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[Suggestion] Spiral Knights - reworking the party system

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Tue, 12/23/2014 - 03:45

Athia

Ok - Hello Spiral Knights community, I would like to show you why the group system should be reworked. Why? Quite simply, I've played Spiral Knights some time ago and I always noticed that some people abuse the group system. People who threaten to kick someone of the group because they do not do what the group leader would like to see, or just because the group member don't want to rush through a map.

Example: "Player 1 group leader" thinks "Player 2" looks goofy, "Player 1" kicks "Player 2" out of the group, his friend "Player 3" is angry, "Player 3" wrote that he think it's not "OK" what "Player 1" did. "Player 1" kicks "Player 3" from the group too.

Q: How can I prevent this?
A: It's easy, the group system will be changed to a Non-Party Leader system, which has the purpose that nobody can stand alone as a "leader"

Q: If there is no group leader, how do we kick someone in the group?
A: This question is easy, the difference is, if we kick someone it will be voted. This means that the group members need to vote another player out of the group, if they really think that someone should be kicked. If they choose to kick someone, they'll be asked if they really wants the person to kick of the group, accordingly, at least two (2) votes are needed to effectively kick the person from the group. - If there are only two people in the group, its still possible to leave the group.

Example: "Player 1" still thinks that "Player 2" is stupid, he chooses "Player 2" for eviction. "Player 3" and "4 player" are thinking, that the Player "Player 2" isn't that bad at all and respond with "No, do not kick from the group!" on the vote window. "Player 2" is at this moment "immune" and, for the next 5 - 10 minutes he will not be able to get kicked from the group.

I hope that this suggestion is fairly well accepted, it has already been proved to get an successful solutiuon, in some other games it's also well accepted by the community. I know some will absolutely hate me now, because they couldn't kick someone from the group because person A said something to person B, even though it was recorded incorrectly and person C (group leader) actually has no idea of the matter, and still kicks Person A.

Greetings Athia

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 17:43

Holy-Nightmare

Regardless of what we do

Regardless of what we do there will always be a downside.

In your suggestion you go over how they kick party members, but suppose that the votes are even just because someone is being a jerk. There will be idiots regardless of what changes are made.

Tue, 12/23/2014 - 21:14

Xxpapaya

The papaya has a question

What about inviting other players? Since you are suggesting a voting system to kick people, it only seems logical that a voting system to invite people comes in as well...or is everyone allowed to invite?

Wed, 12/24/2014 - 12:48

Malware-Exe

Couldnt you invite real life friends and lock the party? Just go solo for every other random party.

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 03:25

Athia

Solution

@Holy-Nightmare, sure there could be a downside but this here would prevent the feeling of being a "leader" and this could farily help to prevent already one problem.

@Xxpapaya, yes everybody would be allowed to invite someone into the party, but for sure it could also be a voting invite, but personally i would prefer "everybody is allowed to invite" system.

@Faeyd, you're absolutely wrong, this is not how i would handle this, if everyone of the Spiral Knights community would think like you, it would be boring - my idea behind this is to bring back the community, to bring back to play with the community and not only friends, at the moment it is already hard to find someone of the community to play with, even if you allow groups of all languages.

I really would like to hear some more suggestions or questions.

I wish you all and the Three Rings Design great holidays and a Merry, Merry Christmas!
Greetings Athia

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 07:22

Holy-Nightmare

@ Athia

Most players can easily recognize those with skill and the necessary equipment to use it. If this is about getting kicked from an FSC run for not having good equipment then forget about it, even under your new system an underequipped player would most likely get kicked.

One possible change would be to have kicked players not put in Restricted parties. Just sent them to open parties where those who join won't get event items or boss tokens (last part to prevent farming). If a player leaves let them ask if others would like to come (much like subtown elevators) and those from that party can join under a new leader (even the old leader can come).

Thu, 12/25/2014 - 13:23

Athia

@Holy-Nightmare

@Holy-Nightmare, no not for FSC runs, the main problem is that some people abuse his party leader status for kicking people of the group just because they don't do what he would like to do, so the leader kicks the group members one by one. That's why i would prefer a voting group system instead of have "leaders" people still could kick together, just for example for FSC runs if someone have bad gear, and these other "jerks" wouldn't be able to abuse this with their legendary might as a "leader" so community would be able to kick someone by voting, and not the party leader - group is something to me which should be for all, and not someone who is the leader, i dont need someone who leads, i would prefer a group which sticks together and this would also be good for the community. I don't like the thought of "Should i join, or shouldn't i" if everyone would do this there wouldn't be a open group even newbies wouldn't be able to get forward and leave Spiral Knights, i don't just want to play with my guild, sometimes i also like to play with some randoms.

