Spiral Knights - Gremlins with tails- How a slight design change could potentially break the game- Now with 70% more art

Gremlins with tails- How a slight design change could potentially break the game- Now with 70% more art

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Wed, 01/02/2013 - 01:48

Awesomesock

I've been seeing a lot of artists adding tails to gremlins in their fanarts and I personally really like the idea.
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But, here I'm going to explain why that can't happen in-game. Just because I'm bored.

So, we have our gremlin model, as it is in SK. The gremlin model has about 300 polygons (Little triangles and shapes pieced together), with a tail of some sort it would have 30-60 polygons more. That's not really a problem. The problem would be the textures requireing an update and most importantly the rigs and animations not working at all.

Those would need complete redoing, which is to say- A complete waste of time for a developer, considering this is purely for the looks.

Yes, this might be a pointless thread, but I'm very, very bored. Besides, hey. The more you know.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 02:48

Ascis

Continuity Error

Error -- Gremlin Model Collapse -- Windows not Responding -- Close Window?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 03:38

Shue-Donnym

buh

so like
what if the tail was simply an attachment with a completely separate texture and animation?

SIDE NOTE: i in no way endorse or oppose adding tails to gremlins, just an idle thought

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 04:40

Awesomesock

Shue-Donnym

But how would that work?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 05:14

Shue-Donnym

mmph

Okay, now that I look at it, that doesn't seem like it'd work...
Also are you actually doing things with the comic you were taking a billion light years to update?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 05:31

Breaker-Xd

Knights with Divine Tails

^ exactly like that.

How do knights get tails. Do we all get a few polys stitched to our behinds? Tails are an addition, similar to swords and shields. Giving a gremlin a tail is no harder than giving him an axe.

Consider winterfest hats, which basically every mob in the game had. Now turn that hat gremlin colored and stick it on his behind. There's your damn tail.

I don't really care if Gremlins get tails or not, I just like destroying your faulty logic.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 08:36

Awesomesock

@Breaker-Xd My face when "I

@Breaker-Xd
My face when "I just like destroying your faulty logic."
That's some theory you got there. If that's such a good idea, then why isn't Demos' backpack and their goggles a separate model?

5/10 Tone down the attitude. Just saying. .u.

@Shue-Donnym
You must have had me confused with someone else I don't recall making a comic series I would update regurally hur hur hur.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 09:38

Tevokkia

Hmmm ...

I think that the tails would work either like the streaming end of the Ghostmane Stalker's scarves, which are separate parts tacked onto the finished model, or like wolver/cat tails on the knights, which are separate models completely.

My opinion is that they've got little bitty tails that fit in their pants, though. Kinda' like a small rabbit tail.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:06

Hexlash

Really...

Gremlins have pants....? Welp, it's reassuring I do not unconsciously pay additional care to what is located in the nether regions of random creations that attempt to kill me. But I do have to say, those 2* pics, area absolutely adorable. :3

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 11:12

Yttriu

Interesting....

We can squander our time speaking of models and such, but there is a much simpler explanation that fits.

Gremlins do have tails. They simply tuck them into their uniforms when in battle for precaution. Therefore, we knights never see them.

Did I just blow your minds or what?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:36

#10

Tevokkia

@Yttriu

That's what I said! Gremlin tails are little and can fit!

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 13:38

#11

Awesomesock

@Yttriu

It is quite a popular explanation, but wouldn't that be a little uncomfortable?

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:05

#12

Tevokkia

@Fox

It would be if they were big fluffies like Arkalpha's or kangaroo-ish like Amaya's. XD

Maybe they come in all sizes but we only see the guys with little tails because the big ones can be a hazard.

Beware explanatory stupidity

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:34

#13

Amayawolf

Tev

That is the best explanation as to why we don't see gremlins with tails XD
I still snicker at the the though of kangaroo gremlins XD I liek roo tails :3

I luff dis thread >w<

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:36

#14

Yttriu

Oh XD

Whoops. Sorry, Tev.

