Spiral Knights - Avoid Scammer Feature with improved Trading-system

Avoid Scammer Feature with improved Trading-system

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Mon, 11/05/2012 - 17:51

Hunterxxy

Hi hi guys...

i hate scammers all the day....

now...
every knight from us know the situation that u wanna buy an item and the other one can not affort the unbindfee,.....
or the other situation.. that u cant affort unbindfee but want to sell some equip?

at that point system will only notify that u cant trade bounded items..... (if u try to select in while trading).....

at that point game mechanic does not work at all correct?----
at that point you have to give unbindfee to an other player who have to unbind the item and then to trade the item to you....

at that point u could be scammed....... because if the other guy run away u cant do anything.....

How sounds a system, where you are able to unbind and trade an item at once???

for Example....

If i select a bounded Voltedge while we are in trading window
a second window will apear like this

|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|still needed 4000ce to unbind.................|
|hunterxxy............................................0|
|pwnswag.............................................0|
|__________________________________|
| Warning: Trade is only possible if all......|
|............... unbindfees are paid !!!!...........|
|-----------------------------------------------------------|

If i now type in like 1000ce then it is like this

|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|still needed 3000ce to unbind.................|
|hunterxxy.......................................1000|
|pwnswag.............................................0|
|__________________________________|
| Warning: Trade is only possible if all......|
|............... unbindfees are paid !!!!...........|
|-----------------------------------------------------------|

IF now pwnswag type in 3000ce
window change likethis:

|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|still needed 3000ce to unbind.................|
|hunterxxy.......................................1000|
|pwnswag.......................................3000|
|__________________________________|
| ...............All U ndbinfees are paid !!!......|
|............... Trade is possible !!!!...............|
|-----------------------------------------------------------|

For example if 2 vbounded 5 star items are selected... no problem will occur because then 8000ce is needed as unbindfee

this way all unbinfees are paid.. and pwnswag can type in the amount of agreed ce / crowns or whatever to complete the deal...

so if we now trade the voltedge against like 2kce (and the unbindfee)......
the bounded voltedge changes the owner like a normal greenshard, and while it changes the owner from me to pwnswag it will be unbounded then... but this way the trade is completed directly and no one can scam....

because.. if the unbindfee is not paid completely then trade is not possible (like the normal notification of the system... )
and if the selected item (voltedge in example) would be deselected.... then the window disapear and both players get their ce back they typed into the window.....

what do you think about my idea? -- is it useless or is it good????

best regards

hunterxxy

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 17:53

Luguiru

Or the person trying to sell a bound weapon could pay to unbind it first.

Vise is a privilege, not a right.

Mon, 11/05/2012 - 17:58

Pwnswag

avoid scammers

I agree with hunterxxy because ive been scammed way too much in this game and by using this system u will not be scammed this way we can get rid of all the scammers! SALUTES HUNTERXXY

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 07:40

Hunterxxy

@ Luguiru

Hi Luguiru yea...

i want to make an example...
The person who wanna sell a weapon is to get some ce / crowns or whatever right????

oO... then it is possible that the person who wannna sell a bound item dont have much ce right? (because he wanna sell, to get some ce)....

so the person who wanna sell a bounded item (like 5 star voltedge for example).... cant affort unbind fee correct?

Luguiru.. now my question....
how can the person who wanna sell the 5 star item, pay the unbindfee as u suggested, if he only have like 10ce????

i think you cant answer that question without such a trading system....
all mechanics for that system are already implemented into the game

so Lugiru only one thing you wrote correctly was this

"Vise is a privilege, not a right."

best regards

Hunterxxy

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 08:22

Asukalan

"at that point you have to

"at that point you have to give unbindfee to an other player who have to unbind the item and then to trade the item to you....

at that point u could be scammed....... because if the other guy run away u cant do anything....."

Person who have item to unbind should do it by himself.

Human stupidity is infinite, even with this system players will still get scammed (its not like we need this system right now, you have to be quite an idiot to let yourself be scammed).

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 08:24

Asukalan

'" how can the person who

'" how can the person who wanna sell the 5 star item, pay the unbindfee as u suggested, if he only have like 10ce????"
He wont pay unbind fee, he wont sell, he should move his three letters to grind money. Also if he have such a good 5 star item that can be sold for profit (im not counting fail attempts to sell 5 star weapons with crap UVs or even blanks that are cheaper at energy depot) he should already have some of CE/CR stockpiled.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 09:30

Spaghetti-Knight

Luguiru is right

And since we're talking about scam prevention, I sometimes feel a bit scared when the trade is done instantly after both accepting it. Would be nice if there was a 2nd confirm with 3 second delay, a lot of mmos do that.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:22

Dmatter

btw if your scammed, file a

btw if your scammed, file a complaint and boom, unscammed.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:23

Dmatter

huh, double post.

