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Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:15
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker

I had an idea just recently. My idea was- Once you reach 100 mist energy, you could store it in the form of a mist tank for later use.-

I just want to hear from the community about my idea. Do you like it? Do you think it'll work? Post your replies below, I'd appreciate it.

- Neigh-Knocker

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:22
#1
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
So....

I can just take a break for a year and come back with 36500 energy? Sounds legit.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:38
#2
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
You really did fail to read my idea properly.

I said ever time it reaches 100 you can store it, not extend the mist energy bar to 36500... Read before you mock.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:42
#3
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
"New" is used as a relative term

If I remember correctly the mist tank held 500E in beta.

The closest this concept can come to "balance" is for ME to be exchanged directly for CE, which is unbalanced for obvious reasons; if they are not obvious then you should get off the forums and stay on the game for a few more months to learn more.

Imagine a windmill charging a battery where the windmill is set in an area with consistent wind energy to charge it, which in turn charges the battery which has a limited capacity. Now imagine the battery can hold infinite energy forever. That is what this suggestion implies.

"Quick, look, Luguiru is bashing stuff again!"
Yes, I am giving feedback to something unbalanced; quick, call the police to haul me away to honesty jail. Hurr. The truth hurts those unable to accept it and feeds those who seek it. Those who fear the truth burn as they deserve because they refuse to accept reality to continue floating in their ignorant bubble of selfishness. No, this has nothing to do with the current thread, but everyone likes to whine when someone does something for the overall community rather than selfish wants.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:45
#4
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
So true

That is quite true, sir.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 16:55
#5
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
Not as dumb as I look.

I know that you said that it would put it into a mist tank but over the course of the year you would gain 365 free mist tanks @ 100 energy each ergo 36500 free energy.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 08:48
#6
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
I said _you_could_ store it.

I said _you_ which means manually, and _could_ which means optionally. I understand what you mean, but it's not what I said. And your post's tag is totally wrong. You are as dumb as you look for saying that.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 18:39
#7
Serell's picture
Serell
You sir...

Are a waffle.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 19:00
#8
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
Alright then.....

I'm not familliar with the refference, but okay.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:36
#9
Addisond's picture
Addisond
Extending mist tanks? ...why?

Seriously, why implement this? You're saying remove the cap. That's a massive change to the game with few conceivable benefits. Monetary gains balance out across the game economy, though I can sorta see them extending the max to two or three days instead of one. It'd make me feel less commited to play PvE every day and be able to focus more on doing whatever the (I'm editing this because I just learned, evidently, that swearing is disallowed on the forums) heck I wanted whenever I want. But they won't make a big game mechanics changing modification. I don't think.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 20:18
#10
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
"New idea. Want to hear from

"New idea. Want to hear from the community =)"
Well, that's jolly good sir. You want to hear from the community. Maybe if you put your suggestion in the title the community would be more open to hearing from you instead of assuming you are a whiny, annoying 12 year old who is begging for responses on his thread, but only if they agree with him, who doesn't realize that this suggestion has been repeated many times, and should probably play the game for more than a few hours then use the search bar before posting inane topics WITHOUT THE [SCRAPPING] SUGGESTION IN THE TITLE.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 20:33
#11
Draycos's picture
Draycos
I think what this would

I think what this would really help would be players that don't want to use CE. If the cap was 400 mist (the catch is below), players could go through all three tiers without using any CE, theoretically. This could help lower CE prices, attract more players, and make it easier on players that can't start up the game every day.

The catch? Past 100, it'll regenerate progressively slower. Meaning after 100 it'll take 3 more days to get to 200, 9 days for 300, then a full month for 400. That might seem like overkill but it's the only way it could work without causing some severe problems for OOO's income or summat.

Might want to edit out that expletive Aemicus, might get in trouble.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 20:37
#12
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
@Draycos

This makes no sense... You could use 100 mist every day and regen 400 in 4 days, then keep using that money you got from the 100 mist to buy CE, and get to 300 CE in about a week. Or... in your idea you could get to the same amount of energy in a month.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:04
#13
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
...

Oh, look, the Sexist's back on the Forum.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:08
#14
Kive's picture
Kive
@aemicus

you cussed :O

*hits report button*

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:09
#15
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
But will they blend

At least the original poster here is not as obnoxious as the other newer users who harass everyone.

Mist should not be directly exchangeable for money as air does not directly sustain your blood; it has to go through a system first. In our case the system is either the Clockworks or crafting.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:11
#16
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
@Iron

Who is sexist? I hope not me :P

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:12
#17
Draycos's picture
Draycos
Actually, you just proved my

Actually, you just proved my point; it makes sense. Of course you should get more energy from... well, actually playing. Having a system like this would prevent players who don't play every day from potentially 'wasting' mist and make it easier on players that can't play every single day. It regens slower the higher it gets so it doesn't interfere with CE buying and so players can't abuse alts even more.

I never said anywhere that you should be able to exchange mist for CE. Anywhere.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:12
#18
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
...

No, not you, Neigh is.

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/46747

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:18
#19
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
O yeah that thread.

Explains the hostility where I pointed out how easy this would be to take advantage of. Go on for two seconds a day just to bank your energy. Because its not like that's screwing over OOO or anything.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:20
#20
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
@Draycos

Actually, I didn't prove your point, you just switched it so my response would support your new point. Your first point is that you could run the clockworks without having to use CE because you would have 400 mist, which, as I pointed out, is ridiculous.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:20
#21
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
What is this the fifties

This is what I think of all this nonsense.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:24
#22
Iron-Volvametal's picture
Iron-Volvametal
Luigi, you're so Evil.

