OK, well I just thought of something that would need to be tested by a bomber.
This is for a vaanduke boss fight.
Basically, since the stun bug fix, could you replace a Shiver with a stagger?
In theory, since he turns slower, couldn't you simply loop around him as you would have to after blitzing him with shiver?
If this is true, should I get stagger or shiver for LD?
In LD, freeze resistance is more common than stun. For Vanaduke, making him completely immobile with shiver is safer.