Spiral Knights - Very easy balance issue! Please read, oh great OOO Gods! Short and simple.

Very easy balance issue! Please read, oh great OOO Gods! Short and simple.

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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 16:12

Enigmaticlogic

So recently I made myself a Sudaruska, and with max ASI and dmg bonus, I am actually pretty pleased with how it turned out.

HOWEVER, a couple things need a minor buff.

The charge attack needs a bit of work. Put simply it doesn't do enough damage. Charges from weapons like the levi blade do twice the damage of a normal hit PER possible hit. I think it needs a very slightly wider area of effect, and a nice damage bonus to make it usable.

The second swing needs a bit of a damage increase, it is very risky and does a very minimal amount more than the first swing.

This would make a lot of players happy, and probably take minimal effort! It would also be a great way to show the community how much you care. Thanks for reading!

I've had Triglav too, and I'd say that sword probably needs even a bit more work on the special attack, fix both please :D

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 16:46

Argune

Suda on seccond swing does seem to have longer reach and a stronger knockback. but it does feel slower already.
same with first swing.

The charge attack does way to little damage yes but does have a big reach. also slow recovery. so i don't know why they penalize it multiple times.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 17:39

Madadder

u should try searching first

u should try searching first because this has been suggested but mainly focused on the charge of the weapon

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 03:39

Enigmaticlogic

Yes

Yes... And I was the original person who made a serious suggestion thread, just shortly after release. Anyways, this is my thread, it doesn't matter if there is another one out there, I'll be bumping this one.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 12:38

Enigmaticlogic

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 12:50

Enigmaticlogic

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 12:56

Kwizzy

Please upgrade Triglav too if

Please upgrade Triglav too if you guys look into this one, I was disappointed with it (But it sure is pretty). Same reasons as Enigmaticlogic mentioned about the other Troika upgrade line.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 15:56

Svarren

I currently have a Triglav,

I currently have a Triglav, Divine Avenger, Silent Nightblade and Grand Flourish. Even when I had 4 weapon slots active, I hardly used my Triglav (despite only having one other 5* sword). Of course my Triglav won't compete with my DA (vs. constructs and undead), but now that I'm sitting at 3 weapon slots I shouldn't be using my nightblade right now if it were balanced properly.

Either make the sword better all-around with a slight damage buff, or make the charge far more worth it. The Trigalv looks damn awesome so I could sure use an excuse to bring it out more.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 15:47

Enigmaticlogic

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 16:17

Grenze

The funny thing is that

The funny thing is that people won't care about this because people say things like this.

"Also on the subject of the Suda/Triglav. Whether they're good or not is secondary to how much they'll be used. You don't bring a sword that's decent against everything when you can bring one that's right for the task at hand."

So we should never use the Triglav or Suduruska cause people like that. No I agree it needs a buff, Triglav and Suduruska need some love and a purpose.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 16:44

#10

Enigmaticlogic

^ If you guys actually want this to happen, there's no need to discuss, just bump.

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:16

#11

Enigmaticlogic

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:35

#12

Enigmaticlogic

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 17:55

#13

Enigmaticlogic

Fri, 09/30/2011 - 19:48

#14

Eagleorion

Wow. Do any of the admins on

Wow. Do any of the admins on this forum give a crap about bumping?? I mean seriously? This stuff goes on for a ridiculous length.

I know I'm off topic, but if you have a right to bump, I have a right to be off-topic. Where are the bump banning lords? Where?!

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 02:04

#15

Starlinvf

Most forum admins will read

Most forum admins will read posts from the bottom up unless it gets reported. Discussions get panned out, and they can breeze through reading it without having to constantly monitor for updates. So technically, bumping takes it longer to reach them.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 05:43

#16

Enigmaticlogic

I wasn't aware that bumping was breaking forum rules. In that case though, I'm still going to do it because this is a really easy balance fix that I think OOO should see, so I'm gonna do my best to keep it at the top.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 05:54

#17

Starlinvf

So in summary....

http://www.straferight.com/photopost/data/500/medium/double-facepalm.jpg

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 06:07

#18

Birgus

Wow, that is certainly the most enigmatic logic I've seen here.

