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Wed, 04/11/2012 - 11:28
Pow-The-Commando's picture
Pow-The-Commando

I got the ideas off another online game, but I made them ft SK more with the following modifications:
-No healing from the energy blasts
-Less damage
-Able to have speed changed using ASI
-Made the maximum, instead of over five-star, equal to five-star.
-Made the first variations from five-star to three-star
-Far less overpowered
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Here's an Imgur album of these new items:
http://imgur.com/a/6OxYM
Energy Blades (Normal)
Off the calibur line maybe?
Charge attack: Maybe a 360* spin with an energy blast knocking enemies back but to make it non-OP NO HEALING SELF!
Energy Hammers (Heavy)
Off the troika line maybe?
Charge attack: A forward slam with a knocking-back energy blast.
Energy Guns (Handgun)
Off the blaster line maybe?
Charge Attack: A powerful blast of energy alongside a bayonet thrust.
ALL OF THE ABOVE DEAL NORMAL DAMAGE WITH A DAMAGE BONUS AGAINST CONSTRUCT
Can the powered+ ones deal a minor shock sometimes but still deal normal?

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 12:15
#1
Schattentag's picture
Schattentag
Sorry, but...

...how do these contribute anything to the game? I'm not seeing how these things are much different from the stuff that's already in Spiral Knights...

I guess one thing that's different is the bayonet thrust, but that to me just seems really out of place. Valiance has an attached blade, but its charge shot is still a gunner-friendly bolt, rather than a melee attack.

If you simply want the option to purchase aesthetically different versions of the preexisting items, that's a different story. We do have the Scissor Blades, which are just reskinned Leviathan Blades, so some kind of Energy Sword that acts the same as a Leviathan Blade but has a different appearance should be fine, I guess...

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 12:25
#2
Lunaecho's picture
Lunaecho
Ehhh

So these are uhh... existing weapons with different looks, free construct UV at the cost of less general damage(see WHB and CIV) and new charge attacks? Oh and the suggestion of shock on top of the UV... they'd need even less damage that way for balance.

I think these would end up as unused as CIV and WHB even with the shock.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 13:00
#3
Pow-The-Commando's picture
Pow-The-Commando
The weapons are slower than

The weapons are slower than normal.
Schatten, it's a bayonet thrust and blast.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 14:58
#4
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer
.............

Reskins with free UVs, I see nothing of worth here.

Bayonet thrusting next to useless because the gun blast and it cannot work together without contradicting each other both visually and usage-wise.

No other details are given except: 'TOTALLY NOT OP!!!'

The names sound more like something that would be found on the 'Energetic-Knight' as his personalized weapons than regular weapons.

"Energitius?" Sounds like a disese/affliction.

I'm outta here.

Wed, 04/11/2012 - 15:05
#5
Earthboundimmortal's picture
Earthboundimmortal
iffy

Might be good if they were either cutter fast or avenger slow but i think if they do that, they should make some kind of status ailment special for it.

Sat, 04/14/2012 - 10:39
#6
Pow-The-Commando's picture
Pow-The-Commando
I'll work on these.

I'll work on these.

Sat, 04/14/2012 - 10:46
#7
Pow-The-Commando's picture
Pow-The-Commando
Im gonna scrap up the

Im gonna scrap up the Energizon on Paint and upload it to Imgur soon.

Sat, 04/14/2012 - 10:46
#8
Pow-The-Commando's picture
Pow-The-Commando
P.S. And the Energitius.

P.S. And the Energitius.

Sat, 04/14/2012 - 11:05
#9
Kentard's picture
Kentard
Well, here's my take on it.

The art aside, I don't find this to be a very big contribution besides the fact that all of the weapons are 'energy-based' just because they are cool.

The mechanics are largely recycled, save for the bayonet thrust - it's interesting to give the gunner a melee attack but the weapon itself isn't of much use.
Sure, they attack faster at the cost of less damage and a construct damage bonus, but essentially you're making faster versions of the CIV and Valiance - hey, the Valiance is underused as it is.

My point being, unless you introduce new attack mechanics besides a faster attack rate for lower damage (except to constructs), you're making useless weapons.

Pardon for the demotivational post, but it had to be done.

