Is this about acheron vs GF?

Well... GF does have a wider arc, a heavy second hit, and a chance to curse.

Adding curse to first hit would probably even it up. Although I think nerfing brandishes as a whole and bringing acheron back down might work better.

Is the buff that much? I haven't looked.

Bringing in DVS doesn't really help your case since DVS is just terrible in general, not specific to acheron.

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Nvm I figured it out.
The fadoodle OOO? Are you people just that against making this game anything other then a costume simulator? Do you want this game to start dieing?

Pages and pages of suggestions and complaints about lack of balance and they only unbalance it further.

cause the poison sword is an event sword. which means, that the owner of future acherons will be rip-offed when this comes out again.

The biggest loser of this event? Graviton Vortex.

Aiden is good at math hire him.
And @^ that would be terrible. No.

You do realize that the buff makes more swords even useless, let's do some Math here:

Let's compare old Acheron to all other weapons in the game:

Levaithan Blade does 148-184/246 (148 being normal hits, 184 being finisher/246 being charge) at the Start of Strata 5
The Brandish Line does 150-209/349
Barbarous Thorn Blade does 148-184/276-73
Sudaruska/Triglav does 184-225/293-320
Dread Venom Striker does 83-46/111 (DPS is decently high so let's double this to 166-92/222)

So as you can see, Old Acheron does more damage than both a Levaithan Blade and a Barbarous thorn Blade against neutral targets. The old Acheron Charge does 103 more damage than Leviathan Blade and 73 more damage than Barbarous Thorn Blade. However, Barbarous Thorn Blade had a higher DPS than Acheron.

Now, let's compare these current numbers to the newly buffed Acheron:

Acheron does 184-247/389
The Brandish Line does 150-209/349
Levaithan Blade does 148-184/246
Barbarous Thorn Blade does 148-184/276-73
Sudaruska/Triglav does 184-225/293-320
Dread Venom Striker does 83-46/111|166-92/222

Now see the problem here? Acheron is out-damaging everything else, not including the Gran Faust and Divine Avenger. In fact, an effective Barbarous Thorn Blade on Beasts does 193-229/312-123. Compared to a neutral Acheron which has only a slightly less DPS than Barbarous Thorn Blade, the difference in damage is -9 for the first two hits, and +18 for the finisher. Even the charge has much higher damage than Barbarous Thorn Blade, a huge +77 difference in damage.

There's no reason why Acheron should be able to out-damage an effective Weapon. It's seriously unbelievable. The fact that it's more effective against Beasts compared to both Final Flourish AND Barbarous Thorn Blade, it's just really awful.

From a full combo perspective:
Dread Venom Striker/Wild Hunting Blade does 645 (Five hit combo)
Acheron does 615 Damage from a full combo (Three hit combo)
Sudaruska/Triglav does 593 (Two hit combo)
The Brandish Line does 509 (Three hit combo)
Levaithan Blade and Barbarous Thorn Blade does 480 (three hit combo)
Divine Avenger/Gran Faust does 431 (two hit combo)

Although Dread and Wild are both at the time, by the time you finish their combo, you could have done an additional combo from all other weapons. Same applies to Sudaruska and Triglav.

Hey look: Acheron = Blitz.

Basic PvE player: Meh.

Hardcore PvP #(some idiotic modern fad like Yolo or something): OMG, OOO, YOU'RE DUMB. THIS WEAPON IS TOO OP. RANT. RANT. RANT. LRN 2 BALUNS.

Then what's the downside?

Clarifying what Zeddy said: if one weapon is better than any other weapon, then that is the "best" way to play. If each weapon was balanced reasonably against eachother, by damage, utility, safety, etc. then there are multiple best ways to play.

Nope. Your whole argument collapses because Acheron does decent damage to shadow resistant enemies, roughly about the same as a Cold Iron Vanquisher
Not only does this prove that every normal and shadow damage sword is left in the dust, but so are piercing and elemental swords 83% of the time (with the exception of the other Brandish lines)

You don't even have to "go in", ever heard of a charge attack?

