Spiral Knights - So guys.

So guys.

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Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:46

cheeserito

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"Our next update will make 'Basil invites' obsolete. Might want to get out of the habit of doing those now!" -nick

How does this make you feel?

Unless it's the Auction House he's referring to, I'm pretty upset. So right now, I have mixed feelings. Either it's the Auction House being implemented, therefore making ports "obsolete" or they're making terminals locked.

If it's the former, I won't care, as long as I can still invite people to Basil. If it's the latter, I'm going be one unhappy camper.

I don't even care about profits. Getting rid of Basil invites as a whole is a bad idea in my eyes, because guilds and friends rely on them.

And recipes aside, a lot of people have the opportunity to skip the less profitable levels of a tier (and save their 30-40 energy) with Basil ports (a huge reason why guilds and friends rely on them).

Not that anyone actually cares what I think, because I'm just a piece of scum with nothing nice to say~

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 14:55

Sunflash

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'obsolete' does not equal 'remove' or whatever. Sounds like he's saying "It won't be worth the extra cost as opposed to what we're putting in next."

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:35

culture

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I think Sunflash is right,

I think Sunflash is right, they should be adding something to make paying a fee to Basil pointless. Not sure how they'll address that though.

Teleporting for a fee directly to Basil is just using a profitable game mechanic to circumvent the intended progress through a tier. All the recipes aren't available from Vatel precisely because you are supposed to grind through 3-4 depths to see if Basil just happens to have what you are looking for. Or rely on friends/guildmates to let you know when they spot your recipe (hopefully without charging you 5k CR for an invite, depends on the friends, I guess...)

I think that design decision was intentional and maybe a bit silly :) On one hand, it does provide a sense of delight when he finally has that recipe you are looking for and it does give you a reason to grind the first half of a tier over and over. On the other hand, it is usually disappointing. The benefits do not outweigh the annoyance which results in the rampant secondary market for teleports.

There is that broken elevator on the west side of the terminals, hmmm, maybe it'll finally have a use.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 15:50

Fenix-Stryk

As long as I can keep doing

As long as I can keep doing Jelly runs by rolling the dice, getting lucky with a party that's at 11, 12 or even 14, then going solo and clearing it for big money... well, I just hope they don't somehow "change" that, because that's a fundamental way for me to stay ahead of Crown:CE exchange prices.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 16:01

cheeserito

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@Sunflash: I never said it

@Sunflash: I never said it did outright. I said it could mean they're locking it. As a possibility. It could also be that with the implementation of the Auction House, all the recipes ever will be available in Haven, making the Basil ports obsolete. That he said "Get out of the habit now!" makes it seem like there's a possibility that they're removing the ability.

In fact, it's more than likely just the Auction House he's referring to with that, but the idea that it could potentially be a locking of the floor makes me upset. Considering a million and one people have suggested they lock that floor (and the devs do like to put things in that people suggest), because the people suggesting this are really selfish and refuse to think things through from all angles. Their arguments 9/10 times are "I'm not able to sell my recipes because I'm intimidated by people in /2 selling Basil ports!" or "I think it's more legitimate to buy a recipe and then resell it for a ridiculous mark up! It's not fair that people offer ports to Basil for cheaper than my mark up!" or other things along those lines.

@ culture: Vatel doesn't sell anything above like, 2star anyway. But grinding the first 3-4 levels of a tier to get a stab at getting a recipe you want is going to be obsolete once the Auction House goes live, anyway.

And I really want to know how many people have the gall to sell Basil ports for 5k, because everyone always brings up that people are charging 5k for these. When I was selling ports, I didn't go above 3k, because that's direct competition with recipe resellers. Selling a port for 5k+ is just dumb, in my book. In fact, most of the people that got invited by me only paid 1k. And I've seen them advertised for 5k very, very rarely. It's usually around 2-3k, and I've seen people go as low as free.

And charging friends/guildies for invites is just cruel. Unless they want to give you a finder's fee, then that's on them~

@FenixStryk: I don't join random parties. O: Too risky, the way I see it (I'm not much of a gamblin' man). Edit: Derp derp, I don't think they'll get rid of that feature though. (I thought that I posted this initially, but I must've accidentally deleted it somehow).

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 17:59

RapBreon

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I agree with Fenix, as long

I agree with Fenix, as long as you can pre or after Basil I won't mind. However people working for their Basil recipes I have no problem with either.

@Cheese, you still bitter about that? Jeeeze. Well at least you're changing :D

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 18:46

Feynt

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I'd prefer to be able to warp

I'd prefer to be able to warp to Basil if need be and buy stuff from him, but having access to a better way of purchasing recipes would be nice.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 19:10

Raul

Hopefully they don't flat out

Hopefully they don't flat out lock it at the terminal, it's nice to join a random party and end up there, or see that my friends are there and add myself to see if that bastard has what I'm looking for.

I never really liked people selling ports to basil in the first place, so I'm glad they are doing something about it. It over flooded the market with recipes and ruined the prices on them.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 19:13

King-Tinkinzar

Well the Treasure Room is

Well the Treasure Room is locked...

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 21:16

Raul

As it should be.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 21:36

#10

Diggidy

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I hope they lock the floor

I think the system was better when folks were just selling recipes, rather than recipe invites. Recipe invites really turn the game into a job, where two players are forced to sit there and directly convert their time into crowns. It's the cheapest version of recipe selling, since you're essentially doing the same thing as an ordinary recipe seller but with a large inventory and infinite supply; this makes it very difficult to compete with.

