Can't play a decent game of LD without some [bucket] coming in with an ASI high snarble barb + heart pendants ruining my entire match. I play in tier 2, and I find it pointless to even bring trinkets. It's like they can't play a good match without life support stuck to them. Yes, I know this is all just me ranting, but it's annoying.
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I don't see an issue with it. If the other person took the time (or money) to get the stuff, then they should get to use it.
@Varmin It's Lockdown. You can't bring a shield...
UV's kinda make me rage a little. But not too much. Anyone can get them. Sometimes it can take a whole lot of money, sometimes a little. A guildee of mine rolled a CTR VH on her Radiant Sun Shards. I think it only took her about...3 rolls... I forget. But not much. And It only took me a week of alt crafting to get a Troika with ASI Low :D Still not sure if I should craft it into a Suda or try for a better UV.
Now, Trinkets...
I HATE trinkets... I can list countless battles I could have won if the opposing team didn't have penta-heart trinkets. I hate how they can rush in and afford to take a couple hits, while two to three hits from any sword will kill me. But... They're not that expensive. You don't even need to buy recipes for them. So I plan on getting trinkets later in the future.
Do you know what makes me sad? Misplaced apostrophes, that's what.
Screw you, OP. Screw you.
It depends on who has the UVs and trinkets. If an enemy has high UVs and strong trinkets, then you have a reason to absolutely HATE both of those things. However, if you have the power, it's much better, right?
If a person has very good UVs and trinkets. Try to find their weakness in their class and use a vaporizer (shock mostly preferred) to cause them to stop a lot. They will sometimes run back to their base to get rid of there status.
EDIT: bad news is (you need to run built to destroy mission 5 times or buy it from the AH)
Nothing different from having to craft weapons and armour.
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@Varmint....(yeesh what a name)
Unless you encounter a player (like Thrillhaus) with stun (and probably shock) max armors then no vaporizers can save you. If that player have higher ASI on his/her flourish or snarble barb than yours, then hope that luck is on your side.
I suggest that the OP should play some other PvP games like TF2 if he is annoyed. Trust me, playing LD in the current state will give you more headache than fun.
Naow, Im the guy who walks around as a striker with no trinkets at all, and i still can kill ALL the pros half the time 1V1 Anyone with UVs/ trinkets are actually still possible to kill. You just need skill. And lots of strikar boost. Other types like recon and guardian CAN kill strikers too. Its possible.
Striker boost is important, if you use it to move, you might stumble into a pro enemy with full striker boost, and you have none. he will ninja you all over the place over 9000 times into all various sorts of shapes.
Oh, and didnt I kill you before? :D
Naow, Im the guy who walks around as a striker with no trinkets at all, and i still can kill ALL the pros half the time 1V1 Anyone with UVs/ trinkets are actually still possible to kill. You just need skill. And lots of strikar boost. Other types like recon and guardian CAN kill strikers too. Its possible.
I believe you have never faced the likes of Thrillhaus,Goofio,Canozo yet or you would be singing a different tune.
So tell me, as a guardian how should I swing my flourish to a striker who can swing his flourish so fast it gives me absolutely no chance of retaliation?
What should I do against a player who is immune to minor shock/freeze/stun/fire?
My playstyle is NOT offensive but support/defensive,so striker is out of the question for me.Hence brandish is the only most reliable sword that can bring down even the pros down to their knees.But they are predictable and easy to dodge.
Skills does matter, I will not deny it. But to think in this game it is the only defining factor in a 1vs1 battle(or in any case), well try using a cutter on a striker with 2x penta heart trinkets and get 20k damage out of it.
I await for your reply.
I think its kind of ridiculous people keep whining about stuff like this. Look: Other people spent their time and/or money to equip themselves with something to get an advantage over you. You did not give as much time/money and hence you will be at a disadvantage. Don't complain about others being unfair because they "polaris spam" or "cheap with ASI" (ill admit I call out ASI alot, but it interesting how many Max ASI's there are out there.)
And the one that ticks me off the most is calling someone a noob for one of these "reasons". It doesn't make them less skillful and reliant on extras to win, it shows that the put more effort/money into the game and were dedicated to this certain aspect of it. Oh, btw, don't say that you wouldn't use trinkets or UVs, because I KNOW its on your to-do list somewhere, so when you do acquire some, let me know to call you out next.