"I wasn't aware that bumping was breaking forum rules. In that case though, I'm still going to do it..."

"Ignorance is no excuse," does not mean that knowledge is. Also, you might want to read the post by Starlinvf. My brain hurts now.

Anywho, +1 for Troika line upbeefery. I use a Troika for its goofy style, particularly the charge attack sound effect, despite it being hard to use effectively. It would be really nice for it to be on the Pareto frontier, even if only trivially for a situational special ability. Then again, I could say that about everything... I just do not feel comfortable taking it outside solo play, since most players probably do not like party mates deliberately making the game harder. :P

edit: Thanks for the image!

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 09:21

#19

Enigmaticlogic

It's not that mysterious.

I'm just saying that I'm willing to break forum rules to get this to the dev's attention, that's all. As far as Starlin's post, I don't know how the forums work exactly, but I don't care as much about admin's. I just want a dev to see the heading in the most recent post section, and quickly check it out. If this tactic doesn't work, then I will eventually revise my methods.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 09:26

#20

Enigmaticlogic

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 09:48

#21

Starlinvf

Let me break this down to

Let me break this down to you.... The Devs DO NOT read this forum themselves. Part of the admin's job is filter through the noise that makes up 90% of this board's threads, and present the ideas that are either feasible or something the community expresses significant interest in. That being said, 95% of the ideas posted here will never get implemented, and weapon balance threads are very rarely acted on. Suggestion threads tend to be very narrow minded in purpose, and the devs do have to consider the effects of a particular change against the entire game, the cost in time to implement it (for new ideas), and if it'll negatively effect CE in the long term (which is already a volatile market to begin with).

They do review common complaints, but any weapon adjustments have to balanced against the other weapons, while at the same time not gaining too much utility in PvP. This is even more difficult with Normal damage weapons since the basic concept is consistent damage across all targets, at the cost of slightly less base damage, and no bonus against any type of monster. But normal attacks from the new Troika's are consistent with typical heavy blade performance. Per target DPS is lower then 3-swing swords as a trade off for the wider swing, and the ability to hit multiple targets at once. The charge attack on the other hand is still heavily debated, but most people ignore the fact that the DA is abnormally effective against everything and use it as the basis for how heavy swords should work.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 14:44

#22

Eagleorion

From Starlin's first post through his second

Lawl. That made my day.

Sat, 10/01/2011 - 22:25

#23

Enigmaticlogic

Thank you for the information

Thank you for the information about how the forums are filtered through to the dev's, I figured this might be the case but did not know for sure. As for the talk about the weapon, I know all that, it should be fairly obvious. The point of this thread is not to make the special attack as good as the DA's, it is merely what it says, a suggestion... These swords are supposed to feel like a mountain, and I think the charge attack needs a damage buff to reflect that. As for the narrow purpose of this thread, sure, I am proposing a change to the game that I presume to be simple coding wise, and that should not have an immense effect on the CE market, seeing as the changes I am proposing won't make the troika line better than the sealed sword line, it would just put them (in my opinion, of course) in a fair place. But getting back on topic, as I said before, if this tactic doesn't work after a while, I will try something else. I'm a perfectly reasonable person, and I am just attempting to bring about a small change to the game that I and a decent amount of others feel is a good idea. If you have suggestions for a more effective way to do that, feel free to tell me. But for future reference you should assume I understand the in game implications of the change, and the mechanics of how the game works. I will admit I am not an expert on forum mechanics.

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 00:44

#24

Starlinvf

Its hard to make an

Its hard to make an assumption that people understand things well enough after looking at the majority of threads that get started here. Most suggestions usually involve making something "easy mode", or "make CE free" or "make mist go faster".... so skepticism runs deep.

Anyway, I pointed out what I thought needed to be, and now we just have to see what happens.....

Sun, 10/02/2011 - 08:39

#25

Enigmaticlogic

Yes, I do indeed know what

Yes, I do indeed know what you mean. I am doubtful that this thread will actually bring about a change, but all I can really do is try. And, for what it's worth, I think the game is too easy rather than too hard (at least if you aren't lagging), but that might not be the opinion of the general public. I tend to like challenges.

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Very easy balance issue! Please read, oh great OOO Gods! Short and simple.