Currently, I am starting to works towards a Blitz Needle because of my ever-growing hatred towards fiends, the idea of insta-kills with the charge attack sounds very appealing.
Right now I am rage crafting autoguns in hope of a good UV, but after coming across a Dam. vs Fiend med, I started wondering, should I go for damage, or CTR? Should I settle with the Fiend Med? And how much of a difference will it make?
So I guess I'm either going to have to spend a lot of money in the AH, or spend an indefinite amount of time rage crafting autoguns...
Since I'm probably going to just continue to rage craft to save money, (I'm very conservative when it comes to games like this) I'll just work on other fiend slaying weapons like BTB or DBB. In fact, I already have the 4 and 5* recipes for the BTB and 4* for the DBB that I got during CW runs for the sole purpose of saving money on recipes...yeah, one step ahead of myself...
I still need to buy the 3* recipes which I refuse to get from the AH. They are basically triple the price! People these days wanting to make money...
Well if you do go with the Seerus mask,you'd only need ctr:med, which is...well, not too expensive, and they're fairly common due to the high supply of ragecrafted autoguns. Other than that though, ragecrafting yourself is always an easy option. ctr:vh (without the mask) will cost a hairy fortune though, and not likely come up any time in your own crafts.
Most recipes are available at the HoH; only the token ones are the issue. Although I'm not sure what's possessed people to sell recipes at the prices they do, these days. Before HoH the AH recipe market was about a 10~25% markup, whereas now that recipes are far more accessible than ever, so many people seem under the delusion that 100% markups are acceptable. Baffles me, personally.
But aye, you won't need to AH recipes for the Blitz; just hang around until you get to the appropriate mission lobbies or unlock the required HoH (the wiki has information on which vendors sell which specific recipes) and you should have your recipes at base prices.
Either way though, having the CTR on an autogun will certainly be worth it, as the time between even ultra and max is noticeable, considering you basically just spam the charges~
Not so expensive, but still a nice chunk of change for the average player.
A cheaper alternative would to to use the Seerus mask, a CTR Low Autogun (really cheap), and a Chaos Cloak. Or just Seerus, a non-CTR Autogun, and one trink. (Note: Using trinks works out to be more expensive in the long-run, so it's only a "cheaper alternative" if you were going to use trinks anyway and have multiple guns that will benefit from the CTR.)
@Darkbrady: Simple supply and demand. Way fewer people doing T2 runs now; therefore, way fewer 3* token recs to go around. Personally, I never AH my 3* token recs unless I'm fairly confident (given the other recs up at the time) of getting about 20kcr for them.
@Derpules: with the token recipes I get it; less people doing runs, less recipes for the AH market. What I don't get is when I see a dozen different non-token recipes AHd for 50~100k. 100k SB for a Skolver coat recipe? I think not.
/baffled
It's because they're non-mission lobby recs. There are always some people who want the recs ahead of reaching the appropriate HoH mission, and others who don't really understand HoH to begin with. My Vog and Skolver recs have gone at 45-60kcr depending on what else is up at the moment.
Yeah, I'm one of those guys.
/me slaps Derpules
And people complain that doing arcade is pointless, then pay 60k for a recipe that used to sell for 28k. They should be ashamed of their faces~
a damage uv vs. fiends or undead on a gun is kind of a waste because you want to wear shadowsun against them anyway, for the shadow resist, and shadowsun comes with general damage.
anything more than medium on a damage uv. vs. fiends or beasts is wasted if you are wearing both pieces of shadowsun.
damage uv's vs. gremlins, beasts, slimes and constructs are a little better, because your piercing and elemental armors come with attack speed, but even then, general damage is better because it increases across all mob types and affects bosses.
bosses don't have a creature type as far as i know.
also, as several people have already said, ctr is simply the best uv for an autogun.
it's cheapest to save up 100-150k and buy a medium off the auction house.
you don't really need more than medium, especially if you are going to run seerus.
Yeah, I wasn't talking about getting the needle recipes from the AH, I am perfectly capable of buying them in the HoH. That was just me getting off topic and talking about boss weapon recipes...
