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Sun, 05/27/2012 - 23:43
Kattamoonchile's picture
Kattamoonchile

First Movie as striker: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qZCKQULe4I

Hey Guys This is my second striker movie, it is some lockdown GvG :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SG9OpZe2NE

"Gunner Video":

Well, I dont play to much with gunner cuz for my bad latency think i are more eficient being a striker, but with gunner i am a little more ofensive that the common of the gunner as you will see, dont running away from the enemy, also the strikers running away from me :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbsIuxzclPw&feature=youtu.be

NEW:
Lockdown movie IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9VNcG6cgfM
Hope do you like it :P
Thanks for watch!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 06:30
#1
Aplauses's picture
Aplauses
I was there!

Woot I was there!! :D

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 07:50
#2
Fallconn's picture
Fallconn
FALCON PUNCH!

yet again, another good vid, keep up the good work! :P

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 08:06
#3
Canozo's picture
Canozo
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Still making mine, Damn you made it faster than me :U

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 11:11
#4
Kattamoonchile's picture
Kattamoonchile
Thanks to all

Fallconn thanks so much, now i am uploading a gunner video that record today, soon will be ready.

Canozo: I just use movie maker seems a litle more easy xD

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:12
#5
Kattamoonchile's picture
Kattamoonchile
New

New Gunner Movie :P

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:31
#6
Tennis's picture
Tennis
Very nice vids! I especially

Very nice vids!
I especially liked your use of switching between Umbra and Storm.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 12:35
#7
Swaggdamax's picture
Swaggdamax
what did you use to record

what did you use to record

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 17:41
#8
Coatl's picture
Coatl
No offense but it looks like

No offense but it looks like you were fighting hardcore noobs while you were playing as gunner.

Like..none of them knew how to deal with a gunner. Or even attemped to do it.

Also, in your gunner vid 7:32 his hammer was a mile off from your location. @_@
Made me surprise face.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 18:52
#9
Saidxp's picture
Saidxp
"Also, in your gunner vid

"Also, in your gunner vid 7:32 his hammer was a mile off from your location. @_@"

thats how chilean/south american people plays everyday

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 18:53
#10
Generic-Bush's picture
Generic-Bush
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I DON'T USE HAMMA!

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 19:15
#11
Kattamoonchile's picture
Kattamoonchile
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Saidxp exactly, i wish OOO fix this :D

Coatl:

This videos where recorder today in ramdoms games.

and yes, the same face of surprise i have everyday when I play ld and people kill me at miles of distance.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:08
#12
Isomorphize
Newflash: everyone has that

Newflash: everyone has that problem. The more dissimilar your connection is to someone's, the worse your encounters will be with them if they have any sort of skill. 1 bar players who know how to exploit their latency can own 4 bar players. I see it all the time. In fact, it seems the lower bar players have advantage often against 4 bar players when using heavy swords/hammers. FF only if they know they can get away with it.

-Entropize

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 20:12
#13
Jaroche's picture
Jaroche
What I love is when US

What I love is when US players start calling hackers, or autoaim noobs, to people with 2 bars, yet getting owned.

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:13
#14
Kattamoonchile's picture
Kattamoonchile
O_O

Entropize when i have 1 bar, i see the others players transporting from one place to another, how this can be a adventage?? (in my video can you see it in the first points, in the lower form) if it is an adventage, so i dont want it, i want just to have 4 full bars.

Jaroche yeah, i see a pics of them calling hackers to feller or other friend.

and who is Newflash ? xd.. Coatl?

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:16
#15
Tennis's picture
Tennis
I live in US and I still get

I live in US and I still get two bars. <___>

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:34
#16
Kattamoonchile's picture
Kattamoonchile
O_O

Tennis amazing :O

Mon, 05/28/2012 - 22:57
#17
Metagenic's picture
Metagenic
@Entropize

1 bar players who know how to exploit their latency can own 4 bar players. I see it all the time. In fact, it seems the lower bar players have advantage often against 4 bar players when using heavy swords/hammers.

You're kidding right? You can't "exploit" latency, a 4 bar player can and will consistently demolish a 1 bar player unless that 1 bar player has an extraordinary amount of skill.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:07
#18
Jaroche's picture
Jaroche
@Metagenic actually players

@Metagenic actually players with big latency "trend" to not be interrupted in time, not sure if its some kind of lag compensation or what, but they throw a combo that can't be cancelled by your hits. I know Sypsy or Smashgear get this kind of weird latency.

@tennis yeah but you're in Alaska, lmao.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 00:22
#19
Tennis's picture
Tennis
Way to tell everybody where I

Way to tell everybody where I live, Jar Jar. :[

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 03:50
#20
Icycloud's picture
Icycloud
I got one bar here ;) .

I got one bar here ;) . Anyone misses my recon in LD ? Been so long since I done LD . Been getting one shot kill by mobs at d3 inferno . Anyway nice video . For true kiting skills, you should use wizard and try d3 inferno . That's true kiting skills .