@Fox Even if they were large and fluffy, it can't be any more uncomfortable than getting it cut off by a Faust. If I were a gremlin, I would take my chances.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:41

#15

Mzculet

Swift you still forgot to

Swift you still forgot to change the "tier 3" to "Now recruiting all tier!"
xP

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:41

#16

Mzculet

Swift you still forgot to

Swift you still forgot to change the "tier 3" to "Now recruiting all tier!"
xP

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 14:57

#17

Psychodestroyer

Chill it Breaker, there's no reason to start a fight. 'Faulty Logic' doesn't come to mind at all in this thread.

@Tev: But...but...

@Amayawolf: For some reason, I just had a flashback of Gohan chasing that Dinosaur around to cut off slices of it's tail to eat, followed by a scenario which is a combination of that and Gremlins.

...

That was weird o.o

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:11

#18

Breaker-Xd

Kay psych
Sorry for snappy tone; it was past midnight when I wrote that

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:12

#19

Awesomesock

@Tevokkia Many laughs were

@Tevokkia
Many laughs were had. Kind of makes sense, too ;v;

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 15:21

#20

Awesomesock

@Breaker

Aw, it's okay. .u.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:02

#21

Axonio

I have arrived to point out that I just copyrighted small tails for gremlins because it's my idea do not steal.

I made a complex image illustrating how the idea is mine DONUS TEAL

http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww144/Axon-Griegor/buttdevastated-1.jpg

original contet

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:16

#22

Amayawolf

ow0 Gremlin tail accessory for gremlins?

@Awesomesock: I really luff dis thread >w<

@Psycho: I feel sorry for the gremlin, getting his tail docked and eaten X3
@Axonio: I good laugh out of that I'll be sure to credit you when I finish my gremlin ref sheet, there will be a section on types of tails XD

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:27

#23

Awesomesock

About those tails... /curel

About those tails...
/curel laugh

I regret nothing

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 16:52

#24

Tevokkia

lol, Fox. <3

Wandering slightly off topic (for those of you not on Tumblr), Amaya had requested the rest of the song:

I have a tiny tail, it fits in my pants,
so I do a little shake and I do a little dance.
My tail is not in danger from knight’s swords and other stuuuuuuuuuuff,
for a soldier, it’s convenient to be without all that fluff!

Edit: Here. Only because I love you people am I willing to sacrifice my dignity like this.

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 17:20

#25

Psychodestroyer

@Tev: More off topic, if that was your voice, you have a really cute voice o///o

Also, cute poem/song/thing. Idk, sometimes I get confused which is what.

@Axonio: Ohvog, that made me remember that 'Talisman of Twisted Fate' suggestion that other guy made...

Baka, trying to copyright his suggestion, IN the suggestions forum.

He was totally seerus too. o.o

Wed, 01/02/2013 - 18:13

#26

Amayawolf

8D Thanks Tev!

-runs around singing-
@Awesomesock: oh noes, gremy's tail is being violated D:
@Psycho: copyrighted monster tails :D

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 04:58

#27

Awesomesock

Hur hur hur

Wow I made an actual legitimate song about tails
There is a high chance I am going to regret this dearly.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 05:15

#28

Breaker-Xd

+9001 for the cute songs
O_e will never look at gremlins the same way again

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 05:32

#29

Shue-Donnym

if you bumbling incompetents mess up a pun i will end you

I don't mean to throw a wrench in the machine, but I believe this is spiraling out of control. We should turn tail and run.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 05:36

#30

Tevokkia

O.o

Oh Vog, I totally lost it.

.... is that actually my voice sample in that song?!

Haha, good job on that. I was expecting more of a jingle than a techno beat. XD

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 05:47

#31

Awesomesock

@Tev

I actually did sample your voice, although this is me singing. I used your voice for backing chorus. .w.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 06:05

#32

Tevokkia

Oy vey. I think this whole thing is getting out of hand ... er .... paw.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 06:30

#33

Awesomesock

Treasure Vault- The only

Treasure Vault- The only place where rant threads turn into art expos

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 07:00

#34

Shue-Donnym

i refuse to pay child support

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 07:26

#35

Tevokkia

...

