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Do, 05/08/2014 - 10:12
Pluue

My Ash Tail Coat picked up a Max Freeze Resistance. Which 5 star coat would work best with this? Thanks!

Do, 05/08/2014 - 10:32
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Krakob

If you're interested in Lockdown, I'd say Snarbolax coat because it would give you a total of +7 (Snarby's inherent resistance equals a high which is 3, max is 4), which gives immunity to Shivermist. On the other hand, you'd often just combine it with more freeze resistant gear, which would kinda make the freeze max obsolete.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 10:37
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Mtax-Forum

Make Vog Cub Coat or Snarbolax Coat (Snarbolax needs to be made in Sanctuary). Do NOT make Skolver Coat, because it will make that UV worthless and you might like to sell it in future, because it's worth a lot.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 10:59
#3
Pluue
Hmmm, I wonder what the

Hmmm, I wonder what the actual UV level is because Ash Tail already has freeze resistance. I'm leaning towards Snarby Coat, but is that a waste since I'm only adding 1 resistance when it could be more (if that makes sense)?

Do, 05/08/2014 - 11:28
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Flowchart

Ash Tail seems to be +3 (same as Snarbolax), so plus the max would make it +7. Snarby coat wouldn't add or remove any resistance from it but it will be more useful (especially if you do Heart of Ice)

Do, 05/08/2014 - 11:32
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Sky-Scythe
Conquest & Fire

I agree with Krakob. Making a Snarbolax Coat is certainly the way to go in Lockdown. Skolver as stated above is hardly an option as freeze/piercing attacks are incredibly easy to dodge if you have less than 3 second delay.

Practically however, Vog Cub Coat could see some use from this, albeit not much. You wouldn't have to substitute it for another armor when entering a freeze level (common in Assault on Machine Shop 13) but such attacks are again, quite easy to dodge. If you went this route however, an Omegaward wouldn't be a bad investment, and the combination would be great for Grinchlin Assault, albeit there are better armours out there for it.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 11:34
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Shadowstarkirby
Go with Snarbolax

It wouldn't be a waste, since if you get enough freeze resist (some amount more, I forget exactly) you can gain immunity to moderate freeze too, giving you immunity to the Winter Wisps (as far as I know in PvE), Hail Driver, and soon/maybe two new guns coming to the game in PvP.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 11:48
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Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

Skolver as stated above is hardly an option as freeze/piercing attacks are incredibly easy to dodge if you have less than 3 second delay.

/me points Callahan at Sky-Scythe

Let's see you dodge this!

Anyway...Yeah I agree. Get Snarby.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 11:54
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Sky-Scythe
Conquest & Fire

"/me points Callahan at Sky-Scythe

Let's see you dodge this!

Anyway...Yeah I agree. Get Snarby."

The way defense is calculated, a Skolver will take no more or less damage than a Snarbolax in Lockdown from a Callahan.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 12:01
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Autofire
You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

The way defense is calculated, a Skolver will take no more or less damage than a Snarbolax in Lockdown from a Callahan.

Proof or it doesn't happen. Callahan is not Iron Slug.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 12:12
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Cinoa
(I'm joking no hard feelings)

I know!
Give it to me!

Do, 05/08/2014 - 12:20
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Sky-Scythe
Conquest & Fire

"Proof or it doesn't happen. Callahan is not Iron Slug."

Sorry, but I don't have proof first-hand. Zeddy does, however as this is a study he and Krakob took part in. Long story short, all armors are pushed up to a 100 defense threshold against all four damage types, after UVs. This means that wearing Proto in Lockdown is the same defensively as Skolver, you just have less health, freeze resistance, and sword damage. This is why competitive Lockdown players only stack defense UVs on armors that naturally have that defense. (I.E. Piercing/Normal max Skolver).

Do, 05/08/2014 - 12:24
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Krakob
@Sky Scythe

Well, that's incorrect. Skolver's defences exceed 100 in both piercing and normal. You've got the idea right but the wrong numbers.

Skolver > Snarbolax vs Callahan, anyway.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 12:31
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Sky-Scythe
Conquest & Fire

"Well, that's incorrect. Skolver's defences exceed 100 in both piercing and normal. You've got the idea right but the wrong numbers.

Skolver > Snarbolax vs Callahan, anyway."

Is that so? How does one calculate the defense of armors?

Do, 05/08/2014 - 12:33
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Cinoa
Callahan does pierce, skolver

Callahan does pierce, skolver is pierce armor and snarby is shadow armor ._.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 12:45
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Krakob

You need to test it in LD by calculating raw weapon damage - end damage where end damage is the damage you inflict against a target with the armor in question. However, Zeddy already has a lot of these numbers. To find these numbers, look in Ye Ole Damage Chart under Lockdown: Swords. Then look for the set you want to find the defence of (make sure you're looking under the right weapon also, so look for piercing defence under a piercing weapon). For example, we find Callahan in the Lockdown: Guns sheet. Looking under the Skolver row, we find that it does 165 damage with no DI. This number is calculated using the Callahan damage value found in the Handguns sheet minus the Skolver defence. The Skolver defence is written in the very cell we're looking at. It says 165 but since it's calculated, we can look in the cell for a reference to the Skolver set's defence and it happens to be right there, namely 125. This is for the full Skolver set, though. So for only one piece, divide 125 by two.

Sorry for the possibly incomprehensible wall of text, I need my beauty sleep already.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 13:17
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Fehzor

If you're looking for a PvE item then I'd recommend trading it for one with a fire uv. This can then be made into vog, which would be a huge boon alongside something like fang of vog.

If you're looking for PvP, then I'd listen to everyone else posting above. Their advice sounds pretty solid.

Do, 05/08/2014 - 15:05
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Holy-Crab
Nobody will trade a Freeze

Nobody will trade a Freeze Max UV for a Fire Max one. Freeze is one of the low tier UVs you can get on the wolver line, with only poison and curse being worse, while Fire resistance is ammong the most desired UVs. Just keep it, it's not worth enough to sell it. I would turn it into a Snarbolax coat as it has been adviced above or a Skolver coat if you do play PvP.

Fr, 05/09/2014 - 12:53
#18
Pluue
Thanks so much for the input

Thanks so much for the input guys!

Fr, 05/09/2014 - 12:58
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Krakob
@Holy-Crab

Poison is actually great for PvP on Snarby because Snarby set is inherently one unit less than minor immunity and a single piece of Snarby with a Max poison UV grants the needed +7.

Fr, 05/09/2014 - 13:38
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Becketta
@holy-crab

personally, i love my snarby set curse max. it is really helpful in this event, and if i get a fire uv on it later, it would be pretty good for UFSC

Fr, 05/09/2014 - 15:28
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Holy-Crab
Curse or Poison can be great

Curse or Poison can be great of course, it's not their usefulness that I'm describing as worse, but their value in a trade.

Fr, 05/09/2014 - 15:43
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Paintool
Speaking of Poison Max and

Speaking of Poison Max and Freeze Max, They make for great UV's on Vog Set.
My Vog is invincible to the likes of C42, and it's the best because I can solo it whenever I want.

Sa, 05/10/2014 - 06:59
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Duskfinder

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