Spiral Knights - No such thing as temporary forum bans? What were you thinking?

No such thing as temporary forum bans? What were you thinking?

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So, 10/28/2012 - 15:47

Galidyn

Hi guys, I'm Serell's brother. As you might know, he quit, becaue he grew tired of how OOO treated their players. When he heard of shard bombs getting a balance update, he thought it was the perfect time to make an ISB, to see how the old would compare to the new, balanced one. The thing was broken as heck, but man, he had lots of fun with it, even in FSC, and shocking skolvers in LD. He said it made him want to be a bomber. He never really enjoyed bombs, but using a shard bomb in CONJUNCTION with other bombs made bombing fun. I played around with it myself on his acc, and it made me want to get a RSS, but I was going to wait for the update.

Then the "balance" update came. All that fun he had with bombs, was lost. He wanted to be a bomber, but it was the shards that made other bombs fun to use. I actually liked how the new bombs worked, it's too bad they got nerfed to oblivion as well or I would have gotten an RSS... I'm glad I wanted till after the update to decide whether or not to get some shards. :/

But the forum ban helped him. He cooled off, and yesterday he thought, "Y'know, I'll give OOO another chance". So he asked the GM's when his forum ban would finally lift, for it had been on for a while. Then he got this :
"Forum bans are permanent. We don't have the ability to grant temporary suspensions on the forums as we do in game."
AKA, "Sorry, we're too stupid to ever think about making temporary forums bans".
I mean... are you guys serious? I can't even.... Sure, Serell deserved a ban, maybe he did need a permanet ban..... but, when making these forums, did you ever think, "Hey, maybe we should make a way to give temporary bans as well, because y'know, some people just need to cool off, don't really need a perma ban".
I've been a lurker on the forums, and I've always wondered why the staff were so reluctant to give forum bans to lots of people... now I know, they're so reluctant because everything they do is permanent... which is just... seriously? Temporary forum bans would help a lot. There's a ton of stupid people we don't want to listen to, and it'd be great to just temporarily ban 'em for week and let them cool off.

TL;DR
Suggestion is : Temporary forum bans, AKA what every good forum has ._.

So, 10/28/2012 - 15:54

Skyguarder

I though Serell was a girl O_O

He or SHE had a girlish hoodie as their avatar. Anyways a week ban? How about make a ban based on how offensive they were.

So, 10/28/2012 - 16:00

Galidyn

IDC how long

Just something that can be lifted. It's rediculous that all forums bans are permanent. Some people just need to GO, but the reason they're so reluctant to ban them is because they know they literally don't have the power to lift it.

Oh and Serell's a guy. A very girly guy.

So, 10/28/2012 - 17:05

Fehzor

Temporary bans are never needed.

They are either malicious, or they are not malicious. If they are malicious, they go around posting their <69 and trolling and making childish forum games and things of that sort. They deserve a ban. They aren't necessarily bad people, but they aren't conducive to the forum and the discussions that take place.

If they are not malicious, then they may from time to time slip up. But they are part of the community, and they are there to contribute. They do not deserve a ban. They aren't necessarily good people, but they at least have some respect for other people around them.

But then thats just my philosophy. Maybe OOO has some kind of idea that people are here until they make 3 mistakes. Kind of like baseball. Maybe forums aren't for discussion... maybe they are more akin to groups of friends- for vaguely discussing sexuality and poking fun at people before tearing the hearts out of random individuals. I mean, people like Serell and Pawn got banned despite actually contributing to the forums a bit, while nothing is done about the horrendous state of 'gremlin chatter', and still others are allowed the freedom to break the rules whenever they feel.

Or chances are that they don't care. That they just put on a show so that we think there are rules being enforced, and that they aren't just banning people who make them look bad. There isn't any reason for them not to be this way.

No disrespect to OOO, or to the fine moderators, of course.

So, 10/28/2012 - 17:20

Galidyn

I think some people just need

I think some people just need a break when OOO ticks 'em off (which they do quite often), and temporary bans would help. Just let them cool down and take it all in. The break helped Serell, but after finding his ban was permanent (BTW, he says thanks for not warning anyone it's permanent), he's going to be giving away his CE.

Serell isn't malicious, he was just angry at the time.

EDIT :
"still others are allowed the freedom to break the rules whenever they feel."
Because it's like you said, like baseball. They're waiting. They don't want to give someone a permaban for saying one bad word, so they wait until they say 100 bad words before they ban them. I'd find the forums to be a much nicer place if they just instantly temporarily banned anyone that broke the rules. Unless of the course that person keeps doing bad things after his ban vanishes, then perma ban him.

So, 10/28/2012 - 19:00

Byas

Wow, I didn't even know that

Wow, I didn't even know that there wasn't a temporary ban on the forums. This needs to get implemented asap.
Lucky for me this is the only forum that I know of that work this way, since most of the time people just need some time to cool down their heads and not a life time ban. Which is probably why this method isn't popular, people normally use things like common sense when creating the punishment for breaking rules... Not that I expect OOO to make sense nor anything like that, you know.

