Spiral Knights - Clean Lockdown.

Clean Lockdown.

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Tue, 01/24/2012 - 21:51

Keefachu

Besides all the "cashers" gaining armor with insane UV's and completely dominating everyone with them (especially tier 2 LD), this needs to be implemented in order to have a much fair PvP. This also applies to people who constantly "roll" on there dusker coat/cap for piercing med-max.
How about a game-mode that shows TRUE skill. In this version of lockdown, any UV's wont be used, auto target is disabled by DEFAULT (if its turned on it wont AT enemy players) or will be turned ON by default. You will not be able to use any trinkets. The amount of CR will be a greater amount earned to the winner compared to normal LD (this im not so sure about :/). The reason i want this is because the unfair amount of people i see with piercing max on skolver and asi on FF. I feel its unbalanced and not fair. Then theres those people (in tier 2) who just dont die. Thats right! Those annoying (censored) with tri-heart pendants and uv's! Its even WORSE there, do to the LOW amount of damage people do. Im forced to use my trinkets, just so its a fair fight. I for one have no UV's and i dont want to get those just so its a fair fight SOMETIMES. Because then theres the people WITHOUT uv's who i will dominate. Please support for clean lockdown for a more fair fight. So if that one guy (or guild) is showing off, you will really know who is the better player.

If your wondering why i said no trinkets, its because T2 would be unfair still. These "extra items" like trinkets, are available to people who have trinket SLOTS. Like me. i have them and have a much better advantage to those who DONT.

I just want lockdown to be fair. Normal lockdown should still be implemented, and not removed.

Also bring back tortodrones and vog cubs. :D

Auto target is cheap BTW.

SUPPORT this idea (or at least the resurrection of vog cubs/tortodrones :3)

Many tanx for reading.

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 22:13

Psychodestroyer

I'm kinda impartial on this...

When I play LD, I fight as hard as I can regardless of the situation. Losing, undergeared, outclassed, I'll still fight.

No really, I'm in T3 now, no UVs, no trinkets, no upgraded anything, with 4* gear, and frankly, I'm getting pwned in it. I can do SOME damage, between 700-3000, average 2.5K, and perhaps get a few caps, harass the enemy, maybe even kill a few, but really, I'm no match for them.

All I do is go: 'Dam, these guys don't go down easy", get back up, try again.

As a side thought, this came to mind while I was thinking about this: http://youtu.be/fOsdy1ZsXUs?t=2m3s :D

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 22:13

Arkate

vog and torto not gunna happen

not gunna happen, accroding to the wiki they are extinct, which means in reality, scrapped

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 22:23

Keefachu

Darn :(

@Arkate o darn i forgot about that!

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 01:40

Skold-The-Drac

T1 LD

Simple and easy.
You have to choose between hitting heavy or having speed.
Gunners can still gun, bombers can still bomb.
Pendants can be used but they don't take you too far. (I've reconned and killed strikers who use pendants... it just takes time.. and bombs.)
So there you go... clean LD in one shot.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 01:56

Newbyboy

+9000000000

+9000,i feel this way i fight people with ASI max and Dam Max,im like wow???Im forced to use trinkets to go against those annoying cashers and even THOSE WHO DONT SPEND THEIR MONEY BUT TIME TO FARM CRS TO BUY UVS>thats right u scupperers> you dont spend money but time like a no life to get uv equip and pwn people in LD easily

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 06:41

Alice-In-Pyroland

Alternative modes for

Alternative modes for Lockdown would be interesting, although I'm tempted to say that a variant of Lockdown in which players use gear presets provided for the game would be more interesting. How it'd work I haven't quite worked out yet, but say three different gear loadouts for each class.

@Newyboy: You realize you look like a complete moron by insulting players just because they have better gear than you right? Unless you can seriously advocate that everything you do in your life is well spent time and couldn't have been better spent bettering humanity (And the very fact you're posting here already disputes that), you're in no position to critcize how anybody else spends their money or time.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 11:59

Canozo

What

I used to play T3 Lockdown with Heart trinkets and no UVs on either my weapons and armor, using a vog with just 2 swords.
9kdmg+

And if you wanna play clean lockdown, its called T1

EDIT: Also trinket slots are just 50ce if you are patient.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 13:31

Treizeknight

You do realize people just

You do realize people just craft 1* gear with VH and MAX UV for tier 1, just like they would in tier 3, right?

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 16:02

Splockets

@ Echoez
Perhaps gear would be decided entirely by the class chosen by the player, excluding weapons?
For instance, all gear bonuses would be the ones given by the shield for each class in Lockdown already. (ASI, CTR, all those nice things) Actual defensive power would be decided by the gear given alongside the shield; say strikers get pierce defense and two elemental weapons, say two swords. Recons could get shadow defense and two piercing weapons, a bomb and a sword. Guardians would get ele defense and shadow weapons, with a sword and gun. This way, a triangle would be set up between the three classes allowing for weaknesses and strengths, and all bonuses would be predetermined. The actual bonuses here were just to show the concept, I have no idea what they could actually be.

