Spiral Knights - What Is The Best Set-Up For The Wild Hunting Blade?

What Is The Best Set-Up For The Wild Hunting Blade?

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mer, 12/07/2011 - 09:22

Glasscake

First off, please don't make any comments regarding how X sword is better. I've already made the hunting blade, and I don't regret my decision. But I do know that there are better swords than the Wild Hunting Blade out there. So the question is, what armor/other weapons should I use alongside this weapon to make the best use of it? Please note that it WILL be my main weapon, so I'm not gonna just have it for show alongside a better sword.
My planned set up is this:
-Divine Veil
-Skolver Coat
-Barborous Thorn Shield
-Wild Hunting Blade
-Magma Driver

I'm also willing to impliment trinkets, but I'm unsure of what would help me most. A quickstrike? Elite slash module? Any help you provide is GREATLY appreciated, as I have no idea how damage formulas and all the technical stuff works. Thanks again!

mer, 12/07/2011 - 10:06

Glasscake

Uhh....Bump? D:

mer, 12/07/2011 - 10:39

Culture

Hmm

Yeah, looks good. I would also recommend making a Skolver Cap so that you can hit Max Damage to everything (rather than just beasts) on your WHB when you don't desperately need elemental/shadow/fire/shock defense.

When using a short-ranged normal weapon like WHB you'll need a good kiting weapon. The Magma Driver will work well and do extra damage at the same time. But you would actually be a bit better off by getting a Hail or Storm driving since their statuses make kiting even easier. On the other hand, for the pure damage approach you should just get a Nova Driver - no status but better damage than Magma. And then if you are going to get a Nova driver, might as well get a Polaris for the high damage, knockback and shock... but I digress...

For trinkets, CTR is pointless on cutters, you will be at or near Max Damage... so that leaves Sword ASI. Because WHB is already fast, it is hard to notice the results of ASI. With Very High ASI though you will be faster which will improve your already incredible maneuverability on the battlefield.

Otherwise for trinkets you might as well get Gun ASI for slightly better gun handling or grab two Gun Damage trinkets for additional damage, depends on your playstyle. Dmg is going to have better DPS than ASI, but ASI is going to let you move and shield sooner.

mer, 12/07/2011 - 10:45

Fradow

Huh, a bump after less than 1

Huh, a bump after less than 1 hour ?

Anyway, here is my opinion :
- your armor setup is a standard all around. Nothing wrong with it for a first armor.
- BTS is a good piercing shield, you may want to add another shield to deal with other situations (an Owlite or Plate shield for FSC for example)
- considering you want to keep your Wild Hunting Blade, normal sword + elemental gun is a pretty solid 2 slots setup. You may want to change the gun if you plan to do FSC with it, as fire is useless down there.

With a fast sword, a good option would be at least a damage trinket, if not both.

As for "how damage formulas and all the technical stuff works", you'll have to ask some questions if you want some answers.

mer, 12/07/2011 - 11:40

Glasscake

Well, my main technical

Well, my main technical problem is damage output. I've heard from other people that using the BTS will eliminate the need for skolver. I also heard that wearing a set like that would make the damage bonuses of my sword redundant, is any of that true?

mer, 12/07/2011 - 11:51

Bopp

largely agree

If I had to use only one armor set, it would definitely be Divine Veil with Skolver Cap. Grey Owlite Shield would give you better defense than BTS, but BTS offers great offense.

ASI is not useful (Cutters are already close to the maximum speed cap) and neither is CTR (it is extremely difficult to use Cutter charge attacks well). Damage bonus is extremely useful on a fast sword like this, so it's good to have two or three medium damage bonuses from armor/trinkets/UVs. (Thus making the WHB's beast bonus less useful, but let's not dwell on that.) And you can devote your other armor/trinkets/UVs to enhancing your gun. So I largely agree with Culture and Fradow (as always).

I disagree with Culture about using Hail Driver for kiting. Freeze hinders kiting, rather than facilitating it. Of course, freeze controls crowds in a different way. But Hail Driver is difficult to use effectively anyway, because it unfreezes unless you're really careful. Consider Storm Driver or Polaris. Or get massive CTR on the Hail Driver.

Finally, at the risk of totally infuriating you, let me just point out one fact: More than half of the cost in making a 5-star item comes in upgrading 4-star to 5-star. It is not too late to switch to the DVS line.

mer, 12/07/2011 - 11:56

Bopp

response about damage

In case you don't know this, bonuses exist on a 6-point scale: Low = 1, Medium = 2, High = 3, Very High = 4, Ultra = 5, and Maximum! = 6. For example, High + Medium = Ultra. You cannot go past Maximum!. For example, Ultra + High = Maximum!.

So if you have WHB with a BTS, then you get Ultra damage bonus against beasts and Medium damage bonus against everything else.

If you have WHB with BTS and one piece of Skolver, then you get Maximum! damage bonus against beasts and Very High damage bonus against everything else. (Notice that 1/3 of your WHB beast bonus is going unused, because you are over Maximum!.)

If you have WHB with BTS and two pieces of Skolver, then you get Maximum! damage bonus against everything. (Notice that your entire WHB beast bonus is going unused.)

mer, 12/07/2011 - 11:56

Glasscake

Thanks for the input Bopp. I

Thanks for the input Bopp. I had trouble deciding on trinkets too, since I get a big damage bonus from my shield and armor, and the speed is almost maxxed too (not even going to mention the charge, lol) I might consider the storm driver, how does shock effect enemies?

