Spiral Knights - Do you dislike GH update ?

Do you dislike GH update ?

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Wed, 11/21/2012 - 05:42

Dendios

I really don't want to say this, but the GH update made things worse for me. I like and most people like the furnishings and designing stuff, but after all it is all cosmetics , no benefit at all. To be fair with this update ( Unlike it was cruel to me ) I will list the functional things we got till now :

Guild's Storage
Mist Wells
The large meeting room in the middle of 2nd Floor

Anything else ? I think not.
Ok, for me, the update only increased the lag and disconnections with a LARGE amounts. I posted it in the Technical Problems but I don't think OOO will respond on it, neither forumers. What did the GH did too ? It killed Haven, there is no need for it anymore, we have AH , alchemy , Snipe Gardens, Coliseum and a training hall. Why would someone now go to Haven other than Bazaar for newbies and Brinks ? Maybe guildless will. Anyway, don't get me wrong that I hate the update, but I really see that the "Functions" they gave us is not worthy enough that I lose the quality of the game. I am really serious that the lagging has increased much lately ( Not only me, many others do ) , and no one responds, as always -_-

Do you dislike anything else with the update ? Or I might be the only one who thinks it is just a candy for us.

~Dragneel...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 05:49

Mentlegen

Cheaper CE

Enough for me

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 05:57

Hariender

uhhh

Dear sir what cosmetic item do?
cosmetics purpose
....BRILLIANT!!

"it killed haven"
too much Friend req
too much Guild inv
too much willing to sell/buy/trade
too social that almost become flame war

i don't think it kill haven and brinks i think the only NPc can't be in guild expansion,and arcade gate,and the mineral deposit,and advance training hall,and weapon vendor,shield vendor,armor vendor,helm vendor,vendor vendor,

i always 1 bar connection :D wheels always get me XD

guild meeting? i can do that without a chair standing still

i dunno if good or bad

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 06:05

Forum-Brady

It killed Haven, there is no

It killed Haven, there is no need for it anymore,

Brinks. 'Nuff said.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 06:44

Dendios

@Mentlegen You might be right

@Mentlegen

You might be right , but that's going to be for a while , isn't it ? It will take long time enough. The thing that upsets me is the quality of the game, if you noticed, the more the updates the quality of the game is falling down.

@Hariender

Still, Haven was and will stay as my favorite place to socialise with people. I agree that there are alot of beggers , Trade and friend requesters, but come one , what does look better, the Cold Dark GH or Shiny Haven ?. Vendors ? Who buy from them ? Crafting is alot cheaper, only new players are fooled by them and go buying. And for saying that you always have 1 bar, you might be used to it because you already have it from long time ago, but for someone who just had 2-3 bars all the time and suddenly you turn it into 1 bar, that's just ridiculous. I am sure that updates is meant to improve the quality not lower it.

@Forum-Brady

Are you the same as Darkbrady ? Probably not, because he isn't a bad reader like you. I said that the only reason for someone to go to Haven now is Brinks. Check your reading. And what if Brinks is there ? Will hundreds go there ? I am sure that I never saw more than 5 persons at Brinks at once.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 06:55

Rating

I'm confused. There are still

I'm confused. There are still a ton of havens that are full even with this update, and yet haven is doomed? I imagine the biggest reason people will stay in haven is for it's dedicated trade chat.

Is your 1 bar while you are inside a guild hall, maybe when there are many people in said guild hall? Or is it all the time now that the update has been applied? If it's all the time, I suspect it may just be a coincidence and has something to do with your overall internet connection.

Also, you are in the minority when you say it decreased the overall quality of the game for you, so....*sees the writing on the wall*...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:07

Starkythefox

Day 1, The Guild Update was

Day 1, The Guild Update was released. Guilds started to bought with crowns the furniture and upgrades. After a week, CE went from 9100 to 6500 (2600 less). I can do 5 RJK runs, giving me a profit of ~5000cr.

Today should start the first upkeep payment, expecting to see if it will decrease more.

I'm okay with the GH update :3

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:19

Dendios

@Rating Look, I am pretty

@Rating

Look, I am pretty sure it is the update fault. I am having 1 bar and barely 2 bars everywhere, in LD I am telerporting all the time and also flying. SOMETIMES I get 3 bars in CW, but it is a lie because the quality is the same if it is 3 or 2 in CW.
Minority ? Alot my guildies are like me, having more lag since the update, if that what you mean.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:27

Forum-Brady

I guess forums don't convey

I guess forums don't convey context quite as well as they'd like, when the person you're speaking to isn't in the loop. I've been using Brinks a lot since GH and have been complaining that I have to leave my cosy GH to go there. It's the one and only thing I can't do at my GH :(

To be clear, I was just joking. As long as Brinks isn't in the GH, then Haven's not obsolete; but since GH came out I have been agreeing in concept that allowing GH to have so many of Havens necessities is not a good thing.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:26

Dendios

@Starkythefox As I said to

@Starkythefox

As I said to Mentlegen, that's good thing I agree, but I don't accept the cost of it as decreasing the quality :)

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 07:46

#10

Dendios

@Forum-Brady Sorry then, I

@Forum-Brady

Sorry then, I thought you of something else. I hope you accept my apologies :). I am just really upset that a cosmetic update lowered the quality of my gameplay :(

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 08:33

#11

Njthug

Nope I liked the Guild Hall Update.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 09:07

#12

Torikakae

Killed Haven?You mean

Killed Haven?

