Title for reference.
Is the radiant fire crystal drought Shadow Keys 2.0?
Do, 11/07/2013 - 18:24
Do, 11/07/2013 - 19:11
#2
Oh, man, was that a terrible time..
Do, 11/07/2013 - 20:15
#3
I'm not reminded of anything.
I'm not reminded of anything. I remember Shadow Keys coming out and it being a bit controversial, but since most of the game's content was still free and nothing super-important was on the other end of that paywall (OCH counts more, in my book!), I wasn't even mad. As I see it:
Shadow Keys -> New premium but ultimately optional content
Radiant drought -> Unreasonably paywalling previously free and standard-issue upgrades
So what were you referring to?
Do, 11/07/2013 - 20:30
#4
He's referring to the fact that Shadow Keys were only obtainable through Iron Lockboxes, which needed Silver Keys to open, leading them to be very rare, similar to how Radiant Fire Crystals are now.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 06:58
#5
Shadow Key Crisis wasn't the first, either
The Shadow Key Crisis was Crafting Crisis 2.0. The Crafting Crisis happened around May 2011, when crafting costs were raised and items became bound upon upgrading. The rage over that move was crazy.
The forums are in a perpetual state of self-imposed crisis. You can't take it too seriously.
I'm not saying that Three Rings does everything perfectly, or that complaints on the forums do no good at all. But vote with your money and your playing time, and Three Rings will figure out what you want to pay for and what builds a good community, and it'll work out.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 07:55
#6
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@Bopp - 'self-imposed'? I didn't know the community agreed on this radiant crystal drought and decided to inflict it upon ourselves.
Anyways, I don't like the idea of having to quit a game I like to 'send a message' to improve the game.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 08:38
#7
"self-imposed"
I was not saying that the drought is self-imposed. The panic is self-imposed, in that players can choose whether to panic over the drought or not.
Without making light of frustration over 5-star fire crystals (the forging requirements do seem extreme to me), I'm just pointing out this: No matter how smooth the game is, and how rapidly people can progress, they will always want to progress faster and more easily. When energy was at 9,000, people were frustrated by the price. They wanted it to be 7,000. But when energy was at 7,000, people were frustrated by the price, wanting it to be 6,000. And when energy was at 6,000, people were frustrated, wanting it to be 5,000.
It's okay to complain on the forums. Some amount of complaining is useful feedback to Three Rings. The complainers whom I respect most are those who make a serious attempt to come up with a reasonable solution (in terms of game design and Three Rings' business) rather than just seeking instant gratification.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 10:07
#8
my 2 cents
The Radiant drought is probably just a phase before the New T3 boss comes in or the new Arcade revamp... or the new PvE Challenge mode... (at least I want to believe)
I doubt they will leave the drop at 0-15 Radiant per FSC when it takes 109 to up from 9 to 10...
On a side note: You can make 70 Radiant per SL FSC.... at 0-2 spark per SL FSC it's... still bad but faster to gather at least (2 hours for 70 radiant is not productive in my book)
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 10:54
#9
In my opinion
OOO Will nearly always fix any problem. I've found this to be true while playing the game for a few years as I have. Sure, it may not be done in a week, but hey, at least it'll get done eventually. These people work pretty hard, so it's best not to rush them. Attempt to enjoy the game for what it is, not complain over every bug/feature.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 11:55
#10
Hello. I made a statement on the matter earlier on these forums. You can find it here:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/92215#comment-820136
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 12:48
#11
@Lytthe
Sometimes "eventually" becomes a silly idea to fall back on when it's been months.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 13:05
#12
I hope not.
But frankly, I can care less if this is intended.
I will NOT pay 800 energy for 50 radiants. I REFUSE.
I will grind 4 per level until I have enough to heat what I want.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 19:16
#13
-.-
Well...I have 500+ radiants so I'm not worried about that...wat I want is shinings...why am I still getting radiants in vana?
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 20:10
#14
Only 500? Poor soul...
You need 500 to heat 1 weapon to level 10, if I am not mistaken, using 100%. Am I? I never bothered checking costs for my Combuster...
ZEDDY!!!
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 20:13
#15
something like that
Yeah, it's something like that. 500 won't get you more than one or maybe two items heated.
Fr, 11/08/2013 - 20:22
#16
it's 453 total for a 5* item according to the wiki (assuming you always pick the 100% chance and don't get double level ups)
Sa, 11/09/2013 - 01:15
#17
WHY?!
AM I THE ONLY ONE WITH ONLY 2 RADIANTS?! I CAN'T EVEN HEAT 1 LEVEL OF ANYTHING!!!!!!!
I WANT THIS FIXED NOW :(
sorry for caps I needed to XD
Sa, 11/09/2013 - 07:09
#18
I've got 2.6k radiants at the moment. It's going to take me forever to get the advanced and elite orbs to even start crafting the 5* items, so I'm not very worried about it yet.
Sa, 11/09/2013 - 08:56
#19
Ha Noob i have 3 XD
Ha Noob i have 3 XD
Sa, 11/09/2013 - 10:37
#20
It seems that events are crystal farming seasons.
I had around 2k radiants before the drought hit.
I had around 1k when the obsidian event came about.
Now I have 11 radiants, and 2k shining.
The gunner update is going to be harsh.
Sa, 11/09/2013 - 10:38
#21
@Zeddy
Running FSC takes >30 minutes and will get you crowns and Eternal Orbs (roughly 8500 and 1/3 per run), plus an average of 5 radiants. Running JK/RT takes >10 minutes will get you a fewer number of crowns and Advanced/Elite Orbs (roughly 2500 and 1/4 per run). Your 2.6K radiants will last 5 complete equips. Assume energy prices are 8000 crowns/100en.
To illustrate just how much bigger the Radiant problem is--for me and for you--run the numbers for making 5 orbs' worth of equips with your radiants:
Farming orbs without spending crowns/energy: 30 orbs x 4 runs/orb x 15 min/run = 30 hours of JK/RT (and 300K cr netted on the side, which will probably be spent for any orbs needed on one side or the other)
Farming JK/RT with spending crowns/energy: 48000 cr = enough energy for 6 orbs (3 adv/elite orb pairs)--or 8000 cr/orb; 1/(2500/8000 + 1/4) = 1.78 runs/orb
30 orbs x 1.78 runs/orb x 15 min/run = 13.3 hours of JK/RT (probably round up to 14-15 hours due to incomplete ability to buy orb packages)
Farming FSC for the greater crowns/energy: 30 orbs x .94 runs/orb x 40 min/run = 18.8 hours of FSC (probably more like 19 hours)--gaining close to 150 radiants and about 9 Eternal Orbs in the process
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Now, to farm the number of radiants to heat 5 equips, for someone like me who doesn't have them: Add 56000 cr as the cost for 50 radiants. You need 2265 radiants (453 x 5) and 8500/(56000/50)+5 = 12.58 radiants per run. (2265 radiants / 12.58 radiants/run) * 40 min/run = 120 hours of FSC, or 24 hours per equip
You'll be done getting the orbs you need well, well before you could get enough Radiants to get equips beyond the ones you can heat fully. Make those five count!
Ugh not that again. Why did you have to remind me?