I prefer it staying at 4k... That sounds reasonable for both sides.

4000-12000

That's how it was for a while back in the Preview Test... (Early Stages)
and I was just fine, I had no problem.

I feel... I don't have a freakin' clue, nor care all that much. I am at a net CE <-> Cr. exchange of 0... A month in w/ 3+ days playtime, I've used ~$15 worth of CE to enter dungeons, and am in full 4* gear, plus a 5* sword and a crapload of recipes -- all bought with crowns earned in dungeons.

I don't sweat the occasional energy-rez, or whether a particular run is going to give me MAX PROFITS, and I also haven't bothered to sell a single material. Worrying about those things is a PITA and I've got better things to do with my time. (This also means my 3+ days played is almost entirely hacking stuff up in dungeons instead of sitting in /trade... I love it.)

Any exchange I've made on the market, usually buying Cr. to afford a recipe, I later trade back as soon as I can afford. This ends up making me feel like I've earned my gear (admittedly, ignoring the fact that crafting costs CE), and simply paid for my play time like a standard MMO. Honestly, I really like how it all works out in the end--much more than I expected going in to it a month ago.

I find the game almost perfectly balanced playing this way. The amount of play-time and fun I've had with $15 far outstrips most $50 games I own. Unsurprisingly, it also lines up with most MMO subscription costs.

88,000 crowns

10k as long as I'm selling

I feel that the Rose Regalia event didn't go so well according to the ce prices.

@ bakaman, i was thinking about that myself. However, prices did drop back down to 3800 or so for the 1st time in a while the day the event launched. So it's hard to say.

I think as long as prices stay under about 4100 it's still relatively easy to advance/progress. Once prices get above 4100 i find it tougher to play, buy energy, buy recipes, get more crowns, buy enough energy to play and use recipes to craft...@ about 4500 it becomes actually difficult. Higher than that, and it actually effects my desire to play--i.e. it seems like less fun.

Anyhow, as someone above stated, a good workout for this is to make sure you have lots of friends/a guild so u can join dungeons at floor 14--or at least skip the 1st few floor of a run.

@everyone, is there anyhow to see how many energy transactions take place on a given day/hour/etc? I sometimes wonder if energy is just flying this way and that way, being bought and sold, or if the market is standing still with just a few transactions over 10 minutes or so.

@jeburk: I will bet that the devs can track that information, though for many reasons I doubt they would make it public. But I agree that it would be interesting to know.

I hope not. It's gone from 3800 to 4200 in 2 days, and there are still a lot of offers -w-;;

the only way is up.

the only reason to trade CE for crowns is impatience.
you can earn CR doin a tier 2-3 run, enough to rebuy what you used, and have left over CR to either let stockpile if u repeat, or to reinvest in more CE.
CR is just a temporary need, CE is a permanent need.

Once players reach a 5* set, or a few different 5*sets, what exactly do they need crown for. But theyll always need CE.

People who pay arent just going to want to watch their CE count drop, theyll wanna replenish the supply, even if they do sell a few on the market occasionally, or theyll be paying for more just to do more runs into the clockworks.

Free players will constantly be buying CE, or having to wait on mist.

Me myself, i payed for 25k+ CE, and i have no need to convert even 1 CE to CR. I know to play, my CE count will drop, and ill be adding to it as much as possible off the market.

I dont see a reason to trade my CE for CR when i can earn it on a tier. Main reason why i think this market will fail longterm is that you cant do anything without CE, you can do everything without trading for CR

While the Promo items may work, any CE i buy during another Promo ill be keeping, any profit i get from selling the Promo item ill be investing in more CE.

Maybe i should be making a new topic asking opinions of other people who have a decent amount of CE, and how often they trade for CR, and whether they think they will lessen how much they do in the forseeable future. Just seems the only currency that is worth anything is CE.

I agree with Leviathan that CE prices will rise to a point where it will be unplayable for new players.

I personally feel that people shouldn't spend more than an hour or 2 on their computers a day....so the 100 ME you get per day should be sufficient for you. The price of CE should be at 88,000 crowns (22 hrs * 4,000 = 88,000) in my opinion because crowns are worthless, while CE has worth. This, to me, should mean that purchasing a days "worth" of play time (as I said, an hour or 2 a day should be your limit anyway), than it should cost you a days equivalent gain in crowns. Can't afford it? Go outside, go to the park, play poker/basketball/kickball with your friends, get a life.

Just coming into this thread to say that I actually laughed at this. You should be a comedian.

And to provide some sort of contribution, the 4k range for CE has been quite comfortable. It's been hovering there for quite a while, so the market seems content with it aswell.

The price will settle where it's supposed to. This has been brought up in countless energy threads before, but here it is again:

Let's say 100CE costs 10000 crowns. Then I know that I can spend $2.45 for 750CE, sell that off for 75000 crowns, and have a field day buying up some of those high-end recipes I've been eyeing. I won't be the only person to notice this, and in fact there will probably be a good handful of players who will want to capitalize on this mega-high price and maybe even buy $10 or $50 worth of energy and sell it off. (At this price, $50 of CE would net you 2,000,000 crowns. How many Divine Avengers do you need?). This will flood the market and drive down the price.

Obviously it would be nice if there were some more crown sinks in the game, and the Suggestions forum is packed with ideas for them. (Best I've seen so far is having a vendor be able to change people's name or colour for a crown fee). But ultimately I think we're at the whim of economics, and that's not a bad thing.

With this being the 962nd energy thread, I think we should just conclude that the devs aren't morons and they won't allow their own game to be unplayable, will do what they can to gain and retain as many players as possible. Have a little faith y'all.

The crown cost of CE will continue to inflate as more people reach t3 (and T3 remains the "highest" tier).

Right now, with prices @ around 4200 cr, I can do a T2 run (without purchasing any recipes) and end up with a 2k+ profit (items not included) after buying 100 ce.

It's a slow climb, especially without interacting with the market (which, honestly, is full of scams and not very newbie-friendly).

I guess I'll just keep grinding Jelly King and hoping for avenger-UV procs. Haha.

Regardless of CE prices, the game will never be "unplayable." You'll always have your mist energy regen. It will just take substantially longer to afford the crowns to craft, purchase CE for crafting, and progress. Honestly, without the wiki, this game would be very intimidating to a new player who would probably waste (as I did) ce and crowns on dead-end recipes, or choose resistances that won't help substantially (piercing, anyone?). But if you have the least motivation, it's not a difficult game to figure out using the wiki.

Except gate creation. Is it even possible to create a custom gate with the Autosell feature enabled? And, on that note, is it even worth bothering?

The issue with player-controlled content is that it will be modified if it makes for a bad playing experience. I know that if the gates turn out terrible, the devs won't be all like "tough you guys had your chance" and let them stay that way for players to get pissed at. They will change them with "alloys" in order to make them more playable to keep us all happy. So you're only going to drop the crowns on gates if you reeeeaaaalllyyyy want a certain level to be a certain way and you're sure it will turn out that way after your investment. And if you're that involved in the game, you could probably just persuade your guild to strategically dump minerals in your favour and not waste the crowns.

So, yes, creation system is broke.

I think simple cosmetic crown sinks, like the ones already mentioned, would be a good start. Anything would be a good start, really.