Raunwynn: Since I am getting a Blitz for the sole purpose of killing fiends, I don't see why a dam vs. fiend med plus Shadowsun would be a waste, Max damage against them doesn't sound too bad. And if I got higher than medium, couldn't I just simply switch out a part of Shadowsun for one part of my Vog? (I am still going to get that CTR med or higher though, and I still refuse to get it from the AH...)
And it is actually cheapest to ragecraft, since you make a small amount of profit by selling the duds if you use all your mist.
Also, all bosses except for Vanaduke belong to a monster family
Snarby: Beast
Twins: Construct
Jelly King: Slime
Ice Trojan-Dude: Fiend ( Forgot his name...)
Big Iron: Construct
I don't care about the OCH bosses since I don't have the expansion....
Any specific family monster damage bonuses are still waste for me. Sometimes, you just want to blitz kill everything except slime and construct. And 1 monster family damage bonus is not enough.
One med damage to fiend (weak against piercing) on tier 3 could differ around 20 - 30 damage. (like from 250 to 270)
Blitz still the best damage dealer 1 on 1 versus Gremlin, Undead (even elemental damage sword couldn't really win)
On another note, you don't really need an UV to be good!
If you manage to get trinkets, you should be fine even without any uv at all. You can go something like shadowsun set + 2 ctr trinket (yields ctr vh, damage vh), or OCH mask, shadowsun slicker, 1 ctr + 1 damage trinket (yields asi low, ctr vh, damage vh) or any other gun-buffing loadout. (I should say, after playing vana numerous times, I bet you don't even need the fire resistance hence you can equip whatever you want)
Blitz without any damage bonus still can one-shot trojan (the most highest hp fiend) but all of 15 bullets charge need to connect/do the damage in 4 members party. Damage bonus only gives you more forgiving situation.
tl;dr meh it's your choice.
Also, big iron is not construct, most likely no monster family too. Killing him easily with blitz needle.
it's considered a waste because you'd need to switch your otehr gear around to get CTR and rely on the UV for damage, which will only be specific to one family, whereas you could have CTR on the UV and have damage from your other gear, which will apply to all damage types, thus more economically sound, especially if you'd ever use it against anything else.
Also, for the sake of a boss-hunting gun, Pepperbox>Blitz.
"Since I am getting a Blitz for the sole purpose of killing fiends, I don't see why a dam vs. fiend med plus Shadowsun would be a waste"
You mean you won't be using it against Vana? >__>
"And it is actually cheapest to ragecraft, since you make a small amount of profit by selling the duds if you use all your mist."
Only if you're crafting on alts or if you often don't have time to use your main's mist. If you're using your main's mist when you could otherwise have used it to run missions/clockworks, you're effectively making a loss.
So far I have only gotten:
Dam vs. Fiend low x 3
Dam vs. fiend med
Dam vs. undead med
Yeah, it's trying to be good in FSC...
Oh, yeah Vanaduke...It will be nice to be able to damage Vana for once instead of making him waddle around in circles with my Shiver. (Although I do enjoy watching that...) If I was even getting the fiend med I wouldn't really care that much about the loss in increased damage on Vana, but since I am getting CTR Med that is irrelevant..
Do you consider having an alt and only being able to play on weekends a good enough excuse to ragecraft?
Havnt read through all posts, butehmm ehhh Blitz charge kills a trojan in a 4 party. whats the deal with Fiend UV?
If u want both CTR and Fiend i do have a Blitz [CTR MED + Fiend MED] for sale
Presumably the OP has in mind situations where he would not, without the Fiend UV, have damage max.
Blitz is most useful when the charge is used, both in killing fiends/beasts and attacking vana, so CTR is critical in effective usage of the gun. Giving a fiend:bonus will mean you'd need to get the CTR bonuses from trinkets or the Seerus Mask, which would deny your ability to add damage trinkies to increase the overall damage of the gun, especially against non-fiends. It's much easier to get CTR on the gun, then apply damage trinkies and sets elsewhere that allow you to get higher damage output against everything, including fiends, with the highest possible CTR.
If you get a CTR:med UV and wear the Seerus mask, you'll have max CTR on the gun and still have a suit and two trinky slots spare for damage, allowing max damage as well, should you choose Shadowsun and two Trueshots~