Sat, 04/14/2012 - 15:51
#10
Juances's picture
Juances
~

I know they are all based on energy, but still, you could use some varaitions on the names, like plasma hammer, unstable sword, laser edge, 'the overcharger', ionized gun, etc.

Just to add a little flavor.

Sat, 04/14/2012 - 21:14
#11
Serell's picture
Serell
We are high-tech robots that

We are high-tech robots that have thoughts and emotions.
...How the heck do we not posses the technology for energy swords?
Guys, who cares about the mechanics.
OOO can make that stuff up.
We need laser swords.

...Then again, we don't even posses the technology for flatscreens ._.
(Look at the core)

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 05:40
#12
Pow-The-Commando's picture
Pow-The-Commando
Replies from an angel

@Serell
KNIGHTS ARE NOT ROBOTS FOR CRADLE'S SAKE!
THEY ARE ORGANIC!

@All who only like stuff in their original games
Who thinks 'this is stupid because its from another game' STFU!
WoW has swords and PVP, and SK is copying WoW that way.

@Juances
Thanks for pointing that out. I thought of the names on the spot in my chair, so all of them borrowed 'energy' I guess we could use plasma instead of energy on the hammer. :D

@All
I suppose the Energetic Knight could carry an energy sword on his back.

I just called the energy hammers 'hammers' to make it sound better. They actually have the appearance of kamarins, khorovods and sudaruskas with different colours.

The appearance of the Energizon is a Voltedge with different colours.

Soon uploading the Energizon and Energitius pic onto Imgur and the first one to actually like my idea gets the spare materials, including the energy repulsator module I collected from a mecha knight. That energy repulsator module is the grey gizmo with the cyan parts. It's a four-star material used for making powered and better energy weapons.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 05:44
#13
Pow-The-Commando's picture
Pow-The-Commando
I just got the construct

I just got the construct bonus because energy usually absorbs power slightly dealing slightly increased damage to robots of some sort.
While the bonus is low,the shock only lasts two seconds and the weapons are slower than normal. (very slightly)

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 07:48
#14
Serell's picture
Serell
@little-cloud :

Look at our faces, you can't blame me for thinking we're robots >.>
The game does not define what we are, and IMO we look a lot like robots.
Now, if you can point me to where the game says we are organic, please do so.

Even still if we're not robots, we got the skylark, i think we should have the tech for laser swords.

EDIT : Also by the way, i have heard rumors that Spiral Knights was first called Tech Knights but was quickly changed, so i think that would prove we are robots. But i am not absolutely sure if this true, if anyone can help clarify this that would be great.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 08:01
#15
Alpha-Stevo's picture
Alpha-Stevo
@Serell

We're capable of eating and tasting things.

We also seem to require calories for fuel.

Sure, we do look something like robots, but we can't just BE robots. Biomechanical at most, or just really Black Mage lookin'

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 08:02
#16
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
I am a robot

Bup barp.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 09:33
#17
Dukeplatypus's picture
Dukeplatypus
Hot edge and static edge

Hot edge and static edge

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 13:34
#18
Serell's picture
Serell
@Alphastevo

Well, we're not true robots, but we are definitely part robotic.
But... How do you know we can eat and taste things?
I have never seen a knight eating anything before.

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 15:05
#19
Alpha-Stevo's picture
Alpha-Stevo
@Serell

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Rock_Salt - Is said to be useful for cooking.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Rocky_Core - Knights have TRIED to eat it, only to lose teeth.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Rock_Jelly_Shield - Emergency source of delicious calories.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Heater_Shield - Can be used as a STOVE, also used for cooking.
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Brute_Jelly_Shield - Berry flavored!
http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Vitasuit_Plus - Not related to cooking, but mentions teeth and hair.

The flavor text in this game is quite DELICIOUS!

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 17:35
#20
Alphacommando's picture
Alphacommando
@Little-Cloud

"WoW has swords and PVP, and SK is copying WoW that way."

I laughed when I read that.
What game DOESN'T have swords and PvP?

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 17:39
#21
Serell's picture
Serell
@Alphastevo

Lol... thanks.
Dang, how could i miss all that xD
Still... i still believe we should posses the tech for lazer swords >.>

Sun, 04/15/2012 - 17:42
#22
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
About reference to organic knights

If you look here you will notice a reference to knights carrying snacks.

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