Tue, 11/06/2012 - 10:37

Hunterxxy

avoid scamming and need of system

Hi guy..

@ Dmatter ---- and be unscammed? how? ... if u report the player u only make that maybe the scammer will be banned from game u never know that because support would not tell it to you (u only see that he never is on again..... =) but u wont get ur money back... !!!!!!

@Asukalan

True he should get his money otherwise but.... if we have such a system---- and for example i have to pay like 6kce in total for a voltedge....
then i have to give him 2kce and 4kce to unbind.....

if now i give him 4kce it is possible that he run away... but with sucha system... it cant happen, because all done in same trade....

and...

ur words " even with this system players will still get scammed "
can u explain how that should happen? If both players uses that system???

and sure we dont need it for real.. but if we have it.... then it is more comfortable.. with less scammers

best regards

hunterxxy

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:20

#10

Hunterxxy

Mechanics to realize this improove Trading Feature

Hi guys,

to realise the feature some mechanics have to be implemented...

1. IF u have only like 1000ce u cant type in 2000ce.... ---> this feature already here within the normal trading window
2. Both players have to throw the needed unbindfee together ---> Feature already aviable within Blastnetwork where you can bribe King Crogmo
3. System have to check if the item is tradeable or not ---> already there... try to click on a bounded item..
4. System have to check how much ce needed to unbind --> go to Vise click on a bounded item and he will take the correct unbind-ticket for you
5. Trade only could be completed if "0ce to unbind needed" is there --> normal all items are unbound = tradeable again... and...
6. That Feature have to be aviable at all places in haven... ---> already exist, because some month ago u only was able to go to arcade .... now
u are able to click on Arcade-Mission...

best regards

Hunterxxy

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 14:43

#11

Softhead

-_-

Common sense to see if he already unbinded.

That's the problem, if the person is stupid enough to give him unbind money, he would obviously get scammed. No fault but his own.

It takes like 3 mins to go and unbind.

People can still scam. All it takes is finding a loophole and a bit of human stupidity.

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 15:43

#12

Hunterxxy

@Altrumvindex

i think u did not understand my idea, did not u?

but....

pls explain uyou own sentence..
"People can still scam."

How is it possible to scam, if it is implemented in the normal trading system???
I mean u have to put in unbindfee, and then u can make the whole deal at once..

for example

i offer a voltedge for 8kce...
and u give me 8kce, then normally i have to go to Vise and unbind it, then i have to give ithe voltedge to you....

in the system... i was thinking aboujt...

we can directly open our trading windows...
i click on the bounded voltedge...
then the window appear where we both can type in the unbindfee..

if i dopnt have the unbindfee, u can type in 4kce...... in that window.. to unbind voltedge...
and you type in the other 4kce in the normal trading window, afterwards the windows of 4kce is needed to unbind all items were like 0ce is needded to unbind items..

and we both accept the deal...

then there is written like
you gave hunterxxy 4000ce, paid 4000ce unbindfee(s),0 cr, and so on
you received Voltedge... and so on

now again my question:

What do you mean by your own sentence :"People can still scam." ?

how can u scam in such a system?

at the moment cancel the deal and do not accept it... ir do not type in the 4kce (u or i)...(or both)....

the deal can not be completed,. but u can not scam at all, too...

so tell me how you still able to scam in such a system?... correct u cant

@ Atrumvindex

u really did not understand what i mean..
"That's the problem, if the person is stupid enough to give him unbind money, he would obviously get scammed. No fault but his own."

yes you are completly right,, someone who is giving unbindfee first is stupid o yea.... for real........

"it takes like 3 mins to go and unbind." Yes.. Atrumvindex.. your right it only take a few minutes....

and i know.. what u mean.. if i want to sell you a bounded voltedge, you are not that stupid to givem e the 4kce or the whole agreed price upront... and i know you would tell me that i should go and unbind that voltedge so that we can make the deal afterwards, but thats not the point...

I mean if such a situation is there, that u tell me that i should go unbind the voltedge first because it takes only 3 minutes or less...
and i would tell you that i dont have 4000ce to unbind, that for example i only have like 124ce at the moment..

what would you do then??? Atrumvindex...
i wanna sell a bounded voltedge to you and u have the neededd ce to pay... while im not able to unbind...!!!

so Atrumvindex tell me how long does it take to unbind a voltedge with only 124ce????---> u cant unbind it !!!

so.. in that situation you have to give me the agreed price of the voltedge... in upfront that im able to unbind the voltedge that i can give the voltedge to you....

that situation ... i only speak for such a situation..

my idea of such a system would accept it, that the BUYER pay the unbindfee, or the Seller or both of them pay the unbindfee partly.. so that in total 4kce unbindfee is paid.. andthe deal are possible in only 1 step..... directly in one trade !!!

and @ all other....

