Spiral Knights - The DA's so called "graphic fix" is a nerf

The DA's so called "graphic fix" is a nerf

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Sat, 10/22/2011 - 19:44

Theskyblade

The charge is now useless. range and power and looks are GONE.
I can deal with silver keys
I can deal with shadow keys
But you can not mess with my DA.

and as for the FSC wheel trick in blackstone bridge? Just make those wheels INDESTRUCTIBLE. When i logged on today, I was horrified. You nerfed my DA, my baby, my everything. My LIFE revolves around that DA. I've never been one to get mad at you guys, OOO. But this is too far.

Not even Boswick could have done something this cruel.

EDIT: I've just realized that the DA's glow is no longer as cool or bright. now i'm FUMING.

Edit 2: After all your points about the DA being OPed, I've changed my mind about the power being returned. but it just doesn't look correct with the one launch point. and the DA's glow is not even cool. nerf the weapon. but KEEP THE LOOKS.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 20:16

Starlinvf

You nerfed my DA, my baby, my

You nerfed my DA, my baby, my everything. My LIFE revolves around that DA

And therein lies your problem. Granted some weapons are just more functional then others, that should had never stopped you from learning how to use different weapons. And its not just FSC that this change was long coming, even if it is a big one..... the DA is the single most useful sword among the 5* crowd. That tells you something about its utility despite the system being built around a general balance between all the weapon types. The DA is even usable against Gremlins and beasts, 2 monster types that are resistant to Elemental damage.

List of things that make the DA a favorite, for obvious reasons.

1. Its high damage
2. It has good reach and knock back
3. A combined VH ASI is the threshold where this weapon's slow speed losses most of its risk.
4. It has a unique charge attack, that has both the push back and range equivalent of a maxed out Blast bomb
5. Its the perfect combination of properties to combat zombie hoards in FSC. Elemental damage, knockback, wide swing, and a charge that can cleanly push a hoard back to clear space.
6. These properties can be extended in use against almost any type of monser.
7. Making it the only weapon you can carry all the time, and NOT find yourself in a situation where it becomes a liability.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 21:12

Theskyblade

@starlinif

You have to admit, the visuals are now suckish. The charge used to be useful and looks cool. now its not cool nor useful. and power aside, why mess up the shiny outlining?

In response to your arguments:

1. It's a heavy sword
2. Again, it's a heavy sword
3. I don't have ASI, and as for the ppl who do you don't nerf us for their ASI.
4. Not anymore, now the charge is completely useless. And a blast bomb has a 360 degree range. A DA has only front range. My DA is my baby because it's cool and is a decent weapon for hoards of enemys. Of course, now it's not cool OR useful against hoards. they messed the glowy effect. :\
5. It's a heavy sword, AND elemental. ANY sword like that will deal with zombie hoards.
6. If your skilled this would apply to any weapon. An expert acheron user could handle a zombie hoard if he knew what he was doing.
7. It is not my only weap, I just use it most, because A it's cool and B its useful. And the "no liability" only applies if you have ASI.

And in a final point, the DA is no longer cool. take my charge, sure, I'll learn to get my. but give back the looks. My main problem is the way it shoots. instead of three launch points. it has 1 in the middle. Which makes NO SENSE, WHATSOEVER. just give me the looks back, at least!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:39

Starlinvf

I actually like the new look

I actually like the new look of the charge attack. Its not as flashy as it was before, but the level of subtitle detail is very impressive. And your "counter-argument" is only reinforcing what I'm saying, only your trying to play it as a victim even though your not.

Your also mixing 2 distinct complaints as the same issue, then back out of it at the last paragraph. Also, I don't get this 1 blade thing your talking about... It still has 3 blades, just in a tighter formation.

Sat, 10/22/2011 - 23:51

Serpine

Lol

It's funny because you don't know how to use a brandish.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:24

Coldtart

Troll?