You mean absolutely EVERYONE joined a guild and absolutely EVERY guild brought Alchemy Rooms, Auction House Rooms, Coliseum Rooms, Training Halls, etc... and that made Haven obsolete to absolutely everybody? And you mean that absolutely every guild will in fact absolutely keep paying all those steep upkeep fees forever and ever?

Or perhaps since the old Guild Halls with the Alchemy Machine (as well as Alchemy Machines throughout the Mission Lobbies) did absolutely nothing to kill Haven Alchemy Machines, you might just be exaggerating its killing power?~

Also, Southeast Asian player here. Perpetual 1 bar. Didn't notice a difference. Welcome to my world~

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 09:13

#13

Forum-Brady

Not every guild needs to

Not every guild needs to build all the Haven luxuries, since you can enter the hall of any guild who has done so and left it public; many of which have.

Nor do you even need to be in a guild, as it happens.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 09:10

#14

Dendios

I meant by killing haven not

I meant by killing haven not making it obsolete, it will be much quiet I mean :/

And I don't want to go the Asian World D: I am nearer to Europe D:

@Njthug

I like it too, and your guild is damn itchy richy and full of things O_o. But in the end, all of them are cosmetic NO Functionality plus lowering the quality for a BUNCH of people, that made me upset :S

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 09:19

#15

Torikakae

Have you tried randomly

Have you tried randomly visiting other people's Guild Halls?

It would be boring to meet people in the same place over and over again. A nice change of sights is a good thing. You could also talk about their creativity in creating rooms with themes. Instead of talking on the grass in a remote corner, you can talk with people in an exclusive cafe-style room. Instead of talking to people in front of the noisy Auction House with beggars and trade spammers, you can talk peacefully in their sleeping quarters (and roleplay, if you're into that sort of thing).

Haven will be fine~ Merchants don't wanna yell-sell in Guild Halls after all. And newbies will be plenty! And honestly, I've seen more people use Haven AH than their Guild AH since their Guild AH usually far in the back (Hassle and loading times are a turn off).

The Guild Hall may not have enhanced the game much functionally, but it adds so much more options socially. You just gotta give it a chance. I made new friends and talked to a lot of random people by visiting random guild halls~

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 09:30

#16

Hungran

Well...

I can understand your frustration, lagg annoys me too, which is one of the reasons I heavily stopped playing LD (although I still play only a bit). But I dont see how an update would cause lagg with the exception of during the download time or 2nd - 3rd party devices. Now it may be simply because of the quality of your router/ethernet/other uses while playing spiral knights. At most, only a few knights have resulted in lagg, as most of us are lagg free. The most likely solution to your lagg would be to analyze any other activity while playing SK that uses the internet, such as siblings using WIFI for music, mom watching youtube, downloading programs, etc, those seem more likely than an update causing lagg, as other knights as control's in this experiment havent resulted in lagg.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 09:49

#17

Rating

Yeah my thing is you seem to

Yeah my thing is you seem to be complaining about an increase in lag, while saying it's a widespread problem which would indicate it is a SK-related issue.

*Looks to bug reports and suggestions threads* ... *finds nothing reported that would indicate it's a widespread problem* ... *is thoroughly confused*

I also happened to notice at this very moment there are 10 very full english speaking havens. Doesn't really seem dead to me...

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:10

#18

Fight-Men

Welcome to the complaining group, where most of us stood making posts here to show OOO about things that are bad in the game. And what happened? OOO ignored us all.

What did this update improve? Well, there's an obvious answer for that: it improved the ammount of cosmetic items, and lag.
Did we saw gameplay improvements? NOPE.

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:16

#19

Paweu

No one complaining about lag

No one complaining about lag actually goes through first troubleshooting their own connection/PC, obviously why when "OOO is the evil one".

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:20

#20

Dendios

Ok, I have to admit . I am

Ok, I have to admit . I am very annoyed and frustrated because of the sudden LAG. I am 100 % sure that the problem is not from my ethernet or router or connection speed. Why is that ? I have 35mb conncetion speed and I don't even lag in any other game either on consoles or the PC, it is only SK that I have this bad latency with. I added the GH update because that sudden lag happened after it, so it is probably from it , right :( ?