PLS... Dont tell me that the Seller should unbind the item first..... or iti s stupid to trust ppl.. or... or.... or .... or....
and pls dont temm me that it is still possibleto scam within such a system ...

my idea of such a system only avoid scammers t the pint of unbindfee, but that is a big pint i think (4kce for a 5star..)

best regards

Hunterxxy

Sun, 11/11/2012 - 21:48

#13

Derpules

Sensible feature.

All the OP's suggesting is to make it possible to unbind in the trade window, out of a common pot of CE which both parties chip in to in the proportion they choose. Sounds good to me!

@Luguiru: "Vise is a privilege, not a right."

Nothing in SK is a right. But some things are good ideas.

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 15:09

#14

Hunterxxy

@Derpulus

Hi Derpules,

thx for you comment, and yes thats the idea i want to be implemented.

I think it is a good System for all players in SK and this will reduce scamming in a massivly way.
Btw. the mechanics needed ingame already are aviable, so i think it is relatic easy to implement such a feature.

@Luguiru

If such a system is implemented in future you dont have to you it... You can still use the "old" method and consul Vise and give your ce to someone who have tounbind an item first...

or you can use the new method then and its much easier at all.

best regards

Hunterxxy

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 18:21

#15

Syn-Chivalry

We definitely need this

Tue, 11/13/2012 - 20:28

#16

Kive

+1!

The other forumers dont understand what he is saying.

Most people are not going to have money to unbind an item before selling. Unless you've bought energy then this feature is a must. Even if I had 3600 ce to unbind how do I know this person is going to buy after I unbind or he wants a cheaper price then intended...you're screwed.

I like this system because you both put your stuff in making it much less likely to get scammed or have misunderstandings. Most sellers are very trustable but if you dont have a good reputation you are going to get less business. Fair marketing for all and protection for rookies imo thats a win

Wed, 11/14/2012 - 14:48

#17

Hunterxxy

@Kive and Syn-Chivalry

Thx a lot for your post Kive and Syn-Chivalry

i already suggested it to yupport,

but they said, that only a tiny percentage of all players would use such a Feature / System.....

this Thread and the answers show me that actually 9 poeple wrote something to it,

1 guy seems to think that support will make it like beeing unscammed (they wont)...
1 guy seemes that he did not understand for what the system is good for and
2-3 ppl are thinking that it is a not needed system at all / they r saying that its better that the seller unbind an item first and sell it then... and
4 ppl are thinking that such a system is totally usefull and needed to avoid scammers and support the tradings at all

I mean that are like over 40% of all responses... hmm definitly that amount of players are a "Tiny percentage" xD.... =)

well yea they did the guildhall patch now and they said that this would be more popular than to improove the trading system....

i mean... nobody like the unbindfees... but OOO implemented it....
all wanna make normal Deals and tradings, but the unbindfee are slowing such deals....

so OOO want to hold the unbindfees because of currency reasons of ce and crowns while they do nothing to solve the problems
which only occure because of the unbindfees or i should better say because of the trading sstem which does not support unbinding items???

best regards

Hunterxxy

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 13:00

#18

Hunterxxy

bump

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 18:04

#19

Hexzyle

I think this is a good idea

I think this is a good idea :)

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 19:08

#20

Hunterxxy

@ all

Pls write what you think of such a feature,

and pls write, too if you would use such feature if it would be aviable ingame or
if you still would run to Vise instead to unbind first.

there are 2 kinds of scammers...

1. who pay unbind to seller and seller scam and run away...
2. Buyer agreed a price, seller invest like 4kce and unbind item and Buyer do not pay at all.....

so.. write what u think of my idea of such a feature and if you would prefer to use it instead of the "old" method with Vise

Fri, 11/16/2012 - 20:01

#21

Dando-Real-Ita

Good idea, but usually I wait

Good idea, but usually I wait low CE to unbind and then sell on ah for more when CE is back @ 9k+. Maybe people should use ah more often both for buy and sell ( I sold 1,2 and 3-MAX UVs on AH, always 100% satisfied )

However, no matter how good/bad an idea is, they will never implement it. You can rename "suggestions" to "graveyard", they get the same level of attention from OOO, sorry.

Just think about Lockdown: it didn't change in 1 year. A better matchmaking has been suggested and acclaimed over and over, and all we got was to *spectate* unbalanced teams. It's so *fun* to be flooded by 2* people with just 1 single 4* item in t3...

Let's all wait the christmas boxes and useful costumes, that's what really matters and so will be implemented.

Sun, 11/25/2012 - 06:07

#22

Hunterxxy

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