Faster and stronger and has curse? No matter if it claims to be stronger than avenger... ignore that for balance's sake. Fix the description/bars but not the mechanics.

Why do people want the GF charge to continue to suck? Why? The damn thing should be twice as quick and half as strong--in other words, more like the Faust charge, which I loved. A super-strong, super-slow attack is pointless when most enemies can be defeated using normal attacks in the time it takes to charge. If I could downgrade my GF back to a Faust, I'd do it.

I don't think the OP's solution is the right one, but I do think a change is called for.

<--- Has a CTR High GF and multiple Curse Max loadouts. No, it wasn't worth it.

FIRSTLY

OOO SHOULD MOVE THEIR FINGERS

And fix dissapearing charge BUG. YES BUG.

1st. The charge is exploding when you are standing with back to a wall/obstacle. It happens with POLARIS, GRAN FAUST, DIVINE AVENGER, SENTENTZA, ARGENT PEACEMAKER, CALLAHAN, WINMILLION, FSC WATER DROP... probably many more.

2nd. GRAN FAUST and DIVINE AVENGER CHARGE IS COMPLETELY DISAPPEARING in LOCKDOWN, no matter where you stay, it also happens on COMPLETLY OPEN SPACE (so please dont tell me 'you are stanging too close to CP' stuff)

Really wish they'd remove the stupid bug with the GF and DA charge attack. Also wish they'd just make the GF charge time the same as the faust's. Maybe nerf the bullet it shoots or something, but at the present time, the charge attack is completely unusable aside from very niche applications, which is pretty damning when it's in the same alchemy set as the DA, which has a pretty cool charge attack (albeit still with issues).

well I think the damage boost is not necessary as faust line is the strongest weapon in lockdown.
Do you really want those derps spamming the faust more than usual?

Faust and GF boost/change
Oh wow. Im gonna give this +1

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And you know it. That sword does not need a buff. No opinion on Gran Faust.

And we know this. . . how, exactly?

Funny how it's one of only two weapons to have a significant penalty to its charge. (And how that other weapon is used solely for its charge.) Seems like a lot of bother for a feature that no one was really meant to use.

Also:

"The whole "bug" with Sealed 4*+ variant charge attacks imploding when your back is to the wall is actually a decent way to balance it against other weapons."

No, it's a terrible way. Effectiveness-wise, okay, maybe, but "a decent way to balance" something needs to be not only effective, but also sensible. Having projectiles mysteriously disappear when one's back is to the wall is an awkward, artificial, absurd, nonsensical, and inelegant way to balance a weapon's power level.

Imagine if Flourish strikes simply did nothing 1/5th of the time, for no apparent reason. That would be a perfectly effective way of balancing their power. It would also be stupid as hell.

"Why is your back to the wall when using the charge attack?"

What a question. Why not? Is it so odd to have one's back to the wall?

"You were probably trying to hit-and-run, which is not how swords are supposed to be used."

Again with the "how things are supposed to be" schtick. How do you know how they were intended to be used?

In any case, the conjecture makes no sense. There's no particular link between hit-and-runs and having one's back to the wall. First, you can hit-and-run from anywhere: back to the wall (actually less usual) or in wide-open space (more usual: you move in to attack, hit, then, well, run). Second, you can have your back to the wall for all kinds of reasons; in fact, it usually means you screwed up and are being swarmed.

Also, swords not meant for hit-and-run? Ha. Cali charge. Brandish charge. Hammer 2-hit (dashing in opposite direction). Or simply: any attack at all, with shield/boost-cancelling.

In fact, swords are the perfect hit-and-run weapon. Not guns, because you, well, don't even need to run: you just kite and shoot, constantly. It doesn't make sense to speak of "hit-and-run" when you can hit from anywhere. Not bombs, because you're not so much doing a hit-and-runs as planting them and then leading the enemies into them. Furthermore, you can't effectively shield after bombing for fear of bumping; with swords, you can shield with impunity once you attack, ensuring a safe getaway every time.

Basically, everything in your post regarding the charge is wrong.

"Its basic attack is faster, the second swing has a chance to curse, and its charge attack is awful compared to its counterpart branch in effects (one projectile instead of three), time required to use the charge, and the risk of cursing yourself upon activation. Are you going to claim the Cutter charge is meant to be used over the basic swings?"

Basic problem: you are describing how an item is meant to function based on how it currently functions. That is not the topic at hand. Obviously the GF (and DA) right now are best used for their normal attacks, and are in fact very good at what they do; only a total scrub would think otherwise. That is not the same thing as their being "meant" to act the way they currently do. I quite doubt that OOO intended for the charges to be bugged and, in the case of the GF, all but unusable. Everything in the game was intended to be used; stuff which isn't worth using ought to be buffed, and stuff which is too good ought to be nerfed.