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 11:42

#21

Forum-Brady

I have 35mb conncetion

I have 35mb conncetion speed

And you said you had 350ping... Liar! D:
My connection's nowhere near that :(

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 12:54

#22

Dendios

@Forum-Brady I didn't lie

@Forum-Brady

I didn't lie Brady :( I actually have 350-365 ping in League of Legends so I speculated that I have the same amount or even worse in SK. Although I have that ping in LoL I never experienced lag there. And even if I have 100 mb connection, I will be stuck with this ping because of my distance between me and the server. Still this is not a reason for me to lag this badly, because as I said before and will still saying, I NEVER lag in other games either on PC or Consoles ( Example : WoW is free of lag for me , Call of Duty and Halo is free of lag for me too ).

But for you Brady, even if you have less connection than me, you will still better latency than me because of your location to the server, which is much nearer than me I suppose :o

Wed, 11/21/2012 - 13:02

#23

Krakob

Am not familiar with this thing called "lag".

I've seen a few complaints about lag. That's the only thing and it's a technical issue not necessarily caused by the update, not an intended game alteration.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 00:44

#24

Hexzyle

What did this update improve?

What did this update improve? Well, there's an obvious answer for that: it improved the ammount of cosmetic items, and lag.
Did we saw gameplay improvements? NOPE.

And this is why people think that the developers don't listen to suggestions: because when they do, stupid people who don't understand the impact of an important update whinge about everything else that they didn't get.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 01:22

#25

Psychodestroyer

+1 Hexzyle

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:10

#26

Dendios

I didn't really get what do

I didn't really get what do you mean Hexzyle. But I know that I got no respond about the lagging issue in the Technical Problems section, atleast I would like to see something : We are working on it. Or even we are aware of this problem or.... whatever, as they are going to reply to anyone -_-

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:50

#27

Hexzyle

I can't comment on the lag,

I can't comment on the lag, because I don't actually no if the game is any more laggy, seeing as I live in australia and I use a mobile connection. (My IP is as stable as a drunk man driving a semi-trailer across a tightrope) so I'm behind the game by quite a bit all the time (although I've actually become considerably skilled in the game because of such)
If you're talking about FPS, I haven't seen any change.

What I was actually talking about is the fact that many of us worked mega-hard on the mega-guildhall thread, only to have some ungrateful whelp (fight-man) say that he felt that the guildhall update (and consequencely the balancing of CE prices) was far less important than an additional monster or two.

This is one of the first updates (apart from the shard-changes) that OOO has made in a while that dramatically altered the game in a way other than filling up auction house with increasing-price cosmetics. (not only that, but it rubbed poop in the faces of all the people who kept posting their incriminating "OOO never reads suggestions forums anyway" coments.) If this isn't "gameplay" changes, I don't know what is. I guess there will always be people out there who delight in the oppurtunity to find the flaws in everything. Or should I say, "have a whinge" because they felt like they were hard done by.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 02:50

#28

Psychodestroyer

He means that people think that developers don't read suggestions because when there's an update, people will find things that weren't contained in the update and moan about how OOO didn't include things people want.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 03:01

#29

Toksyuryel

Frankly this update is the

Frankly this update is the best one yet since I started playing way back when, and for the first time since the mission system was added that I am once again genuinely excited about the future of this game. The guild hall update has reinvigorated my ability to enjoy the game, it's given my small guild goals to work toward and a reason to exist, and it's even partially corrected the out of control CE prices! (still some work to do there, but it's definitely much better now than it was before)

What's not to love?

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 03:25

#30

Xxpapaya

The papaya doesn't have a problem with the update............

I really don't see what's wrong about the update, everybody was DYING for the day that it would finally be released, and now some people want it to be taken back.........................Can you people do us all a favor and make up your minds? Hey, don't get me wrong, but I still like walking around Haven. The guild halls don't have everything haven does (like a fountain ^^). I don't see any difference in the lag I have (and that I am) experiencing..................
"I like and most people like the furnishings and designing stuff, but after all it is all cosmetics , no benefit at all." I don't remember people wanting a ton of functional items in the guild hall. If that was so, then you are betraying your own argument, cause the functional items would make the game lag a bit. Not much, but still noticeable. Currently with only cosmetic items everything is fine (I think its just your internet going slightly wacko)
[End of papayagraph]

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 05:00

#31

Dendios

Dragneel answers The Papaya

@Xxpapaya

I didn't say the update is wrong. For your information I liked the idea of the GH update and the stuff ( even if it was cosmetic or functional ), but after seeing that the update ( which was nearly cosmetic [ Which I am not against in cases ] ) took the quality of my and many others of my friends, guildies gaming, I will be sure upset not that only it was cosmetic ( Which I say again, I like it but not in cost of the quality ) it downgraded the quality of the gameplay.