Well I see your point about the DVS, and I know that poison is extremely useful. I picked the WHB because people dislike it, and because it's the underdog of the fast swords (no pun intended) I want to use it as well as possible to prove to people it's not just a trophy sword, and can be used as a really dangerous weapon in the right hands.

mer, 12/07/2011 - 12:12

Bopp

statuses; possible tactic

Each of the big three statuses (fire, freeze, shock) has advantages and drawbacks. Fire does damage; however, it does not hinder monsters at all (unless it kills them ;). Freeze immobilizes monsters; however, it does very little damage, does not prevent them from attacking forward, hinders kiting, and is often broken by teammates willy-nilly. Furthermore, fire and freeze cancel each other. Shock does a little damage and disrupts not just the movement but also the charging/attacking of monsters; however, it can make monster actions less predictable.

If you could master a technique of freezing or shocking enemies and then unloading a Cutter charge attack into them, and if this tactic actually produced huge damage to them and no damage to you, then you'd be showing me something I don't know. Maybe that could be one of your goals? :)

mer, 12/07/2011 - 13:58

Slayzz

@Glasscake This setup looks

@Glasscake
This setup looks excellent to me. Well thought out.
I suggest getting high/Very High ASI on the WHB. Then get a DMG trinket and an ASI trinket and you are good to go.
Lastly, I would recommend getting a different gun besides the magma driver, since it is useless in FSC. A storm driver would be the next best option for status damage, but for pure damage, go nova driver. Just make sure your gun is elemental.

mer, 12/07/2011 - 18:16

#10

Kickthebucket

well you loose the overall

well you loose the overall medium damage bonus to one just for beasts ;)
for wolver lvls i suggest getting an other piece of armor (also piercing) just to get the max defence you can get AND don't waste the bonus. remember 3 times medium = max

@Slayzz why ASI on a very fast sword :s i would suggest anything but ASI (maybe CTR if you want to spam the charge wich i doubt) so maybe you get lucky and roll a damage bonus VS slime or something :)

mer, 12/07/2011 - 19:09

#11

Michaelb

<.< >.> looks great to me. I

<.< >.>

looks great to me. I definitely agree with Culture, you should go with the Skolver Cap if you want great damage.

With the gun, like the Storm Driver personally, but whatever works.

If you have two trinket slots, then I'd go with one Elite Quick Striker Module -- again, as Culture said, that would let you shield more quickly. Or it may have been someone else who said that. IDK :)

And the other trinket slot I would say you should go with Elite Shot Module (Or whatever the damage gun one is called XD) just because I like to balance things out. The extra damage would be nice.

>.> <.<

mer, 12/07/2011 - 20:48

#12

Slayzz

@Kickthebucket well I did see

@Kickthebucket well I did see ASI max effects on it (Vog set + striker). Looked pretty insane. ;D Also, I have an untested theory that the cutter is as fast as a brandish against mobile enemies that aren't cornered. I was thinking that the forward movement from the sword would prevent the second swing from hitting. It's untested though, so I'm going to try it when I can.

mer, 12/07/2011 - 22:22

#13

Kickthebucket

@Slayzz haha i hava 2 ASI

@Slayzz haha i hava 2 ASI trinkets and it's insane trying to use it with fast swords haha (i'm clicking my mouse like a nutt hahaha) alltough on the levi (with ASI low) it's allmost as fast as a piercing haha :D but i think having ASI on a cutter line would make it an uncontrollable monster hahaha (if you can manage using the speed that is)

ven, 12/09/2011 - 13:17

#14

Bopp

data about possible speed cap

My friend just ran some timing tests for me, to determine whether there is really a speed cap on Cutters with large ASI. I've posted his data at Talk:Dread Venom Striker. The data suggest that there is no speed cap before Ultra ASI. For Ultra and Maximum! ASI, you might be running into a cap, or maybe getting some kind of diminishing returns.

ven, 12/09/2011 - 14:02

#15

Slayzz

@kickthebucket lol maybe

@kickthebucket lol maybe so...

dim, 05/12/2013 - 00:21

#16

Raykler

I was doing a set and I would

I was doing a set and I would like to know your opinion about it.
Here is.

I would like to know your opinion about this set ^^

dim, 05/12/2013 - 00:58

#17

Krakob

N-n-n-nec- oh wait you're asking something.

I'd recommend that you would've made a new thread but whatever.
-Your set is cool but it's hardly defensive. Consider Vog Cub Coat/Cap, at least one of them, for more dangerous stuff.
-Plague Needle is pretty bad. I wouldn't really recommend it above Blitz for well, anything. Poison doesn't make it much more appealing. Do have a look at the Volcanic Pepperbox, also. It's a totally valid replacement for the Blitz, notably because it works against Slime and Construct, too. These are found in two boss stratums. The fire kicks butt, too. A single charge will be enough to kill a Trojan because of the fire.
-Don't get WHB if that will be your only sword. The Swagger Increase: Max! is nice but the Beast damage bonus will be nullified by the Skolver set and Barbarous Thorn Shield.

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