Spiral Knights - Rewards in Tier 3 (why heat?)

Rewards in Tier 3 (why heat?)

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Wed, 08/31/2011 - 14:37

Rionled

Hello fellow knights!

I want to start off by saying that I've played quite a few MMOs and i would place this game very high on the list based on gameplay. After playing for almost two months, i still enjoy most parts of the game but there is one aspect that i think could use some remodelling. I'm preety sure based on the title of this thread you can guess where i'm going.

I find that although tier three has the best gameplay (good enemy ai, raised difficulty with more varied damage types), the reward system doesn't compensate. Most players have likely figured out that crowns are best harvested in a depth 6-7 arena in tier one and i am not here to crash your party by suggesting they lower crown drops there. What i do suggest is removing heat drops in Tier 3. As radical as that may sound, i truly believe that if you want to level up your gear, you should do that in tier 1 & 2. Tier 3 is endgame and shouldnt cater to those who are not ready.

Replacing that heat with crowns will make the gameplay experience in tier 3 even more rewarding. I am also aware that thier 3 has rare item drops like sun silver, shadow steel, etc. Being a soloist, i find that with every clear i may find one of those 5 star materials maybe once every 6 levels. the drop % is preety low and thats justifiable since they are RARE materials, and therefore i am only addressing the insignificance of heat being so prevalent in tier 3.

If the developers feel as thought the difficulty should be raised even higher to justify replacing all the heat for crowns, I am definately in favour.

(I dont really like doing this but since i doubt an admin would actually read this, ill make one for the knights who dont like reading)

TL;DR - T3 is endgame. If someone is looking for heat, they should do so in the preceding levels. T3 has amazing gameplay due to the raised difficulty but the rewards are too low and in my opinion it is due to the abundance of heat.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 15:09

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

><T3 is endgame and shouldnt cater to those who arnt ready.

Wow. I go on FSC runs to level up certain items, and am I new? No. Not at all. The CR thing would just be like a unlimited crown generator. I can get what, 10-15k CR for a full FSC run NOW? I could get like, 50k from "Heat Crowns" then. Tons of heat in FSC, keep it. Don't add extra CR.

-1 On everything.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 17:03

Rionled

Remove heat, replace with crowns. Make mobs harder if needed

I'm not going to make a habit of replying these sort of posts but since you were the first i guess i can address a few flaws in your logic.

1) Where exactly are you coming up with your numbers regarding the amount of crowns that would be added per level for the heat that would be replaced? Making up silly conversion rates are just, silly.

The numbers can definately be tweaked to achieve a desirable amount. That average crowns added per level is up to the developers to designate, and with the overwhelming of knights who make posts daily about crowns being too low in t3 in contrast to other tiers; it should be an area of the game they look at.

2) "I go on FSC runs to level up certain items, and am I new? No. Not at all"

Tier 3 is the only endgame, its where the hardest mobs are. The current rate of crowns that we get per level, often 500-600, is miniscule in comparison to t1 & 2 levels where you can get 1k-2k crowns per level.
I dont understand what you are trying to accomplish with the last part. Ok, so you are a battle scared veteran in SK, that's irrelevant. I mentioned leveling up gear - that means gear that is not ready. Once again, if you want to level up your new shiny gear, do it in the preceding levels and leave t3 alone until you are ready.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 17:29

kojiden

Legacy Username

I personally think heat

I personally think heat itself is flawed and needs to be changed. Once your gear is fully leveled heat is not a reward anymore. I think what you are suggesting is a cure for the symptom and not a cure for the cause.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 19:01

Rionled

Agreed

Absolutely agree. Would you agree, however, that since heat no longer has value for those of us in completed gear, crowns along with tokens, and materials are what we aim to get as rewards? If so, maybe my proposition regarding making t3 a hub only for those things and increasing crowns per level to maybe 1k-1.3k (this number is definately flexible depending on the developers own in house testing) is a good starting point.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 19:30

Metamare

I'd like to point out that

I'd like to point out that FSC is the only place in Spiral Knights to get sufficient amount of heat for leveling up higher end equipment such as 4* and 5*. Tier Two boss stratums such as JK and IMF just don't cut it, as much as FSC. The only way to accumulate the amount of heat you can rack up in FSC are stratums that are chock full of arena's and those only come once in a full moon.

Also consider the players who already have their five star gear but are working on other items to level for the sake of being "swagged out" and can't be bothered with those low end levels that give poor heat and crowns at the same 10 energy per level pricing.

Wed, 08/31/2011 - 20:09

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

Simple solution guys. Really that hard to figure out? Wow.

Sell your heat to Sexii, or anyone else who needs it. I did/do that all the time for some fast cash.

'Doh

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