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Tue, 01/24/2012 - 22:12
Productioninferno's picture
Productioninferno

Just asking which is better, the nightblade line or the faust line? coz I have been doing jelly runs and not sure if is should make the silent nightblade, or the faust, its a hard decision... btw I'm using wolver coat with a brute jelly helm, coz if I'm patience, i an get about 20k crowns in 4 days, sooo... any suggestion?????????

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Tue, 01/24/2012 - 22:37
#1
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath
Faust vs Nightblade

In my experience, the single powerful swings of the Gran Faust have an easier time with things that tend to dodge. This includes Gremlins and other players. The Acheron has problems because after the first swing, the gremlin/player usually leaps back and you cannot finish your combo.

The Acheron works better on slimes because slimes aren't very fast and you can easily land a 3-hit combo. The Gran Faust's knockback isn't as necessary because slimes are not the most difficult to evade in the first place, and they rarely swarm in numbers that warrant a huge sweeping strike. The exception would be something like the Ice Queen Shadow Lair, but shield bumping can work just as well.

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 22:49
#2
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Faust is a 2 swng slow sword.

Faust is a 2 swng slow sword. Great for crowd control in large mobs. This works well in RJP.

But other players swear by the acheron charge. Single target, and if you are skilled enough to to hit two with one of the swings, the acheron wins over in dps. Not to mentio it has a arguably better charge, if not only safer.

Tue, 01/24/2012 - 23:18
#3
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
Big difference in charge attack

Gran Faust: one holoblade that can curse both the target AND the player; slow charge time, slow movement speed when charging, high risk, not enough reward

Acheron: 5 Polaris-esque explosions; faster charge time, full mobility retained while charging, low risk and high reward if enemies are grouped together

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 07:06
#4
Bopp's picture
Bopp
frequently asked question

This question has been asked countless times. My answer is in the "Shadow swords" section of my sword guide. You'll find that my answer is the exact opposite of Traevelliath's.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 08:54
#5
Nordlead's picture
Nordlead
Either works great for RJP. I

Either works great for RJP. I use an Acheron but my real tactic for making it easier is Voltaic Tempest (or Ash of Agni if you have one). All those mini-jellies do damage to surrounding jellies every time they are shocked. All of those monsters tightly packed together adds up to a lot of damage. Since they can't move as well when shocked, you can charge up a Acheron and unleash it through the center of the pack killing almost everything. Same could be said of the Gran Faust, but then you risk cursing yourself.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 19:59
#6
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Fast swings are better for

Fast swings are better for dealing with dodgers and jellies typically, letting you chase them and shield-cancel without many concerns or being slowed down. The only time I would consider using the slow swords over fast swords is when using my slow-sword Highlander build, and only then because that's built around making them hit fast; that works becasue it hits at a reasonable speed while KBin' things away enough to avoid counter-attacks, or KBing gremlins away so they miss their second combo hit.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 21:35
#7
Bopp's picture
Bopp
what does that mean?

"so.... the Gran faust is stronger than the Acheron?"

What do you mean by "stronger"? If you mean "better", then I would answer "no". There are some situations in which I prefer GF, but overall I prefer Acheron. So please elaborate.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 22:00
#8
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath
Acheron...

I love my Acheron more, and disagree with what most people said above about it being better on Gremlins. I can barely get my second strike of my Combo to hit a dodging Gremlin, while slimes act like they are on a bungee cord and automatically snap back to me whenever I do my three hit combo as if to say "It's ok, you can kill me! You need these crowns more than I do!"

Gran Faust has more damage per swing, but I like the Acheron's increased damage. There are few cases where you get swarmed/surrounded by enemies weak to shadow, which is where heavy swords like the Gran Faust really excels IMO. Even when I'm surrounded by Slimes, the 3-hit combo of the Acheron is effective in carving a path out, as long as you have the presence of mind to carve a bloody/pinkish path out of the melee instead of shielding and praying.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 23:13
#9
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
Idk how you have trouble

Idk how you have trouble dealing with slimes with an acheron, I find them harder with slow swords. Just gotta time it to their attacks, keepin' in mind that when they attack, they rush forward and wait a half second before attacking. The rush/tackle isn't the attack, it's the wobble that comes after it, so blocking their rush then goin' to attack will get you hit. let them finish their full wobblebarge then attack them and they'l be dead before they get another chance.

Wed, 01/25/2012 - 23:25
#10
Traevelliath's picture
Traevelliath
Wah?

Um... I have an easy time with Acheron against Slimes... Slimes always stay within melee range no matter how many times I swing my Acheron at them, ensuring that all 3 of the attacks hit.

Thu, 01/26/2012 - 01:09
#11
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
The problem against slimes

The problem against slimes with me is that when they wobble to the side or backwards, your first hit might clip them, but leaving the second hit as a miss, then they launch in and get you durin' the recovery, which I find is never a problem w/ gremlins, 'cuz they always try and just swing forwards/slight-flank and every swing always catches them.

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