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 03:51
#21
Icycloud's picture
Icycloud
I got one bar here ;) .

I got one bar here ;) . Anyone misses my recon in LD ? Been so long since I done LD . Been getting one shot kill by mobs at d3 inferno . Anyway nice video . For true kiting skills, you should use wizard and try d3 inferno . That's true kiting skills .

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 04:21
#22
Pieda
You don't exploit a 1 bar

You don't exploit a 1 bar latency, you suffer it. Don't ever say it's exploitable. I would trade it anytime for a 4 bar signal.

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 06:35
#23
Blue-Flood's picture
Blue-Flood
Seems like you're agro and

Seems like you're agro and most of the opposition has no idea what to do! Shame on them. You certainly have the rapid fire trick down pretty well. Didn't get the opportunity to see you really dodge a good swordsman or do much 2-3v1, which are fun to watch. Good to see variety in LD, from you and others you were playing!

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 06:48
#24
Evilduck's picture
Evilduck
I was doing the umbra/storm

I was doing the umbra/storm switch before it was cool. :[

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 07:12
#25
Nubskills's picture
Nubskills
Nyan nyan nyan nyan....

@Entropize
Could you explain on how the latency exploit for 1 bar vs 4 bar works? As a perma 1 bar, I feel constantly disadvantaged, whether in PvE or PvP. It would be awesome to have an advantage lol. Last time I was over at a friend's house, we were sparring in the training hall. His screen was showing me in the middle of the training bot spawn area, while I was in the middle of the pot area. Couldn't really spar properly due to that :'(

@Jaroche I've seen what you mentioned with the unflinchable characteristics a few times, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't apply to most cases. I'm in South Australia, and my attacks soemtimes get interrupted a lot when strikers teleport in my face, and I've seen the same for others who live around the Oceania region too, for Aus and Asia. Could it be an effect of ping difference? As in, might they have already carried out the attack? I can't really tell the difference anymore lol

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 14:18
#26
Kattamoon's picture
Kattamoon
Announcement

well, i announced that now all my videos are disable vote cuz there are most envidious people that vote dislikes, but still continue doing movies for all they like it, if you dont like stay away from me ok :D

Tue, 05/29/2012 - 15:07
#27
Jaroche's picture
Jaroche
@Nubskills ok ok, is not a

@Nubskills ok ok, is not a hack or a cheat... is lag weirdness. Its supposed a lower latency player would cancel all/most of your hits because he's "faster", but there is a "sweet spot", somewhere in 3 - 2 bars as far as I can tell, where you don't get you hits cancelled but both players are taking damage. If he's using a heavy sword and you a fast one, you're likely to cause more damage to him because.

Now if you go too far away (1 bar land) you're pretty much doomed to lag everywhere.

Wed, 05/30/2012 - 00:25
#28
Isomorphize
I am not at all asserting

I am not at all asserting that I would rather have 1-2 bars than 4, as I certainly would not. I am also not saying that this "advantage" is usable often, or even every game, or that it can even be learned much less mastered. Where I said exploit I should have said "are aware of and proud of." I am simply saying that in some circumstances, it is unavoidable or EXTREMELY likely that you will to take a hit by a 1-2 bar player when you have 4 bars (at least this is what I think causes it, confirmed by countless others). Jaroche and a few others somewhat fully explain my thoughts. Sometimes it makes me wish you could sort games by relative latency, though the playerbase is not really large enough for me to get that picky :)

Alot of it has to do with your actions vs the time it takes to register the action against a player with a better/worse connection, and a built in benefit of the doubt mechanism which likely occurs. We all know the feeling of someone hitting us from across the screen- well, us 4 bar players get it ALL the time too from the lower connection players. One player the other day knew he had such an advantage over me, and sort of made fun of me the whole match and it took me 3 games or so to find a consistent way to beat him.

Watch Katts videos more closely, and youll see LOTS of arbitrary GF swings that manage to hit and kill very skilled players, despite them apparently missing on screen, or despite the hit/Katt sort of warping into them. Then go watch Canozo's videos. You see no such haphazardness, but rather smoothness. The smoothness is an advantage 90+% of the time, the warp/arbitrary GF swinging due to low connection 10-%. I think the reason GF is so powerful sometimes is because it has the potential for extreme advantage in the hands of these poor connection players, at times.

I don't mean anyone disrespect (I think every player no matter what sort of connection they have is relatively easily beatable given the right style of play, though I do wish we could face people more similar to ourselves), as many of these players such as Katt certainly possess skill, but these do phenomena exist, and COUNTLESS very skilled players have confirmed it. It should be public knowledge.