You know I can't Load Videos on this Piece-o-Sheet Internet. ;-;

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:24
#23
Draycos's picture
Draycos
Oh, that's what you meant;

Oh, that's what you meant; sorry, that was bad wording. What I meant was players could craft 4* gear without ever using CE (and yes there are crazy people who never buy it even with crowns); I didn't literally mean do a Dauntless Delver run or summat.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:29
#24
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
@Draycos

Ooooh, got it.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:31
#25
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
How bout this

For the cheap price of 28kcr people can supercharge their mist tank to 400. It will not start recollecting until it drops back down to under 100.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:37
#26
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
@Mk-Vl

Why?

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:50
#27
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
Because of how rediculous the

Because of how rediculous the idea is. Ce is only 6.4ishkcr a pop. Not that expensive. Noobs just lazy.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 21:59
#28
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
But your suggestion is even

But your suggestion is even more ridiculous. You could buy 400 CE for that much, then have 500 energy.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 22:02
#29
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
That's the point.

These people are saying they want energy for not playing. I'm trying to show (Albet in my own crazy way) that they can get more energy in the same amount of time and get to play the game and have fun.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 22:17
#30
Draycos's picture
Draycos
That's a poor example, then,

That's a poor example, then, because it's essentially the same as buying CE. Which, to boot, would screw with CE prices.

Mk-VI, following my prior idea of slowly generating mist past 100, the positives outweigh negatives. It gives players returning from a hiatus an easier time to get back in the game and ~20 free energy for players that don't play for one more day. Thinking about this past no-CE players, it'd also help friends stay in the same general part of the game if one or the other plays less.

There's only so much you can do with energy, Mk-VI; eventually you're going to need crowns or materials, so players will still have to... play the game to progress.

I admit I'm partially arguing for this because I can't stand not using my daily 100 mist and having 'wasted' energy by not playing the game that day; arguing so not playing for even a single day doesn't feel so... penalizing.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 22:21
#31
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
As for not wasting energy

I usually just grab a game of LD or two and fill it up. Burns half my must energy in 15 min then I can get on with my day.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 22:27
#32
Draycos's picture
Draycos
Except I hate Lockdown and

Except I hate Lockdown and Blast Network, completely and utterly. And I'm running out of materials to craft with. Some days I just don't want to play, at all. Same goes for a lot of my friends in-game.

Sun, 05/06/2012 - 23:01
#33
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
Buy trinket/weapon slot or a

Buy trinket/weapon slot or a silver key (depending on your current financial status) . Log out. Repeat everytime you have 100 mist.

Next time you log in to play, dump them all on the auction house.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 04:27
#34
Draycos's picture
Draycos
Oh, that's actually a good

Oh, that's actually a good idea; never thought that was profitable...

Thanks.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 05:38
#35
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
It's not as profitable as

It's not as profitable as crafting (because a lot of people do it) but it's a lot easier than running around, determining the prices of mats, thinking about what item to craft and what to sell it for.

Plus it can be done from the ready room.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 08:39
#36
Serell's picture
Serell
<('o')>

"I'm not familliar with the refference, but okay."
Mhm. Because i made it myself.
Somehow, you should take offense to that.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 08:53
#37
Neigh-Knocker's picture
Neigh-Knocker
It's not a refference if you made it

It's not a refference if you made it. Maybe you should say "I just made it up, it's not a refference"

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 09:59
#38
Blue-Phaze's picture
Blue-Phaze
I believe that if the energy

I believe that if the energy system ever had to be changed, it should follow something along the lines of Draycos' suggestion.
Anything else is either ridiculously abusable or stupidly useless.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 11:53
#39
Serell's picture
Serell
Mhm.

Waffle.

But Draycos has a nice idea.

/agree Draycos

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 20:36
#40
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
I think we should derail this

I think we should derail this thread with tea. Anyone want some?

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 20:48
#41
Mk-Vl's picture
Mk-Vl
Only if it's

Straight up with no added sugar or flamethrowers.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 20:53
#42
Aemicus's picture
Aemicus
Finally, another

Finally, another purist
*pours*

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 20:54
#43
Arctifice's picture
Arctifice
Let me get this clear.

Once our mist hits 100, we can burn it all and store it as a mist tank for future usage.

Simple enough.

I don't know or want to know how everyone else managed to pull mist tank amplification out of it.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:02
#44
Faronel's picture
Faronel
Ahem

Warning: The above poster does not appear to know how to connect dots.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:04
#45
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
Tanks

Mist tanks are essentially a form of untradable CE. Mist is not CE. Mist is limited to a maximum of one hundred capacity to prevent users from using energy without CE when crafting higher level items (3*+) or purchase upgrades (trinket, weapon, heat amplifier). By allowing mist to be bottled and stored is akin to freezing mist to become crystal, which means Three Rings loses money because people will do this instead of buying CE, which means the game will be easier to profit while Three Rings loses money.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:04
#46
Arctifice's picture
Arctifice
Institute a cost for mist tank creation.

10Kcr.

Seems sensible.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:06
#47
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru
But derp

If it costs 6~7kCr to buy 100CE from other players, why would anyone want to bottle their mist when they could just get crystal for less?

Run through missions/Clockworks to burn mist or craft it up.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:13
#48
Arctifice's picture
Arctifice
Consider it a stealthy way to

Whoops, disregard.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:14
#49
Arctifice's picture
Arctifice
Consider it a stealthy way to

Whoops, disregard.

Mon, 05/07/2012 - 21:08
#50
Arctifice's picture
Arctifice
Consider it a stealthy way to

Consider it a stealthy way to cap the price of CE.

Low enough prices would cause outrage from the Pay to Play community.

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