Aside from that idea, I think the concept of pure Lockdown would allow for the better team to win instead of the team with more resources to spend towards getting their Skolver Coats, heart trinkets, and four ASI UV'ed weapons. I would love to see this idea come to fruition, +1!

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 16:24

#10

Neodasus

Knightmare runs skelly jelly

Knightmare runs skelly jelly just to make the haters mad

They see me skelly, they jelly...

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 16:53

#11

Skold-The-Drac

@ Treizeknight

And you also realize that more often than not the people who decide to play t1 LD don't do it for UV's and domination? They WANT that challenge... I've seen players with heart trinkets and heavily UV'd T1 gear drop them because they wanted to have a challenge. Those that decide to bring UV'd gear to games and keep it also get to find out that the other players will focus on them... and suddenly get UV'd heavy hatchets...
So, back to saying T1 LD is a fairly clean LD.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 06:21

#12

Pootisspencerhear

I agreed Kee,we need a clean

I agreed Kee,we need a clean lockdown without some cheap autoaim and UV whores.

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 08:20

#13

Skullerdan

i use

I Have a DA and a BTB which use in T3 Lockdown... The DA has ASI Med... i got it while crafting so i don't have much choice but to use it... i use one 5* pendant and I don't play with Auto-aim.... but i agree to this (cleaning Of LD) NO UVs and Maybe NO Trinkets.. it sucks that some people are only good players due to their UVs... i have when you go one on one with someone who has ASI, and before you can even strike your sword... your dead!!! maybe there should be a separate LD for those who want to play with UVs ... i got really turned off from LD and i know a lot of people who did as well due to all those UVs!! Looks like only the rich benefits from LD at times!!!

I have no problem with Auto-aim i don't use it.. but i don't have a problem!!
UVs can just be disable instead of people having to get clean new equipment!!

Wed, 02/01/2012 - 09:07

#14

Uuni

Trinkets ruin the game.

Trinkets ruin the game. Striker with more hp than guardian is just plain wrong. Auto aim is not that much of a problem, striker lag abuse is even worse, add a small cooldown to striker charge and it's fine

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:31

#15

Skullerdan

i bump this post because i Like It :)

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Mon, 03/19/2012 - 11:51

#16

Hijadestone

i sorrta agree

i sorta agree but uvs are not a problem in LD2 pendents are tho so i think pendents should be baned in LD and yea bring thotodrones and vogs back

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 13:01

#17

Killerot

i sorta agree too

that is sooo true

hey imagine is they made another class as in sriker,defender ,recon and gunner where your speed is slitely incresed and you have more range
..though of course this is against you protest...but dont you think that chooseing the right class at the right time is a skill?

or maybe we could have a pure lockdown and a nomal lockdown...

and maybe we could make a hole new game where people just use guns hmmm i should make a suggestion about this...

Mon, 03/19/2012 - 12:58

#18

Colliu

I definitely agree!

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 15:31

#19

Selenium

I play Guardian with 3* Magic set, and there's usually a Wolver line Striker with 1.5x-2x my health.

This is horribly wrong.

Honestly, I feel like making a thing where every Friday afternoon (US Central time) all the F2P players get on Lockdown with only Proto gear. No trinkets, no Polaris...es... and no toothpicks.

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 15:52

#20

Avihr

there should be both normal and clean lockdown so those UV abusing, white fur clones do not complain.

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 16:10

#21

Kyle-Zz

Its called getting a gran

Its called getting a gran faust and going recon/striker. If you have something in the sealed sword line, just go recon on the skolvers and sneak up behind them and attack. In fact, I do this wearing the dragon set. Its not that hard, I don't get all your complaining :\
Don't hate me for this, just giving my opinion.

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 17:18

#22

Nodocchi

@Rodrigoch The only ones I

@Rodrigoch
The only ones I see complaining are the people who don't know how to play the game. :/

@Selenium
It is impossible for a striker to have 2x your health unless you are not fully geared. As far as I recall they don't even have 1.5x your health.

It honestly isn't hard to do well in LD without heart trinkets and UVs. As for the right gear, if you are not willing to invest in gear which suits your playstyle for LD then why should everyone else be penalized because of it?

Wed, 03/21/2012 - 20:15

#23

Gwenyvier

All armor is assumed to be

All armor is assumed to be level 10.

Striker with just 5* armor has 13 HP. 2 Health trinkets knock it up to 25 HP. Full Ancient and Health trinkets knock it to 31 HP (most Strikers will not use Ancient due to the negatives).

Guardian with just 5* armor has 25 HP. 2 Health trinkets knock it up to 37 HP. Full Ancient and Health trinkets knock it to 43 HP.

The only way for a Striker to have more HP then a Guardian has without any other bonuses is if the Striker has 2 HP trinkets and Ancient... or if your gear is not leveled.

~Gwen

Thu, 03/22/2012 - 08:59

#24

Severage

@Nodocchi:

Rather, the only people you see complaining are those that haven't purchased a Sealed Sword or Flourish-line and wolver gear.

That's the definition of "Doesn't know how to play LD".

But yes, Selenium's post was over-exaggerated.

~Sev

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