-Entropize

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 12:33
#29
Kattamoon's picture
Kattamoon
O_O

Blueflood: Seems like you're agro and most of the opposition has no idea what to do! Shame on them. You certainly have the rapid fire trick down pretty well. Didn't get the opportunity to see you really dodge a good swordsman or do much 2-3v1, which are fun to watch. Good to see variety in LD, from you and others you were playing!

well.. my video has to show peolple how i do the gunner style, a good swordsman (4 bars) easily can kill me from across the middle of screen, the same the hammer in final of my video, but imagine with a flourish. if you cant imagine here is a sample: (many times the range is even more)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoZLFtzHhxk&feature=youtu.be

That happens with GF too, and i dont see any adventage on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbvPgIKJZ3E&feature=youtu.be (playing gvg on eur server)
It is like they are playing with throwing knifes LOL

I am consient of this weirds range, and if we all in equal condicions i must be one of the best gunners, but now i cant, i dont know if this have solution or not. We dont have a server to play (Latinoamerica), or EUA server: 2 bars (latency like my videos) or Eupore server: 1 bars (players walk over the walls, enemys teletransporting, this is injugable)

PD: the same problem i have with striker vs striker but i can handle better, for that razon i play more like a striker.
PD: the same incremented range happens with ALL weapons, with the GF too, soo there is no adventage.

soo there is:

me as gunner (2 bars) vs a striker (4 bars): See the video, can kill me from far away, the only chance i have is bring on him a shock status.
me as gunner (2 bars) vs a gunner (4 bars): I can hardly hit on him, he can easily hit me.
me as striker (2 bars) vs a gunner (4 bars): Hardly can get any hit, but i kill easily, only i have to do is hit in the place he will be.
me as striker (2 bars) vs a striker (4 bars): The same, he can kill me more easily cuz he have more incresed range on his GF and FF. But i compensate with my ff asi high and my perfo max armours, but there is a enormous disventage when i face a ASI VH even more with max defences, i have to use tremendous skills to kill these people.

Thu, 05/31/2012 - 12:43
#30
Blue-Flood's picture
Blue-Flood
Yep, you gota see into the

Yep, you gota see into the future. It's kinda fun sometimes, but after a while very frustrating. This happens with other US players to myself, or people far away from the server using a sword against me. Not much you can do except rage like I find myself doing too much against the so called "good" players. I made several suggestions on just deleting the flourish because it has the biggest advantage in this situation, but the growing trend seems to be just adding more powerful weapons rather then balancing out the ridiculous ones.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 07:21
#31
Kattamoonchile's picture
Kattamoonchile
NEW

Lockdown movie IV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9VNcG6cgfM
Hope do you like it :P
Thanks for watch!

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 08:43
#32
Guyinshinyarmour
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Lul @ putting out a video now, considering it requires no skill to play as is. Shoulda saved the video making until post-fix. :v

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 09:04
#33
Chyeahdude's picture
Chyeahdude
But Gun she wouldn't have any

But Gun she wouldn't have any way for people to see how awesome she is if she did this.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 09:38
#34
Kattamoon's picture
Kattamoon
:)

Guyinshinyarmour dont worry i contiued doing more videos after the fix, now i am working in a 1vs1 movie.
Thanks to watch my videos Guyinshinyarmour and Chyeahdude.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 09:52
#35
Chyeahdude's picture
Chyeahdude
You should 1v1 Exiled for

You should 1v1 Exiled for that movie.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 10:34
#36
Kattamoon's picture
Kattamoon
great!

yeah will be great, if he can play in tier3 i will record that moment :P

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 11:13
#37
Sypsy's picture
Sypsy
Zomg! I saw my party hat! But

Zomg! I saw my party hat!

But it's interesting, because what you see is different from what I see (which is what I find the most interesting).

I have 3 bars.

Notice how when you attack you see the damage bars pop out of them after you swing?

In my computer, when you attack me, I see the damage bars pop out before you swing. This is because by the time i get the information from the server that you attacked me, I'm hit, but to show I was hit, the animation of you swinging has to occur.This also means you don't see the extra 100-200 ms where I've moved away and supposedly dodged your attack. Essentially, the server is picking your actions over my actions. This explains how you can get a gran faust combo off into a group of people who from their perspective were attacking you with a flourish. In my world, I couldn't do that since I would be stunned out of my attacks.

Now, I am 100% sure that if we changed places, we would adapt our play styles to what is most effective, so I'm not questioning your skills, I'm merely observing the latency mechanics within lockdown.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 11:57
#38
Kattamoon's picture
Kattamoon
O_O

Sypsy yeah. i know, seems like are a great variability of latencys and times, some people can kill me from far away, and looks like i kill some people far away too, i dont know how its works (if the number of bars have something to do with) but crearly the guy who the server is picking his actions before others has the adventaje.

well abouth my videos they are not to show "i am so good over others", they are just to fun and show my playstiles to my friends, in this movie i got some kills on you Sypsy but you kill me too in these games, you are a great ld player.

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:13
#39
Coatl's picture
Coatl
It's always fun watching you

It's always fun watching you play striker. xD

Sat, 06/09/2012 - 16:29
#40
Kattamoon's picture
Kattamoon
...

Thanks :P

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 17:41
#41
Tingxuan's picture
Tingxuan
awsome show

im impressed even a gm would be impressed with you

Wed, 07/11/2012 - 18:14
#42
Jmsa's picture
Jmsa
@Tingxuan

Not really...

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