Hope you understand what i am trying to tell.

Greetings Athia

Fri, 12/26/2014 - 07:37

Holy-Nightmare

meh

A good leader leads his (or her) team. It is up to the leader to call out any disruptive players (bad bombers, pulsar, and brandish users), if you end up on a team with a leader who just kicks you because you have a weapon with disruptive potential but hasn't seen you use it then you probably wouldn't be good for you to stay on that team.

Parties need a clearly defined leader who can in an instant remove a player that is plaguing the team with either bad play or foul language. Voting takes time and in SK time is CR.

The better question is whether you want to be on a team with a jerk who kicks for no reason? My answer is no. They can see my weapons and prestige and take a guess at how good a player I am (Tortodrone shield with an obsidian edge certainly points to the fact that I am a good player), if I get kicked then I probably wouldn't want to play on that person's team anyway.
http://youtu.be/z99iVXJ8OtA?t=25s

Fri, 12/26/2014 - 07:58

Malware-Exe

Good equips measure players skill? huehue

Fri, 12/26/2014 - 08:15

Holy-Nightmare

I earned all my items

Not good equips, earned ones. Bought ones don't count.

Odds are that a guy running about in a Vog/Seerus Combo with tortodrone and obsidian items has more experience than the guy in Azure spamming Nitronomes.

Fri, 12/26/2014 - 08:56

#10

Athia

@Holy-Nightmare

@Holy-Nightmare, i think you still didn't got the point, you do not need a leader if the team isn't "stupid", there exist people who just kick people because he is bored and just want to complete the level or a mission without looting the gear just to run through it from point a to point b within minutes, even if others would geld loot he wouldn't care - and this would clerly prevent this. I dont want to tell you this, but people should use their own mind instead of using the ones of the "leader" we aren't here within the time of Mr. Hi*ler.

Greetings Athia

Fri, 12/26/2014 - 11:09

#11

Malware-Exe

I think I know who your talking about...can I get Batabii for 300 plz

You have made me reconsider your "voting" option. Athia, i see you think some people in the community are a bit strange for believing the rarest loot is found at depths closer to the core and some are in fact right in that belief, but if you don't want to play with ppl who rush to get to x depth and grind there, then don't I guess and let "ignorant ppl" be "ignorant"

Fri, 12/26/2014 - 15:37

#12

Fangel

Nah.

Party leaders are there to maintain order. If you have a bad party leader, then you shouldn't stick with that party. People who want to go on a power trip shouldn't be people you join or stay with anyways.

A good alternative to something like this would be a secondary "party lobby" system. What I mean by this is that any player that the party leader doesn't invite to the group but is given an invite is "attached" to the player who invited them. Friends usually send invites anyways. So if player A invites player B, and party leader C kicks player A, they will get a prompt saying "Warning: You are about to kick a member of a mini-party! The following players will be removed from your party: Player A, Player B". If player A is kicked, player B will be "kicked" to the same party as player A. This means a party leader who is being a meanie-butt and kicks your friend won't mean your friend is now in a restricted party you can't join, and you both keep your vitapods, vials, etc. The same will happen if player B is kicked.
What could also happen is that if you are kicked from a party, you are given a little "invite screen" like what shows up when you're at a subtown and no-one else is on the elevator that has all the members from the previous party on that list. That might work better, as the party leader might like you, but the friend that invited you could be throwing a stink-fit.

Fri, 12/26/2014 - 16:24

#13

Holy-Nightmare

Perhaps not a voting option

Perhaps not a voting option is needed but a way to "label" your party. In the middle of play or when you begin the mission (as leader) you can set your party to a certain label. Also in the Party Search options you should have to select one of these labels to search for.

These can include:

Speedrun
Farming
Boss battle
General
Casual
Carry (ing or needed)
Event

This system should cut down on clashing interests of play and help create more cohesive parties.