What am I even doing? I no longer have any idea.

(Hey Plad ... how do you dispense with the subject line?)

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 07:29

#36

Shue-Donnym

Defeat the final boss and complete the entire storyline on Extreme difficulty.

You could also type 0 in the subject line, but that's for n00bs.

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 14:40

#37

Nyuko

WOOP WOOP!

WOOP WOOP!
PULL OVER THAT TAIL TOO FLUFF!

(but it's true. i think ax was the first guy i met to ever came up with the tails since the day he noticed that gremlins drop bushy tails when defeated)

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 22:19

#38

Hexlash

Art...?

What a world, 70% of the 70% moar art is of near naked gremlin rears..... o.O

EDIT: Wait, this thread WAS about how a bunch of little polygons could crash the game because the coding wouldn't be able to handle the texture provided by the addition of a bunch moar polygons... whhhaaaat?

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 23:22

#39

Tevokkia

@Hexlash

There are 13 gremlins in this thread. Only two of them are in their underwear, which makes roughly 15%. If you don't count the gremlins in the original post, that's still only 2 out of 9, which is about 22%.

*runs off before she is unable to give in to the urge to make it into a genuine 70%*

Thu, 01/03/2013 - 23:45

#40

Hexlash

O_O

You.... counted? >_>"

Well, considering that most of the pics are focusing on tails, then I would theoretically presume to pay more conscious attention to that area, as it is the subject of the photo, and being traumatically scared off before I can visually increase the capacity of comprehending those pictures anymore, I would instinctively make a remark as to how queer it is to see the opposing ends of anthropomorphic fictional canine like creatures with enhanced knowledge.... >.>

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 00:29

#41

Psychodestroyer

"*runs off before she is unable to give in to the urge to make it into a genuine 70%*"

I hate to be the grammar Nazi, but I think you mean 'unable to resist the urge to' or 'gives in to the urge to'.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 01:48

#42

Awesomesock

@Tev
Since little silly songs count as art kinda, it would be actually 11 entities about gremlins and their bottoms.

@Hexlash
The whole point of this thread was explaning how difficult it is to tinker with a model that's already rigged, animated and textured.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 02:16

#43

Xenonguard

Wait... Pictures of gremlins in their underwear?!

I honestly never thought I'd see Rule 34 in Spiral Knights until now.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 02:19

#44

Shue-Donnym

Technically, it's not really r34 unless said content qualifies as erotic.

...Does it?

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 02:26

#45

Psychodestroyer

"I'd see Rule 34 in Spiral Knights until now."

There was a thread about that somewhere...

I don't doubt though that if you googled 'Spiral Knights rule 34' you'd find something. It's google, it's R34; there are no exceptions, as the saying goes.

Now back on topic before this becomes another R34 discussion thread.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 02:36

#46

Shue-Donnym

Warning: SK R34 will destroy your life. Detonate the Tsar Bomba before it's too late.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 03:17

#47

Thunderbog

I SAID I WILL SING THE GREMLIN TAIL SONG JUST DON'T DERAIL THE THREAD INTO SEERUS'S MALE ORGANS IN SOMEONE'S BUTT!

(oh my god)

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 03:42

#48

Shue-Donnym

I love how Seerus just pops up out of nowhere into the current topic.
Also try not to explicitly mention anyone's dongus. I like that word. Dongus. Hee hee.

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 06:10

#49

Infernus-Dragneel

I say rule 34S that!

Yeah... I was searching for SK gremlin when I... I... CANNOT UNSEE THE HORROR

http://25.media.tumblr.com/53f3bc7b28a4b18fe840820e06b6a456/tumblr_mfxpe...

Fri, 01/04/2013 - 06:19

#50

Tevokkia

@Psycho: Yeah, you're right. XD It was late and I was tired.

@Plad: We both know that there's a reason for that.

@Thunder: If you don't want it in the topic, don't bring it up. XD

@Fox: But no where in the songs does it mention that the gremlin's bottom is nearly naked, which was specifically part of Hex's criteria

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