Spiral Knights - DA/GF speed difference? And what type of lag freezes screens?

DA/GF speed difference? And what type of lag freezes screens?

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Vie, 05/11/2012 - 22:21

Nubskills

Hi guys! I was in ATH asking Entropize why more players use GF than DA in LD besides for Curse, apparently, it swings faster than DA, and he had run tests on this before. Approximately ASI Low or Med, from his findings. After that, I asked someone in FSC whether it does swing faster, they seemed to agree that it does. I'm here to seek more thoughts on this matter, since Entropize seems to be a pretty reliable source, and another player had also agreed on this, but most other places say that the speed is the same.

Also, what kind of lag causes screen freezes(including everyone running through walls) and disconnects? I'm guessing it's either latency issues or slow internet, although my current internet broadband should be fine, judging from the past. It's been happenning a lot in LD, so it could just be my graphics card, I dunno.

Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 03:06

Paweu

DA and GF have the same

DA and GF have the same speed, I can't find the links but iirc Volebamus did the tests and the outcome was something that you could mark as margin of error.
About screen freezes, what you described seems like a connection loss, when it happens you should launch fast the command prompt and ping some website that is near of you (like, lets say: ping google.com) to see if isn't something on your end.

Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 05:24

Nubskills

Nyan nyan nyan nyan....

Ah ok, thanks Paweu, I'll look into the ping thing, hmm, I guess it'd make sense for DA/GF to swing the same speed anyways.

Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 05:32

Venomousbiohazard

Actually...

EVER SO SLIGHTY. GF is faster. Just a little faster, but faster nonetheless. There was a thread somewhere about it, I think it was GF vs DA. I would go back there and have a look. It is faster, confirmed. A person timed each swing for 10 tries and then did the same with DA. The GF was .5 percent faster or somthing..

Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 06:11

Nubskills

Nyan nyan nyan nyan....

Woah, really? Ah, thanks Venom, I'll go try and see if i can do a bit of digging up on that, but if it's only that small an increase...well....hmm......

Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 07:09

Bopp

some data

The Lancer Knightz guild data show that DA and GF combo at the same speed (or even that DA may be slightly faster). But it is possible that the first swing of GF is slightly faster than the first swing of DA; the data don't address that. I've never noticed it.

Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 11:18

Isomorphize

I just ran tests, GF one

I just ran tests, GF one swing faster per minute for me consistently. However I can physically watch the first swing be slightly faster on screen with the GF

-Entropize

Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 20:28

Nubskills

Nyan nyan nyan nyan....

Thanks for that guys, I'll take a guess that it's at an ASI low difference. Hmm, makes me wonder about the speed bar, maybe part of it wasn't a bug? Still, the speed bar shows Brandish speed lol

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 00:36

Coatl

They are the same speed.

People use GF in LD more often than DA because most LDers (strikers at least) in tier 3 are either in skolver (the majority) vog (minority) and snarb (very minority). Since very few people are protected against shadow damage, it is optimal to bring that type of damage to LD. Two swings of GF kills >most< LDers. Therefore, GF kills more people than DA does in LD.

An attack speed difference? I don't really believe there is one. Even tests are fallible and results will often be flawed because of the tester's bias thesis.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 01:00

Fradow

There is one more reason to

There is one more reason to bring GF instead of DA in LD Coatl : this tiny chance of curse, which, once in a while, will curse and kill someone. All the rest being equal (considering you don't charge at all).

I don't believe there is a difference in ASI, but that would certainly require more data. I'm going to run my own test once I find the motivation.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 01:49

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Sypsy

Ran tests in ATH. Max ASI on

Ran tests in ATH. Max ASI on both. No observable difference, with and without shield cancelling.

I also remember seeing someone selling an ASI VH DA for more because he said it was faster than a gf. If you could prove it was cheaper, he'd sell the DA for less. This shows that some ppl believe the DA is faster than the GF, which is contrary to others.

And yes, I am fully aware that this comment had subjective data and minimal add-value to the discussion. =P

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