It's funny because everything Theskyblade says is either wrong or exactly why the DA needed a nerf.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 01:29

Madadder

all you want is to cheat in

all you want is to cheat in FSC with the DA trick

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 02:11

Fehzor

I agree.

Do something to fix the DA's charge attack. I'd nerf the explosions on the outside so that they have less range, and re-extend out the blades a bit. That way, it'd look correct. In terms of power, its wwaaayyy better in the charge- if you pull it off right, it can OHKO turrets, and nail other things for the first hit + 6-12 times for each blade, but the style is way worse, it just doesn't look right.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 02:46

Niichi

In terms of usefulness I've

In terms of usefulness I've been finding this new charge is more useful than the old one. Especially when dealing with smaller groups of enemies as now the side blades have less chance of just shooting past the target.

The only real loss I've noticed is the inability to glitch in parts of FSC but that is not a significant loss.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:20

Coneykrab

Should have seen it coming

If you really think about it, you might have seen this coming. EVERYONE had a DA; it needed to be given some form of balance to make it fit properly. The intent of the wheels in blackstone bridge is that they ARE indestructible. Glitches usually get FIXED. Half of your argument is also based on the way it looks. Big deal; if I had a sword that was a badly drawn standard sword in some Paint program but had a CTR VH, a high chance to give an enemy all status effects, and full bars of all types of damage, I'd still use it.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 03:35

#10

Ewbte

the only think i don't like

the only think i don't like in new update is new colors of sealed line, coins, heat, etc.
all new colors looks ugly, like over9000 times resaved jpeg.

I agree with Coneykrab. But about those all powerful swords.. its like cheating, not interesting.
how long you guys played in games after you start using some cheats in it, one or maybe.. two days? The faster u get what u want - the faster game became uninteresting.

sry for bad english.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 08:41

#11

Theskyblade

I understand your points

I'm fine with a little nerfing, it is a bit OP for FSC. But if your going to nerf a weapon, you dont nerf the LOOKS. you nerf the POWER.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 09:13

#12

Juances

The looks is a cosmetic thing

The looks is a cosmetic thing and is too subjetive: someone may like it now some will not.
You can't make everyone happy.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:13

#13

Orangeo

Sealed sword has no green

Sealed sword has no green glow whatsoever. I'm not liking what they did to the looks. I'm not going to debate it either, just posting that as a vote, so to speak.
The charge nerf, on the other hand, makes complete sense. People cheat with DA -> OOO keeps them from cheating. Two part thought process. My brother has a DA, he says the new charge looks less cool but is more useful. You can hit vannaduke with all three bullets apperently. Plus, you can still go backwards in the rocket puppy room, just get a polaris or 3 shock vials.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:25

#14

Saradominant

to all who think DA is over

to all who think DA is over powered is simply because the only t3 u do is fsc, u do a fiend t3 arena with DA and then say that
And there are so many people with DA is because both it looked the best in the game and it was a good sword
I agree with OP, i can stand u fix the fsc bug, i can tolerate even u changed my sword less shiny. But the charged atk need to be changed back with the bug fixed.
I DO NOT NEED that little trick to beat fsc
I just want my favorite sword back

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 11:54

#15

Fallconn

ditto!!

I want my DA back!!!

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:06

#16

Orangeo

I'm sure there are just as

I'm sure there are just as many people who like the new DA better than the old one, if you disregard the FSC trick.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:08

#17

Sirkibles

I like the new charge...

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 12:14

#18

Orangeo

Spot on.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 14:39

#19

Theskyblade

where'd the glow go?

Your point:
"there are just as many people who like the new DA better than the old one"
Well, befrore the update, everyone was happy with the DA's looks. After the update, only some ppl are.

Don't fix what aint broken. give me back my shiny sword.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 15:38

#20

Batabii

If it's purely cosmetic, it

If it's purely cosmetic, it can't be a nerf.

Sun, 10/23/2011 - 17:18

#21

Theskyblade

@Batabii

The nerf on the charge is cosmetic ANd a nerf: go check it out.

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