"It is sensible if you are using a sword. Swords are meant to be used in melee. Melee is close range. Melee is not hiding in the corner like a sissy."

Then they shouldn't fire projectiles in the first place.

Given that they do fire projectiles, no, it isn't sensible--in terms of style and simple logic--to have them sucked into walls for no good reason. It may be good for balance, but it looks and feels silly. (Yes, that is a relevant concern in game design.)

"Flourish is not a projectile creating weapon. I use a Final Flourish in combat almost exclusively for its charge attack whereas nearly everyone merely spams the first swing of its basic combo. The charge has lunging, pushback, and great area of effect damage for its worth."

High-five! Me too. Want an upgrade? I can sell you a CTR VH or five.

My point was simply that something that works fine balance-wise can still be unacceptable for other game design reasons.

"Yes, it is odd to have your back to a wall when you are using a melee charge attack unless you are in a very thin hallway. Sword charge attacks which have distant attacking ability are meant to be used for the area of effect, not in place of a gun."

Not answering the question, which was: why exactly would someone doing a "hit-and-run" have their back to a wall? That's not hit-and-run. Hit-and-run is moving in, releasing the attack, and running away.

Thanks for mentioning the "thin hallway" part, though. Just another situation where, thanks to the wall-glitch, a charge which should, logically speaking, function perfectly well (and in fact ought to be ideal) can fail for no good reason.

"How do I know how things are supposed to be use? I use them, I learn what works best"

Do not pass go, do not collect $200. This is a suggestions thread; it is about how items should be, not how they are now. Of course the GF works fine--if you don't use the charge. The point is that it should have a viable charge. SHOULD. Not DOES.

"I practice that for a while, I compare it to other tactics which may be used with that same item, I test those other methods, I learn more, I reach a conclusion. I do not follow what everyone else does like sheep. I go out of my way to find better and/or new methods while everyone else is whining about Lockdown or something."

And the wisdom you have gleaned from this is. . . DA and GF are currently best used for their normal attacks? Wow. Quick, someone tell the LD whiners to try hitting things with their GFs. I'm sure that's never been done.

Hit-and-run may lead to having your back to the wall if done incorrectly. The majority of our populous is unable to handle tactics. If you are cornered with a heavy sword (Sealed or Troika line; Seerus hammers) your basic attack can sweep them away from you for an escape. If you are trying to use the charge attack while you are surrounded and repetitively being attacked you are doing it wrong.

If the charge attack functioned in a sensible way, it would be a perfectly viable counter to being cornered--not when you're already surrounded, but while the enemies are closing in.

"Calibur charge is meant to be used when surrounded by enemies. The knockback is to prevent them from continuing their attacks immediately so you can prepare another charge."

Yes, and that's best executed in a hit-and-run. Waiting for them to come to you is inefficient: any competent player dives in where the enemies are thickest, releases, and moves to the next optimal attack spot.

Hit. And. Run.

"Brandish charge is meant to be used against less targets"

Uh. No. The more targets, the better. Hitting them is not hard if you have basic kiting ability, or a vortex bomb.

"preferably within the explosion area to inflict damage with a chance to inflict a status (excluding Nightblade line for the status), while the initial swing deals decent damage to very close targets if you can hit more than one at a time with it."

"Preferably"?? If the enemies aren't "within the explosion area", I'm not sure what you're doing. Well, actually, you'd just be missing (unless you manage to hit with the blade and not with the charge--happens sometimes, but obviously one tries to avoid doing that). I think it's quite clear that hitting is preferable to missing, thanks.

Also, the initial swing deals excellent damage.

And once again, what's the best way to use this fantastic charge? Hit-and-run. Get in, unleash the charge at point blank, retreat and repeat.

"Seerus hammers are meant to keep the user mobile while attacking around a target, effectively dancing around them so they are too busy trying to track your movement to actually hit you."

That's one way to use them. It isn't the only way.

"Swords are meant for close range/melee combat."

No kidding. Tell me again why this makes magical walls that suck in projectiles from behind a good design feature? I'm not seeing it.

Oh, and while you're at it, tell me what this has to do with hit-and-run attacks, and why swords shouldn't do them.

"Stop using a clone loadout and look around."

Clone loadout? Crap. I guess I'd better vendor all this jelly, plate, and chaos gear. Who knew it'd get so popular?

OH MY GOD

j/k

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