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[FSC] Combuster vs any other Brandish

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Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:31
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic

I love my Acheron, so I was thinking about picking up an elemental Brandish to use in FSC. However, I noticed this:

- Combuster cannot ignite anything in FSC besides the Trojans, but enemies can suffer the full blast of the charge attack.

- Glacius might be good, but enemies will be frozen in place after one or two explosions and can't "ride the lightning".

- Voltedge could be useful because of AOE shock ticks, but it suffers from the same drawback as Glacius.

So what should I pick? This isn't a real Brandish comparison thread, it's just Combuster vs the other two Brandishes. If you get what I mean.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:43
#1
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
It's all the same, really.

It's all the same, really. Combuster is easier to get, and has the advantage of a full ride. It's also a great elemental weapon in construct areas. I don't use them, so I have no idea how much damage the explosions are. Glacius just does less damage than combuster and voltedge. The voltedge, when inflicting shock, stops the enemy from moving. Basically, as shock is applied, the first tick starts almost immediately. Thus, it suffers the same problem as the glacius, which stops movement when freezing. But the voltedge has the bonus of additional damage, and aoe at that.

Combuster>Glacius/Voltedge if you don't care for status and cc, and just want to inflict lots of upfront damage. Voltedge for the mic in between, and then glacius if you like to play around with your enemies.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 20:50
#2
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Grenze
My opinion.

Well it's not about riding the lighting in my opinion, sure one charge doesn't hit every single hit, but of they can't move you get all this time to charge it up again and aim your charge to hit more enemies thus creating a scenario where you are just pick angles in which to explode upon a crowd. If you are getting one for damage, they all do the same damage sides the Acheron but if you want the status to do something Combuster is meh, I mean Glacuis freezes what feels like everything and you can sit right next to them and almost be like a kid at a candy shop picking what you like best and then charge attack again and again. And Voltedge is just funny to hit a clustered crowd with and then watching the shock surge through a crowd. Sure Combuster would get all the hits in more but it won't matter unless you are solo I think cause the enemies will have to much health to die in one charge regardless.

The sole reason I didn't pick the Combuster is that at FSC and hopefully soon to be stuff with the Crimson Order which is Gremlins is that the Fire won't be good enough in tier 3. Can't burn FSC enemies besides Trojans and if and when that Crimson Order stuff comes out, hopefully tier 3 they will be resistant to elemental damage so use your Acheron there. There was no utility out of it's fire for me in tier 3 where 5 star equipment shines.

End of Opinion.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 21:05
#3
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Dark-Flare
Combuster ftw (longtime supporter)

Combuster explosions should probably do around 100 each in FSC for undead and constructs, so it's great for zombies. I suggest either that or Voltedge for huge mobs, your choice of status over damage, both should work fine. I don't really suggest Glacius because, as mentioned, you can't "ride the lightning." Glacius freeze is also beaten by shiver's since SB's freeze is more constant and has greater AoE (not talking about thaw damage since usually people don't wait for that)

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 22:14
#4
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Poopsie
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"can't ride the lightning" could be a good thing. 1. you can continue regular attack immediately after charge 2. you and your party member could release the charge without chasing down monsters.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:14
#5
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Kedrozo
Combuster <3

I use a combuster in FSC, and I love it. Getting the full blast of the charge attack is a lot of damage, AND you smash them all together to set up your next charge (assuming you're in a group of 4, so they're still alive after the first charge). It's a lot of fun.

I've seen glaciuses used and they seem slightly less effective, since they don't set up the next charge as well. I've yet to see anybody bring a voltedge.

Sun, 02/05/2012 - 23:36
#6
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
oh okay

Combuster then. From what I hear, it's the best elemental Brandish for RJP and IMF, and apparently the lack of usable fire doesn't really hinder the weapon much in FSC.

Thanks for the answers!

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 01:18
#7
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Fallenafm
Voltedge in fsc is the best

Voltedge in fsc is the best in my opinion. I assume you want to use charges, and if you clump a bunch of enemies together, then shock them, they stay relatively close to their clumped formation, while shocking everything that's touching the inflicted enemies. This allows you to prepare another charge and hit pretty much the same amount of zombies. Sorry I can't really elaborate too well right now, as I am tired, but look in this thread for my rundown http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/35039

You can add me and I can show you the differences in fsc if you'd like :)

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 01:55
#8
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Darkbrady
I think it comes down to what

I think it comes down to what suits the rest of your loadout, personally. As an example, when I first started I went with Glacius because it fit nicely into my Shiver strategy (this was long before I reached FSC mind you, when my damage sucked, no useful gear and all I had was two swords and a shiver), letting me shiver everythin' then take out the sword and pick things off one by one without having to worry about unfreezin' everythin.

The only "real" benefit is that the Combuster is more likely to let mobs ride the full distance, but in FSC that comes at the cost of losing the bonus status effect. So if you're ignoring that, then look at the rest of your loadout and see what else might fit it. Are you walkin' in with VT or a shock gun? Combuster is probably better then. Do you have a lack of "aoe" weaponry and/or short radius swords? Glacius might be your friend, givin' some crowd control. Are you goin' in with Vortexes or a plan to funnel with guns? Voltedge could take advantage of the tight grouping.

