Spiral Knights - Make Strata 1, 3 and 5 profitable. The first half of a dungeon is a waste.

Make Strata 1, 3 and 5 profitable. The first half of a dungeon is a waste.

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Thu, 10/13/2011 - 05:07

Renpartycat

To be honest, none of us like doing the first half of a dungeon run. The profit is horrible during the first half. But during the second half, all the profit comes in. Which is why many of us are in pick-up groups, where one person gets to the terminal and invites people so that everyone else gains the best profit since we're not dealing with the first half.

Please, Three Rings. Either remove the "Pay 200/500 crowns to play" thing or increase the profit gains for strata 1, 3 and 5. If you did any of these or even both of these, I'm sure that EVERYONE will play and enjoy dungeon runs from start to finish.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 06:25

Juances

You get profit for 2,4,6 and

You get profit for 2,4,6 and you get basil acces for doing 1,3,5. That kind of works.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 06:42

Renpartycat

@Juances

Technically you don't need to do the entire first half to get a recipe from basil.

But most of the time, you don't find the recipes you actually need. It's not possible to make worthy profit off of a recipe unless it's a recipe for a commonly used item. And even then, this is quite time-consuming because it's never easy to sell recipes and unbound weapons on a whim. In some situations, you can upgrade your weapon, or buy a recipe and make profit, THEN upgrade your weapon. But like I said, selling commonly sold unbound items like Antiguas, and recipes in general takes quite some time. I usually stay happy with the money i make from an entire run, only because I join parties that are very close to the terminal. And let's not forget that if you join at the terminal, you can ask someone to buy a recipe from Basil and sell it to you so it's really not a problem.

All I'm asking is if we can remove the "Pay 200/500 crowns to explore a dungeon" crap or make strata 1, 3 and 5 good enough to play in so people would play from the beginning more often. If the first half of a dungeon run was worth it, the only time someone would make a pick-up group is if they only want boss tokens.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 06:44

Vescrit

I'm not too sure...

I consider a profit something that can get me 100CE right after the run, if I do a full run, i usually make more than the cost of CE.

Doing only half the run doesn't seem profitable

/doesn't really pay attention to differing payouts

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 06:54

Effrul

Really?

Ren, do you actually like this game, or are you just in it for profit? I like the first half of a dungeon run! Spiral Knights is a fun game, and I enjoy playing it, even if I'm not making loads of cash every level I do. Juances is right, besides: Basil is your reward for the first half of a tier. You're also entirely disregarding Heat accumulation in your assessment.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 06:59

Renpartycat

@Vescrit

Trust me, it's much more profitable to do the second half.

There's a reason why people used to farm Arenas, and Depth 16 of Jelly King. Doing the second half lets you get enough profit to buy 100 CE at the end, and if you're doing the second half that has Jelly King in it, you get a good amount of profit for only spending 40 CE. There's also other factors, such as tokens, rare monsters, getting lockboxes/mod calibrators, and finding weapons or armor from item boxes. But then again, these factors apply to the general profit of every dungeon in every tier.

Nevertheless, it's still much more profitable to do the second half. More heat, more crowns, less effort.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:03

Vescrit

@Renpartycat

"less effort."

B-but I like effort...my second time fighting Vanaduke was a solo run...I didn't win, but I've been soloing him since. I played this game for the effort it takes to actually get through it...

*sadfaces*

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:09

Renpartycat

@Vescrit

What are you talking about? FSC and Vanaduke are obviously on the second half of a dungeon run.

And if you want to solo vanaduke, good luck because there's no way in hell I'd do that. Killing vanaduke with a competent team is what I did for a while so I got my Fang of Vog.

What I meant to say was that if you do the second half and not the first, it's less effort compared to doing the whole thing. I'm not saying that all of your efforts were a waste.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:21

Niichi

I generally see the split as

I generally see the split as purposely done. The idea is that players work through the odd stratum to reach the more lucrative even stratum. Now yes, it's possible to randomly jump further along or to use friends/guildies to jump too, but ultimately someone had to work through the earlier levels.

I don't see a problem.

I'd also be concerned that injecting more crowns into the system (which is what this would result in) would result in CE inflation which would make it so that no stratums at all are profitable, or at least much less than currently.

Thu, 10/13/2011 - 07:23

Vescrit

Still not sure

FSC and Vanaduke are obviously on the second half of a dungeon run.

yeah I'm well aware of this...

And if you want to solo vanaduke, good luck because there's no way in hell I'd do that.

its not that hard honestly...as long as you are patient...I've got 30 tokens already, a few from doing with parties, a bit more from solo, I forgot to count.

What I meant to say was that if you do the second half and not the first, it's less effort compared to doing the whole thing.

Like I said, I like doing full runs, what i mean is, I make around 6000-7000+cr from doing the full run, anything less seems like a waste (regardless of doing just the FSC levels).

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Make Strata 1, 3 and 5 profitable. The first half of a dungeon is a waste.