Which has a higher DPS on Vana's mask phases- the DVS or the Blitz? (excluding any UV's and armor boosts)
Specifics:
- DVS Charge vs Blitz charge
- DVS normal vs Blitz normal
- DVS normal vs Blitz charge
(for now, lets exclude the poison factor also)
- Blitz charge > DVS charge
- DVS normal > Blitz normal
- Blitz charge > DVS normal
I don't think it would be wise to discount the effects of damage bonuses, ASI/CTR and poison. This sort of thing can make or break the setup- I believe max CTR on a blitz can allow you to land two charged hits on the mask in a single watering, which tips the scales far in favor of Blitz. On the other hand, a person with good sword damage and ASI (for example, a swords/shivermist role) using DVS would readily out-damage a vanilla Blitz Needle. Therefore, it's probably best to tailor your loadout to a role and play accordingly.
For example, my loadout is Volcanic Demo Helm, Shadowsun Slicker, Barbarous Thorn Shield, with 2x Trueshot and Voltedge/Shivermist/Blitz. I have some UVs, but even vanilla this yields vhigh CTR on the bomb, max DMG on the Blitz, and medium DMG on the sword (might be better to sub in a focus module for either the gun in this case).
Not really discounting damage bonuses, just trying to see if getting a DVS is worth it for the mask phase (making a FSC loadout, and DVS looks fun :P)
So on the mask, normal DVS swings would beat out a single charge from blitz? (basically what I'm asking)
(Without bonuses since mine don't apply to Vana- deadshot mantle and a dragon scale helm)
Dont just make 1 weapon to only use it on 1 specific place and at a a very specific time unless there's nothign else for you to craft.
I believe both have the potential to finish mask phase in one go. Even better when someone does DVS for poison purpose, the other 3 do blitz, this however is not really needed.
If you are going to make a specific weapon for that part, I believe that the volcanic pepperbox is the best possible damage to the mask... although I'm not certain.
I wanted to make a DVS anyways just for fun. Knowing people use it for the mask phase, I was wondering if I should make it a priority on my crafting list (as something actually useful) since I already have a blitz. And yeah @ Poopsie, the poison is definitely a plus, another reason for me to get it.
DVS is fun i should know i have 4 star one but if you want raw damage blitz is best
Dread Venom should be carried by a waterer so s/he can immediately segue into mask damage after extinguishing the mask.
Otherwise, I like my Blitz with gun stuff, or a FoV charge to DVS.
With max CTR you can achieve 2 charge attacks with Blitz if you are not watering, it's pretty heavy damage, DVS can't compare to that.
i have the vile striker and i like it a lot also i think that a DVS charge might beat an bitz charge because during the charge of the DVS it has the chance to inflict posion which will increase the dmg of the other attacks. And you have to wait and you walk slow while your charging the blitz so you can easyly die and you still walk fast while your charging the DVS. Also u have to stay still while your shooting the blitz.
No Alynn, that guy is always right because he is elite.
I bring DVS with my FSC hybrid sword/bomber build, but I don't bring it because it is especially good...at anything, I bring it because it is fun.
So... it seems the conclusion is that:
- a CTR'd Blitz (where you can pull off 2 shots) out damages the DVS
- a normal DVS vs 1 Blitz charge are about the same
- DVS is good for segueing from watering
- DVS is fuuun
thanks everyone!
Nope.
-With CTR you can do something like triple DVS's damage with two charges.
-A Blitz charge always outdamages DVS.
-You can water and still land a charge with Blitz, just not two.
-I find Blitz to be incredibly fun. I bring it everywhere. Hell, I do Candlestick with Blitz.
Blitz charge does about 200X15 = 3k damage depending on trinkets. So 2 charges do 6k damage.
I don't use DVS but I have seen it doing also about 200 dmg per hit. But how many times can you hit? To match Blitz it has to land at least 30 times.
Since everybody here failed to give an answer, I will handle this. First of all, he doesn't want overall damage with CTR, he wants to know which does more damage TO vana's mask, not how many chains you can pull of in 5 seconds. I have just finished a vana solo, and have come back with results.
1: DVS Charge Vs. Blitz Charge
Vanaduke's mask has resistance to anything EXCEPT normal damage, so using a blitz is pretty foolish, it like using a blitz on a Giant Lichen colony, but your probably thinking "The charge's needles, there are 15, so it does way more". The answer to that is a no, 1 charged needle does 37 damage, multiply that by 15 and you come up with 555. For the DVS's charge, there are 5 hits, each hit does 154 damage, multiply that by 5 and you get 770, add the phantasmal swings, and you get 1,080. that's 525 more than the blitz, Because DVS does normal damage (plus, don't forget the poison! Add an extra 10% to the damage). And that makes....
DVS Charge > Blitz Charge
Next:
2: DVS Combo Vs. Blitz Combo
Blitz does still do piercing making it non-effective. So lets just get to damages then, shall we? For the blitz combo, there are 12 needles in all, 6 for each push of the attack button, each needle does 24 damage, making a total of 288. But, each hit of the DVS combo (5 hits), does 170 damage (includes the phantasmal swings). Getting a total of 850 (poison, still, can change that). So....
DVS Combo > Blitz Combo
Final:
3: DVS Combo Vs. Blitz Charge
It's been fair up to this point, charge for charge, and combo for combo, but can the DVS's combo beat the Blitz's charge? This answer is: Yes, it can. Simply just take the numbers from above: DVS combo does 850, and blitz charge does 555. So DVS still beats blitz by 295. So in conclusion....
DVS Combo > Blitz Charge
In finality, The DVS beats the blitz on vana's mask in all manners, whether comparing it to the charge or combo. It is definitively one if the best swords, (Next to Leviathan Blade) To destroy Vana's mask.
Took me 24 mins to type this monster comparison :}
Crush vana for me the next time you visit him,
Gianor of the skylark
To correct some of your numbers.
Blitz charge w/ max damage = 239 x 15 = 3,585 damage. Or 2,505 more than your DVS charge.
Where did you get 37 from? Even with no damage bonus, it would be well over 37. The mask phase may resist non-normal damage, but it's not by that much. You only think so because the numbers are grey.
Soo... Blitz charge > DVS charge.
Mask is slightly resistant to everything but normal. Damage numbers are bugged, like how the first swing in a gf/da combo can be yellow, while the second swing blue. Just like how vana takes slightly more damage from piercing attacks during body phase, but not as much as wolvers or fiends. Your numbers are bs.
I'm guessing you've never actually fought Vana, have you? The resist is 5-10% at most.
Just trying to promote DVS as a good wep, all people do is blitz, and it drives me insane. :(
Nobody said dvs is a bad weapon lmao. It's great in its own way. Waterball, combo, go get another water ball and continue chain poisoning it.
Gianor said, "Just trying to promote DVS as a good wep, all people do is blitz, and it drives me insane. :("
Er... promoting DVS with false information/lies?
Welp, finally got off my bum to test Volcanic Pepperbox on Vana's mask phase.
Volcanic Pepperbox (+4 damage): 174 per charged shot, 2610 total charge damage.
Theoretical Volcanic Pepperbox (+0 damage): 136 per charged shot, 2040 total charge damage.
Blitz Needle (+4 damage): 211 per charged shot, 3165 total charge damage.
Theoretical Blitz Needle (+0 damage): 165 per charged shot, 2475 total charge damage.
Well, Pepperbox has come the closest to competing with Blitz, only falling a mere 435 damage short with no bonuses. Oh well, at least you get bonus style points.
Yep Pepperbox is quite stylish... screw the blitzers, VPB all the way ^_^
Anyone? :<