People, I don't think the update is wrong if it didn't lower the quality, I know sometimes there might be bugs and stuff but I am talking about in general. Alot of my guildies are thinking about playing less because they aren't enjoying the game because of the SUDDEN lag after the update.

This update is good for a while or even a long time, but in the end there are more things that need to be fixed and they are much important than the GH thingy. For example alot of people are dying to make this game more balanced either in PvP or PvE.

@Hexzyle

I know alot of people ( Especially Severage ) worked very hard on the GH thing, and I really applaud for them for making it true. And I hope you know that I am not whining about that GH didn't contain things I want, I just don't want it to take the main thing for me in the game which is : Enjoying the game ! I simply can't enjoy any run or LD match anymore these weeks, either from d/c , telerporting etc..

I also know that OOO reads Suggestion section but I think they rarely care for the Technical Problems unless a VERY BIG amount of people are having a specified problem. But if the number was only decent and the problem was LAG, then probably they will say it is your fault , your internet is bad and you should feel bad :/

In the end I just hope OOO rethinks about the quality of each update they make ( Even if it was good ) , please make sure that it won't make the quality worse...please.. T_T ( Hope they see this and find a solution for it )

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 05:31

#32

Hexzyle

Responses

@Psychodestroyer
He means that people think that developers don't read suggestions because when there's an update, people will find things that weren't contained in the update and moan about how OOO didn't include things people want.

Thanks, I couldn't word it right.

@Xxdragneel

It's very likely that the lag has nothing to do with guildhalls whatsoever. The developers never release one single thing in a patch, they update multiple things and put it into the patch notes, and likely even alter things that aren't in the patch notes. It's possible one of the developers klutzed something up somewhere that caused a minor memory/network leak that is causing the lag.
Please don't go blaming this on something unprovenly related.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 06:07

#33

Stelli

hello

I like the guild hall update, it is cute, can have our own private room.

Most important of all it is a constant crown sink for guilds that can be prepared to pay it's upkeep, very smart way of controlling the economy.

2 person above in this thread have said, it made the 9k per 100ce plummet down to 6k or so per 100ce.

Well, I don't really farm through doing runs anymore, and I only buy ce with cash when I need something, this is very bad for me.

However, I'm sure it will benefit more people in return, those who put handwork through the clockwork trading their crowns for ce.

So in short, those who are rich have new toys, and those who don't pay to play get a more affordable market to buy ce from.... I don't see how this is hurting anyone...

As Rating I think, have said above haven will always be filled with merchants trying to sell stuff or people looking for stuff, since u can't use trade channel inside the guild hall. Even checking the havens now, I see a whole bunch of them full.

About you disconnecting, I really have no clue.. I'm from Asia, half way across the world, I still play the game smoothly, sometimes with a slight lag, but never disconnecting. I would check with the ISP if the problem carries on.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 06:01

#34

Dendios

@Hexzyle Ok if I say that my

@Hexzyle

Ok if I say that my speculation is wrong, can you please help me find out where is the problem ?

@Stelli

You are the one who ignored my posts, check comment 10 and 4 please.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 07:10

#35

Hexzyle

@Xxdragneel

The issue is obviously in leaked memory/networking issue either on the Client-side or on a Server-side client connection.

In either case, there's nothing we can do about it except notify the developers that something is wrong somewhere (which I'm fairly sure they're aware by now), and wait for them to find it and fix it.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 07:40

#36

Dendios

@Hexzyle Thanks alot for your

@Hexzyle

Thanks alot for your co-operation and for the good discussion. Ok, I can only wait now, should I graveyard this ?

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 07:46

#37

Thunderbog

Why.

"The issue is obviously in leaked memory/networking issue either on the Client-side or on a Server-side client connection."

I want a fix. I want a fix.

I don't want ignorance from Three Rings.

This lag makes misdirections and unexpected access to dimensional rifting of deaths.

It causes lots of agony and hatred.

So bad, that anyone at that time would jump their ship off and kill themselves.

Hear hear, please. >_<

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 07:52

#38

Hexzyle

@Xxdragneel

Yeah probably. If the main issue here is lag, then an appropriate discussion is needed in the Technical Support/Bug Report forums.

Not really much point complaining about lag in General Discussion when that isn't the place for it.

Thu, 11/22/2012 - 08:04

#39

Paweu

I don't experience any lag

I don't experience any lag therefore it's something on your end.

Fri, 11/23/2012 - 02:29

#40

Blue-Joker

Ofc I hate, because I even

Ofc I hate, because I even can't go in into game, because my load stop at 70% and nowbody don't know what I must do...

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