If the floor were locked, guilds/friends could still help eachother get recipes by exchanging them through mail. It would assumably increase the rarity and cost of recipes though, which I think the game would benefit from. As it is now, within an hour I can usually get any recipe I want for less than 5k crowns, and I don't believe getting exactly what you want all the time is the ideal format for a game like this.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 21:40

#11

Shoebox

I think what they're going to

I think what they're going to do is do the same thing they did to the town vendors and instance him per player.

That seems like the easiest way to circumvent Basil ports for specific recipes and also increase the chances of getting certain recipes by grouping.

Mon, 05/16/2011 - 21:45

#12

Negimasonic

Selling Basil rerolls, just

Selling Basil rerolls, just 500 :D

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 00:23

#13

Tive

The system was pretty

The system was pretty terrible when people were only selling recipes as most people lacked the cash to do it with propper profit margins of 10-15%. And the people who had the cash would rather do something else than stand around trying to sell recipes.
So an auction house could actually improve things.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:52

#14

Syor

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Actually,

nothing

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 02:23

#15

Trias

Why?

"And recipes aside, a lot of people have the opportunity to skip the less profitable levels of a tier (and save their 30-40 energy) with Basil ports (a huge reason why guilds and friends rely on them)."

Why would anybody port to terminals to skip levels. That is just a waste of 10 energy. If you are porting to skip levels, it is much smarter to do so on the floor AFTER the terminal. It has the additional benefit of knowing what level you are going to get (i.e. pre JK arena).

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 03:56

#16

Tive

What trias said. I can

What trias said. I can confirm that joining a basil stage from haven costs 10 energy.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:13

#17

cheeserito

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How is it a waste of 10

How is it a waste of 10 energy? You skip 3-4 levels (even at the expense of 10 energy, you're still saving 20-30 energy), and you get the added benefit of a shot at recipes you want. If they make it so that it's instanced, then you have 3x or 4x the chance of getting the recipe you want. :|

So basically, if they instance it, it's only going to flood the market with more recipes. And people would be selling "chances" rather than certainties. And then you could go solo, and invite more people to get better chances of getting the recipes you want.

If you don't want any recipes, then request an invite at the start of the next level. But being on a Basil port allows the playing member to be like "/g Doing a jelly run, already at Basil terminal. Anyone want x, y, or z recipe?" (Other guild members): "Nope, we're good. But if you could take Guild member A, and Guild member B with you, it'd be fantastic." (Playing member): "All right, I'll send the invite on the next floor then." without having to wait around to start an arena, or to move forward in a level only to get the request "Hey can I join?" while you're at the end of the level.

I wouldn't want to use the mailing system to buy recipes, though. "Oh yeh, can you send me that recipe? I'll give you the crowns through the mailing system" which, if you're nice, adds 200 crowns to the cost of the recipe. And it becomes a huge problem when multiple persons want the same recipe.

I don't fully understand how ports flooded the market with recipes though. As usually people were getting recipes for themselves, not to resell. And if you're reselling them, then shame on you for contradicting yourself.

Also, I like ports. I've purchased many to get recipes that I had been looking for ever for. Especially considering how rare Tier2 Basil likes to sell 4star gear, and that's the only place you can get it when you're not Tier3 ready (aside from Kozma, but who really wants her gear anyway; also, the only other ways would be to buy a cheap Basil port or buy a ridiculously marked up recipe).

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:22

#18

Deslare

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If people started selling

If people started selling Recipe Chances from Basil the price would definitely have to be lower. Like someone said, 500 for a shot at Basil/skip the first half.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:46

#19

Syor

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Anyway

"Our next update will make 'Basil invites' obsolete. Might want to get out of the habit of doing those now!" -nick

Anyway, for those whom are curious and didn't know where the message came from, it's http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/8346#comment-44139

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 08:59

#20

Senshi

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More importantly,

Nick Popovich:
Oh cluttered trade channel, this may be our last night together. Sorry, but I won't miss you. I've auctually met someone else.

http://twitter.com/NickPopovich

< /thread >

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:44

#21

Green-Lantern

^ Sweeeeeet! Auction house

^ Sweeeeeet! Auction house confirmed for either later today or tomorrow. Can't wait... great job OOO

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 09:57

#22

Eeks

I wonder what the market

I wonder what the market value on recipes is going to be. This will be nice for me to get rid of some recipes I accidentally bought :)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:10

#23

Senshi

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I predict...

With undercutting, the market price for recipes will within a week be 251, 1001, 5501, 15001, and 45001.
(okay, probably not, but it will be lower than now.)

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 10:14

#24

Tive

It's probably not going to

It's probably not going to get lower than 47500 for a 5*
I'd expect it to actually rise above that considering it'll involve losing liquidity and people will be too lazy to still sell d23 basils for 2k.

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 12:04

#25

cheeserito

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< /thread > Obviously not,

< /thread >

Obviously not, considering you still posted in it. :| And there's still discussion going on, and speculation.

But based on that, he's referring to the auction house, and all my fears of a locked Basil floor have been quelled. I predict recipes to be worthless by the end of the week. Why buy a recipe, when you can buy a pre-made piece of gear for grossly under the price of a recipe?

Tue, 05/17/2011 - 12:06

#26

Feynt

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"auctually" I see what you

"auctually"

I see what you did there.

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So guys.