yours, mine would be dead.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 07:28

#20

Vesperaldus

@Retequizzle: Hm, well, at

@Retequizzle: Hm, well, at least you would be thinking twice, so mission accomplished.

@Derpules: I'll believe it when I see hard numbers. But I would certianly hope it would only be removed from something like that (but I do hope we eventually get to buy proto gear in the standard styles). I once bought someone glow eyes for her proto helm and she ended up replacing them with glasses. I was bothered by it for a few days, but it was ultimately her choice and I knew she couldn't buy a second regal tailed helm for the glasses. (This experience didn't bring me to the forums.)

@Kamimatsu: How can it really be gone if I can still see it? It's only gone from the market. I respect your point of view as a merchant, but profits and/or obtaining the accessory for myself or another individual is not my cause for complaint.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:20

#21

Autofire

Makes me wonder....

I don't think I should remove my Divine Dragon wings off my Dragon scale mail. It matches the GOS (Grey Owlite Shield) anyway. :P

I was debating over whether to remove them because Tersa said that it looked bad. But why does that matter? It matches my only shield! (Which I usually have equipped all the time)

If I could, though, I would take it off and sell it and use the money to get toasty instead.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 10:54

#22

Derpules

@Hollows

"I'll believe it when I see hard numbers."

Heh, and I'll believe that what you complain of is a common occurrence when I see hard numbers, too. ;)

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 17:12

#23

Vesperaldus

@Autofire: Well I hope you

@Autofire: Well I hope you keep them there and don't let someone like Tersa effect what you do or don't do. If you like it, then keep it. If you don't, then why is it that you don't anymore?

@Derpules: You could be right and I'm by no means saying youre wrong. In fact, if you had said that the least amount of players did that, I would still not believe it. You made a statement about the community as a whole without evidence backing your statement. I didn't say my complaint was a common occurence, though I do see how it could be infered. However I will say that I have seen it happen (or heard of it happen) more often than I would like, which is why I came here. If I speak of a minority of people, then so be it. But I still want people to think twice.

Tue, 10/23/2012 - 18:28

#24

Derpules

Eh?

I am making a claim as to what most players do, i.e. the general tendency amongst players replacing their accs. I think it's bizarre that you expect me to provide "evidence"--what, do you expect me to conduct a survey of all players? Or do you think I'm OOO and have access to in-game logs that would show me how many accs have been destroyed vs. how many armours with accs on them have been unbound for sale? Be reasonable. All I can offer is what I've observed to be the case. You can go look in the Bazaar forum for the many threads where people sold/are trying to sell their gear with wings or whatever on them, I guess. That's evidence of a kind.

Anyway, I still don't see what you're complaining about. Most rich players do want to get richer, you know. If they thought they could easily/conveniently unbind and sell, then create the new look they want, they would do that. But consider: what if the accs are on a triple-UV item, and they want the UVs and the accs on the same item? They could sell the item, but then they'd need to reacquire the UVs.

Or another scenario: the accs are on a costume, like a chap or tab. What would you suggest they do: buy a whole new chap/tab of the same colour to put the new acc on? That's wasteful unless you really want to keep using the old acc as well.

One last scenario: someone has three rare accs on one item, and decides she doesn't like one of them. What do you want her to do, make a brand new costume and reacquire two of those three rare accs (which may take months in the case of prismatics)? That may be even more wasteful from the POV of personal profit. Sometimes it just makes sense to overwrite an acc with something else.

Wed, 10/24/2012 - 11:37

#25

Vesperaldus

First of all, I'm not

First of all, I'm not expecting you to come up with proof. I'm sorry if that's how you interpreted what I said, but that's not what I was meaning at all. I was merely saying that I'm not going to believe you just because you have said it, especially if my own observations say otherwise (doesn't mean my own observations are correct either). And I'm not sure how I can make my complaint more obvious to you. You seem to be think I'm saying things that I'm not. People will do what they want and try to justify it how they want, but I did say from the start that I'm not trying to make anyone do anything differently... other than hopefully think twice before removing an expensive accessory. Other than that, there are many scenarios in which it would be "justifiable" to take it off. That doesn't mean I would like to see it happen. Same with a pet that needs to be put to sleep. It may need to be done, but that doesn't mean you want to do it... or see someone else do it.
Now I would rather not get into a heated discussion with you on the forums, so if you are going to misconstrue what I say again, I won't be responding here. We can this in game if you want to take this further.

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