Imagine a Pokemon game where there was only Fire, Steel, Bug, Grass, Ice and Thunder families. In each family, there's 20 pokemon, except fire, which there is only one. You're pretty much saying that that one fire pokemon is not overpowered because Thunder is not weak to it.

WELL, if it's more than cold iron, then those stats must be more than what meets the eye.
I don't really see why they buffed it. The whole "Slightly buffed Acheron" seemed pretty random to me.

I bet that OOO will blindly ignore this thread.

A shadow damage weapon outdamages a normal weapon against Undead and Fiends. And that "normal damage weapon" is "MADE FOR THE sInGuLaR PURPOSE OF HUNTING DOWN AND DESTROYING THE UNDEAD."!

>>>>>>>>>>>>Tell me, how BLING must you be to BUFF a Brandish? I don't get it.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'd wait the Sword update (im sure there will be one) before classifying the other swords useless.

I'd like to refer you to this thread...

The Acheron I think was buffed because it does/did the same damage as its elemental counter-parts. Compare a Furious Flamberge with a Final Flourish in terms of damage and the difference is roughly equal to the new Acheron buff.

I personally think it's change going the wrong way. The Acheron's damage was perfectly fine before. It's the Brandishes' charge that needs changing. The normal swings were fine in my eyes. If you go back to before the charge got changed, most people were avid Sealed Sword users.

The Acheron was actually only buffed because the Obsidian Edge would have made Acheron completely pointless. Here's an example:

Let's say four Valiances were created to equal to the Brandishes and the current Normal-only damage was removed:

There is a Fire one that deals pure Elemental Damage. Let's call this Valiance F.
There is an Ice one that deals pure Elemental Damage. Let's call this Valiance I.
There is a Shock one that deals pure Elemental Damage. Let's call this Valiance E.
There is a Shadow one that deals pure Shadow Damage. Let's call this Valiance S.

They all do the same damage. There is absolutely no difference between the four damage-wise.

Now let's say OOO introduced a new weapon:

A Valiance that inflicts Poison and deals pure Shadow Damage that does the same damage as all the current ones. Called Valiance P.

What's the problem here?

Valiance P outclasses Valiance S, it not only does the same amount of Shadow Damage, but inflicts Poison too. Meaning that there is absolutely no reason to use Valiance S.

So let's say OOO buffs Valiance S. to Iron Slug damage:

Everything else: 108 Damage on Strata 6 against Neutral Targets.
Valiance S: 151 Damage on Strata 6 against Neutral Targets.

Now this may seem fine and dandy, right? Everyone's happy, right? WRONG.

Now, Valiance S not only outclasses all the other Valiance's in damage, but it outclasses both Callahan AND Iron Slug: Two decently strong guns. Valiance S provides not only a higher DPS, but you can freely move to boot along with a 3-hit shot. The only thing that Callahan has against Valiance S is Stun, which doesn't really mean squat since you're outputting so much damage, that by the time you get Stun on a single target, you've already killed three targets with Valiance S.

And this is why when you add weapons into a game, you need to think about all the other weapons in the game.

I think OOO is not lazy, but their decision making process is....well, lets not go there.

Because of this, one must think like an OOO employee.

"How now balance?"

The step, obviously, is to buff all armor and other weapons to match Acheron's DPS and make it even . Now make the buff to all armor and weapons slightly better so Acheron does less damage than now, same damage as before. Make everything else so that the normal brandishes do less damage than before. So now it is identical to a nerf of Acheron alone.

"But to now new weapon how work poison shadow evenly?"

Well, the poison brandish would be same as other brandishes. With OOO logic, buffing all armor and guns and bombs and other swords to rise up to Acheron's level is the obvious way to go. I mean, buffing all the other weapons in the game is clearly easier than nerfing one. Obviously

Put Achreon to its original damage and nerf the other 4 brandishes' damage by about 10%. Now.