Still, even with all these UVs and stuff, I'll admit the game would be a lot different, and much more fair should UVs and trinkets have no bonus effects during the game. And taking off Auto-Target would be another good step, but not everyone uses a mouse to aim, so I guess it is needed to keep the game somewhat fair (to an extent)
I think its kind of ridiculous people keep whining about stuff like this. Look: Other people spent their time and/or money to equip themselves with something to get an advantage over you. You did not give as much time/money and hence you will be at a disadvantage. Don't complain about others being unfair because they "polaris spam" or "cheap with ASI" (ill admit I call out ASI alot, but it interesting how many Max ASI's there are out there.)
And the one that ticks me off the most is calling someone a noob for one of these "reasons". It doesn't make them less skillful and reliant on extras to win, it shows that the put more effort/money into the game and were dedicated to this certain aspect of it.
This confirm what Fehzor has been saying for a long time; Lockdown is essentially pay-to-win. The one with the most money will win over those who have less wealth even if one of them is equally skilled. Big hint: Status UVs that make a player immune to a mist bomb. If someone with all status resist UVs at max pops in, the bombers are screwed severely.
Therefore to say that this game's PvP is close to being "balanced and competitive" is nothing more than a myth.
P.S: The best UV I have is CTR high on my Acheron.But I still need the support of my Glacius to make it close to being as effective as a flourish with high ASI. And my CIV have ASI medium yet it fails miserably in LD; both in its normal swing and its charged attack (thanks to the invincibility frame for blocking away its triple hitting charged attack). Pretty balanced huh?
@Infidelslayer:
I remember playing you the other day. I guess that's why my name appears here, since I am not very good at Lockdown.
My advice: most people don't have all status resists on one piece of armor. You can counter status immunity by using two mist bombs at the same time, so that no single piece of armor can resist both statuses. A good combination would be something like shock and stun, or shock and poison. Perhaps even consider adding fire to a combination? I don't think I've ever seen somebody use fire and poison at the same time... That would be pretty weird.
If you don't want to use 2 mist bombs at the same time, you will probably have to change loadouts frequently because people will change their armor to counter (I did this when we played). Or, you could work in tandem with another bomber.
EDIT: I guess one way for an entire team to counter all mist bombs would be to have at least one person with immunity to each type, but that would probably only happen in a guild vs. guild match.
@goofio it wouldn't be necesarry for people to be immune to one type when you can make it so that your immune to two or more, or maybe just immune to most types. well techincally you can't be immune, but you have max out the resistances to it.
I have a snarby with max fire and max shock resist, pair this with a divine veil (i have posion low, need a new uv on that one) and i have fire and shock at 6 bars (though it displays both at 5 bars) and i'm resistant to all statuses to some degree except stun and sleep (which isn't in the game anymore.)
Why I don't have a problem with trinkets, especially in Tier 2: They are cheap! A 3-star Tri-Heart Pendant can be crafted with mist energy with only needing 100 CE (can be earned in a day of Tier 2); the Enamorocks are only a few thousand crowns each from the Auction House and you don't need many. The accompanying trinket slots can also be purchased over two days' mist with 100 CE used, or you could pick them up for a few days' worth of crowns earned playing that mist. Only the slots need to be re-obtained.
UVs, on the other hand, really do afford more opportunities for some than others. But this is how it goes in almost any MMO. Skill and experience can be augmented by other forms of investment. If you couldn't, a good number of people would have fewer reasons to try harder. The odds of rolling a good UV are not astronomically bad, either--it just gets rather costly for multiple pieces of equipment. If you care about it enough but still don't want to pay, focus on being able to survive the more difficult runs that give a good amount of crowns or find friends who will assist you.
This is not the end of the world! (The must-have value of Heart Pendants themselves does seem a bit silly and leading to gamer complacency, though...hm...)
@Goofio
You will not find many using AoA because of Vogs and just about 80% of strikers wearing heart pendants.
Poison mist is resisted by snarby set.
And yeah VT is effective but I will expect more regular players taking the route of shock max UVs with the introduction of UV locking. Hence its benefit in long term is pretty much uncertain.
I might as well try out RSS but for defensive purpose it is not a very good option.
P.S: How about boosting status strength of all mist bomb from minor to moderate to counter such status UVs?
"So tell me, as a guardian how should I swing my flourish to a striker who can swing his flourish so fast it gives me absolutely no chance of retaliation?"
Easy: dodge.
As a guardian, your job isn't to kill things, though if you do, jolly good work. Your role is to capture and defend points. If you can tie up a pair of strikers for 10 seconds of them dashing around and back, then you'll accomplish two things:
1. A single slow player will have neutralized two highly mobile players, and,
2. Even with a series of short dashes, 10 seconds is long enough for a striker to run out of boost... possibly while standing next to you. Hit them when it's safe, gun them as they waddle away, and then get your shield back up and start again. Eventually a teammate will arrive, and together you can make short work of your slow and damaged opponents.