So, 10/28/2012 - 18:15

Thenewteddy

Perma bans are silly. If

Perma bans are silly. If someone gets banned at age 13, they are still banned at age 81. That's silly.

So, 10/28/2012 - 18:28

Galidyn

^^^

Yep, people can do some stupid stuff in their youth, it's kinda silly to ban them forever. (Though at the age of 81, they will probably have forgotten about SK). Maybe perma bans can be just year bans.

So 3 kinds of bans, instead of temporary and permanent.
1. Weekly. First offense. People that break the rules are instantly banned for a week.
2. Monthly. People that get a stack of 3 (number subject to change) get banned for a month.
3. Yearly. People that get 2 monthly bans (number subject to change) get banned for a year. If they do anything after that year that would normally result in a weekly ban, they instead get another year ban.

Though really, the least OOO could do is make temporary bans like every other forum. Accidents can happen, and it's kinda silly no forum ban can be reversed.

So, 10/28/2012 - 18:27

Thenewteddy

I don't know what kind of

I don't know what kind of forum software this place uses but it's nothing like I've ever seen before, and I have over 100,000 posts in my years on the intertubez. A forum upgrade is really needed.

So, 10/28/2012 - 19:11

Juances

There must be a missunderstanding here. I mean, it cant be irreversible.

The GM may have been triying to say he doesnt have the authority to do so or there's some policy agaisnt it.

Mo, 10/29/2012 - 01:00

#10

Derpules

^What Juances said.

How can it not even be *possible*? IDGI.

Even if it's just a policy thing, though, it still wouldn't really make sense. If it's possible to do something sufficiently serious to warrant a temp-ban (but not a perma-ban in-game), why wouldn't the same thing apply here? It can't be that every possible action is either 100% okay or so totally not-okay that you can never be allowed back in here ever.

Mo, 10/29/2012 - 01:46

#11

Thenewteddy

I've re-read the first post

I've re-read the first post and a few things suddenly pop out as fishy.

1 - The GM never said he could not be unbanned, just that he could not be temporarily banned. There are forums where this is the case. To unban it is a simple as doing it manually. Nothing said proves he can not be unbanned manually.

2 - The majority of the post is a complaint. This will not help your, or his case.

3 - You admit to signing in to and using another account, which is generally seen as a no-no.

Mo, 10/29/2012 - 02:18

#12

Asukalan

Ib4 GM comes here and closes

Ib4 GM comes here and closes topic without any discussion, you have right to have ban discussed in public on forum but you must acknowledge support will have do post some details here too:

"Using a forum post to protest a support action, such as a ban, may make it necessary for us to discuss the circumstances of your case in public. We strongly recommend submitting your dispute via the Support Email form instead"

Its only recommended to do it via support mail.

Mo, 10/29/2012 - 07:32

#13

Galidyn

Oh no, I'm not trying to help

Oh no, I'm not trying to help Serell. I just think their policy can be improved.
Anyways this is what he got while asking more questions,
"Currently it is not possible to grant temporary forum bans. Warnings are given in-game in the event of a forum violation and, if ignored, will result in posting privileges revoked."
So I'm thinking, yeah, bans can be lifted. I just think temporary bans would help these forums. Instead of waiting for someone to do 100 bad things before they ban them, they could instantly give a nice little temporary ban after one thing, and if it keeps leading up, then a perma ban.

"The majority of the post is a complaint. This will not help your, or his case."
Sorry about that.

"You admit to signing in to and using another account, which is generally seen as a no-no."
No, I admit to playing on his account. Not signing in. I saw him using the shards, they looked fun, and I asked if I could try them. We're two brothers, what does it matter?

Mo, 10/29/2012 - 16:08

#14

Addisond

For all your (alleged by

For all your (alleged by yourself) grammar-naziing, feh, that looks like a misuse of malicious. >:D

I agree with gal here. Some people do add to conversation, but lack self-control and are quite emotional. Temp bans are helpful in those cases, and a much more effective disciplinary measure than sending messages to accounts that may or may not ever be logged into (in the cases of the people who you actually want on the forums, that is).

Mo, 10/29/2012 - 16:24

#15

Thenewteddy

It's also quite possible the

It's also quite possible the admins decided not to reverse the ban and were trying to be polite about it.

Mo, 10/29/2012 - 16:40

#16

Grittle

AHHHH I see the

AHHHH I see the problem

Serell was becoming a bomber

and you know how much OOO hate bombers
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On a side note, I never knew there was no temp bans, WHAT WAS OOO THINKING!!!! Thats like putting salt into a sugar cookie mix, or put grape jam on a hot dog, or drink cherry flavored cough medicine for a living..

I should really cut the food metaphors

Suche

No such thing as temporary forum bans? What were you thinking?