The swords are pretty much the same, so it's just a matter of picking the one that fits nicest into your loadout and takes full advantage of the abilities it has to compliment the rest of your strategy the most efficiently.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 08:09
#9
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Nordlead
For me it is Combuster. I

For me it is Combuster. I have a Voltaic Tempest, So I drop one of those for shock, and then switch to my Combuster for faster damage. During the rest of the clockworks I'm applying both shock and fire. I'm currently working on a Voltedge, but I still need 79 krogmo coins.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 18:08
#10
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Holy-Crab
Simple, apart from FSC

Simple, apart from FSC Combuster has the most damage out of the three, and by far, fire hurt ennemies a lot. I've used both Glacius and Combustor in the past, and while it's cool to freeze ennemies with a sword, it's kinda useless. Someone will always break your freeze anyways. I can't speak for Voltedge, but shock is just meh, it does less damage then fire, and has very little crowd control.

Also, Combuster looks awesome.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 18:25
#11
Darkbrady's picture
Darkbrady
@Omaroo: Not really

@Omaroo:
Not really disagreein', just nitpickin':

Combuster has the most damage out of the three
They all have the same damage. If you're including the dot damage then that's situational (as below) since shock can out-dps that. If you're talkin' about the charge then that's also a harder comparison, but for straight swings, they're all the same.

cool to freeze ennemies
Lolpun.

freeze ennemies with a sword, it's kinda useless
That's situational. It can be incredibly useful and literally can save lives; it also allows for very safe defensive play when you're up the creek; take greavers for a prime example.

Someone will always break your freeze anyways
That is the situation; assuming you're with a party of idiots who don't appreciate teamplay, then freeze is more easily negated than fire/shock, but if you're with a party that works well with you and actually understands how to play a team strategy, freeze can be amazingly useful at setting up surgical strikes.

but shock is just meh, it does less damage then fire
Less direct damage, but has an aoe component, so hurts all nearby enemies too and will also likely shock them. A group of shocked enemies next to each other will all spasm and aoe hurt each other at once which will completely out-dps the fire. The main thing you should be thinkin' of is that fire dot damage is normal, while shock dot damage is elemental.

has very little crowd control.
Freeze is the crowd control. Shock has little crowd control. Fire has never even heard of crowd control, so if that's what you're after, then Combuster is an even worse choice than Volt.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 04:17
#12
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Fauxhownd
Thing is, why use Combuster

Thing is, why use Combuster at all when Fang of Vog is basically the same thing, only better?

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 04:21
#13
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
What??

Fang of Vog: more powerful charge attack, can ignite enemies with normal combos

Combuster: higher damage per swing, faster swings, charge can be spammed without having to have any fire resist, high knockback with charge because of 5 explosions

Actually, Combuster is the better sword. The only exceptions are the Royal Jelly boss fight and killing Slag Guards.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 06:57
#14
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Stormfast
Glacius user commenting here

Well, i agree and disagree with glacius being redundant in FSC if there's a shiverer around.

Pro: in d 25 top and bottom right rooms, you can perma freeze almost all the zombies by spam charging, freeing up the shiverer to help elsewhere.
help freeze the mobs a bit when the shiv breaks, or the mobs that are out of the shiv,
freeze mobs that are secondary priority to the shiverer ,yet still dangerous (d27, right bottom corner slags, as the shiverer will be shiving the trojans)
perma freeze slag guards

Con: well, in smaller rooms where a single shiv can cover almost everything, meh, you can't do as much dmg.

note: when spam charging with a vanilla (no uv ) glacius, wait for half a second before releasing the charge. If you time it right, the freeze will break just before the blasts reaach them, dealing a much higher dps then just letting the charge go early.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 11:24
#15
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Bluescreenofdeath
@Tammytryhard "Thing is, why

@Tammytryhard

"Thing is, why use Combuster at all when Fang of Vog is basically the same thing, only better?"

??? Really ??? Really ???

Outside of damage type these are 2 wildly different swords. Not even close really. I would not count the FoV as better either...

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 11:42
#16
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Realnight
It's pretty easy to get

It's pretty easy to get enemies to "ride the wave" on the Glacius charge (especially with the slower zombies now) - you just attack-cancel your charge. Anyone not already riding the wave get's another hit to the face and then gets forced to ride it - plus they'll be frozen at the end. I do this to charge loop all the way through FSC and it provides greats clumps of zombies for subsequent charge attacks.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 11:44
#17
Demonicsothe's picture
Demonicsothe
Shock has aoe tick damage,

Shock has aoe tick damage, but does not transfer the status afaik. Otherwise I wouldn't bother bringing shock vials to back up my pulsar in the rocket puppy room.

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 13:28
#18
Vengance-Ichigo's picture
Vengance-Ichigo
Dang still can't decide edited

EDIT: woo, jut took the necromancy off, I'm safe

Thu, 03/13/2014 - 12:43
#19
Poomph's picture
Poomph
THE RELEVANCE. STAHP.

On the bright side, the graveyard isn't as populated anymore.

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