In descending order, your priorities are:
- Capture and hold points
- Provide healing and support to make teammates last longer
- Distract enemies and force them to waste their time or attacks
- Wiggle around on the map so that your teammates know when a point is under attack
- Hit things
In other words, the best time to hit things is when you're trapped with a broken shield, far from base, with all your teammates either by your side or dead, and when fighting doesn't decrease your ability to capture points.
I've done ~4 LD matches and I don't find them in the least bit enjoyable.
Part of this I can accept, I have no health as a result of having inadequate gear.
But seriously, I can't do -anything-. 1-2 shot deaths and I'm never even part of a team skilled enough to balance it all out. Been in 4 matches, lost every one.
I wish I could even wear trinkets.
I don't really care about UVs and Trinkets and I'm not just saying this because I have a few of my own.
I'm saying this because once you're at endgame, it feels like you've hit a dead end. You can't upgrade your gear further. You can try to get other pieces of gear, but most of them sit off to the side, unused due to your preferred weapons being... well... preferred. UVs and Trinkets actually feel like you are still upgrading, and still getting more and more powerful.
Lockdown is inherently imbalanced because you can bring your own gear. That's fine! Lockdown requires a fusion of gear and skill. Take Archery for example. You can be good with a basic bow thats the equivalent to some bendy sticks and a sting, and maybe you'll get a bullseye every now and then. However, you'll still be outclassed by someone with a Compound Bow... yet you need more than a Compound Bow to reliably get a bullseye every shot.
@Pauling
I do that all the time.
If I have a choice of sacrificing my DPS for caps and defends I will do it.
Also I am sorry for the lack of clarity.The questions I asked in my previous post is for that situation in which my shield is down and there is no one to help me and I am against a single player.
Anyway guardians have weaknesses that should not have been there:
1) The shield is damn weak. Even a flourish can break it with ease provided the player have max damage (a common case).Also full GF swing can break it like a cardboard box if more than one person is standing inside my shield's AOE.
Dodging works for now, but in my opinion this is just a workaround,not a solution.
2) According to the role of this class, we rely on our mist bombs as our secondary form of defense (low CTR on bombs) . But when someone comes in with a status UV set at max (Stun or Shock or both) then mist bomb becomes useless, thus hampering the guardian's role significantly. Nitronomes and RSS are damage inflicting bombs. They are not as useful for a guardian as they are to a recon.
@ Bella-Donna
I understand that you cannot be completely immune to any status. The discussion was about mist bombs, and immunity to those requires a high+max defense for strikers. Combining the Snarby you have with Divine Veil would not be immune to poison, freeze, or stun bombs.
@ Infidelslayer
Changing mist bombs from low to moderate status would be a bad idea. If people could not have immunity, Shivermist Buster would be the ultimate Lockdown weapon. Players would have the ability to freeze entire teams for the duration of the match, which would be just slightly overpowered. To prevent this, there needs to be a level at which players develop an immunity to status bombs.
For strikers and recons, full Snarbolax without UVs is not immune to any mist bomb. Those classes require high+max resistance for immunity; therefore, you can use Shivermist Buster or Venom Veiler on many players wearing full Snarbolax.
I understand that players can counter fire by wearing Vog, but most strikers prefer to wear Skolver for the sword damage bonus and piercing defense. If you use Ash of Agni and strikers elect to stay Skolver, you will be dealing some damage to many of them. If those players change to Vog, you have won that battle because they lose their piercing defense and sword damage bonus.
The point I was trying to make is that if you are dead set on using mist bombs, you need to develop a strategy to make them effective. I suggested equipping two mist bombs or working in tandem with another bomber. This works because the chance of players having immunity to certain combinations is unlikely.
trinkets are there for everyone to use. There is no gamble to it. Play lockdown enough get the coins you need and then save your ce and voila you too can have penta-heart trinkets. So, dear friend, trinkets aren't worth complaining about.
UVs... eh. They can be a pain but I like to think of it as adapting. I have a bomb for every occasion. :D
If that doesn't work... i have swords too.
:D
Here's a simple algorithm for using mist bombs:
1. Figure out which players you most need to stop. Try a bomb on them, preferably one with an unusual status (don't try ice with skolvers or fire on vogs).
2. If the bomb doesn't work, there is almost no chance that your opponent will have immunity to TWO unusual status effects. Remember that you can define loadouts in advance, and change pvp-marked load outs in your locker room during the match.
I found that most people who complain about trinkets, don't have any.
"If the other person took the time (or money) to get the stuff, then they should get to use it."
ever played a moba or decent multiplayer shooter?
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