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Tue, 11/27/2012 - 09:36
Bananaphonehaha's picture
Bananaphonehaha

So I just got to 20 jelly gems. :D
Now, which weapon should I buy?
My current loadout is Wolver set(2*), Calibur/Snarble Barb(2* intend to switch this out for a Nightblade or some other brandish line), and Cryotech/Shadowtech Alchemer(intend to upgrade either one of the two to 3*, or upgrade my Autogun to a ?)

So, if I purchase either one, I can toss aside my earlier plans for getting 3* equipment for that role(sword or gun)
Which would you advise me to go for?
Main source of income - farming JK
Also intend to get a Bristling Buckler.
And yes I do intend to get both eventually.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 10:22
#1
Immortous's picture
Immortous
@Banana

In time you'll want to buy all FOUR Antigua/Sealed Sword lines, but for now it's probably better to think ahead to when you're farming FSC, so get the Sealed Sword and upgrade it to the Avenger.
You mentioned "switching certain weapons out" and "tossing aside earlier plans" like with your swords and whatnot, but DON'T think you have to have a specific set of weapons or anything. Part of endgame is arming yourself to the teeth with every worthwhile weapon out there, and then triple UV'ing them all if your into that sorta thing!
As for your Autogun, definitely upgrade it to the Strike Needle/Blitz Needle. So worth it.
And the Bristling Buckler IS one of the best shield out there, especially if you pair it with the Wolver Set to become the "Ultimate Swordie of Doom", but it can be difficult to obtain for your first shield since token reward recipes can only be found at Basil. Owlite Shields are usually the most helpful for a first-time deal, with FSC and all.
But whatever suits you, stick to that and don't let people change you!
Feel free to friend me In-Game, and I'll be sure to help you out with any questions, etc. if I can! Could hook you up with a great guild too. My IG name is 'Immortous,' same as my forum name.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 10:30
#2
Msaad's picture
Msaad
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Move the post to arsenal. :)

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 10:40
#3
Immortous's picture
Immortous
@Msaad

Indeed. Forgot to say that. :P

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 14:07
#4
Bopp's picture
Bopp
wrong question

"Antiqua or Sealed Sword" is the wrong question. You should always think in terms of 5-star items, because that's where everything ends up (unless you're focused on Tier-2 Lockdown), and you don't want to get stuck in a lame alchemy path (e.g. Winmillion).

So a better question is, "Divine Avenger, Gran Faust, Argent Peacemaker, or Sentenza"? The answer depends on whether you want elemental or shadow damage, and whether you want a sword or gun. Your plans so far are really vague. You plan to get a Nightblade (Acheron) or another Brandish, but the other Brandishes are elemental, so Nightblade is not comparable to them. You might find my detailed sword guide helpful as you think more.

Another better question is, "Do I want any Jelly Gem items?" Maybe you'd be better spending 15 Jelly Gems to get a Brute Jelly Helm, and selling that to a vendor for 3,500 crowns.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 18:43
#5
Bananaphonehaha's picture
Bananaphonehaha
Thanks everyone for the tips

Thanks everyone for the tips :)
Thing is though, I'm looking to get a 3* loadout that can allow me to solo JK or pug him with a 100% success rate first, which I can then use to farm crowns and go down my actual path.
Or is that the wrong way of thinking? Is it faster and better to first choose an alchemy path and be set on it till 5* star, where by 4* it'll prob be good enough for jelly farming too?
EDIT: I also intend to make it through OCH Tier 2 soon(tried with a 4* friend, we made it to the boss but revive costs were obscene), so should I consider the Dark Reprisal MKII and the Stable Warmaster Rocket Hammer in the equation?

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:20
#6
Trapzter's picture
Trapzter
go for brute jelly

sell it and get the 3.5k cr.

sealed swords are outplayed by brandishs. sealds without asi UVs will cause you lots of touble because they´re sloooooow.

sentenza is a viable choice for fighting gremlins and argent is a nice wep to get rid of chasing howlitzers.
(the drivers are noticeable options there, too, and they deal more dmg. not a single serious gunslinger i know uses antigua line)

=> get the cr, go to the AH and buy those with ASI UVs.

edit:
if you wanna go on farming JK get faust
if you wanna defeat Seerus get Sentenza
if you wanna clear FSC get Argent Peacemaker
if you wanna solo FSC get Divine Avenger
if you wanna defeat vanaduke get blitz needle

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:34
#7
Immortous's picture
Immortous
Movember Yall

@Banana: Like Bopp said, it's easier to focus on the 5* gear. Otherwise you might end up with gear you regret getting.

@Traptzer: The sealed lines aren't outplayed, it all depends on your style of playing. Brandishes are more offensive, while sealed swords are more defensive due to their slower swing, though they hit harder. One isn't neccessarily better than the other.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 19:52
#8
Bopp's picture
Bopp
can you already beat RJ?

You ask whether it's best to get "temporary gear" to beat the Royal Jelly, or whether it's best to skip toward your final gear. Aren't you already able to beat the Royal Jelly? Then why do you need better gear for it? Are you spending a lot of energy on reviving? If not, then stop thinking about RJ, and focus on your future, even while you continue to farm RJP.

The Sealed Sword lines have their uses (big knockback). The Antigua guns have their place (easier to use than the alchemers, no Polaris knockback).

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 21:26
#9
Bananaphonehaha's picture
Bananaphonehaha
I can only beat him with a

I can only beat him with a good party with at least 4 star gear, most of which are my SK friends. I'd like to have a better success rate when pugging, as well as when soloing(which I haven't even tried for fear of complete failure)
Also, moved thread to Arsenal.
@Trapzter So since I intend to go for Seerus as my next boss I should get the Sentenza? Or would faust be better? Same question for JK.
@All What if the possibility that I might luck out and get thru tier 3 of OCH, netting me a Dark Retribution to laugh at JK with? I'm really not sure how I wanna go about with my gear. Which path should I take FIRST? I do intend to spread out and switch loadouts for different missions and stuff.

Tue, 11/27/2012 - 23:45
#10
Senshi's picture
Senshi
JK

To reliably beat JK you could do dusker or chroma set, twisted targe, and vile striker -- however the vile striker is a 4* weapon.
I found it harder to solo JK with Faust (4* sealed sword line) than with vile striker - faust only curses on second hit / charged attack, while vile striker pretty much constantly poisons. I can't think of a 3* weapon I'd take to that fight. It's a much easier fight with 4* armor and shield, of course.

You'll prefer chroma set to dusker only if you plan to use guns and bombs a lot on you Jelly Runs. Dusker is actually useful outside of jelly palace with good 5* options later on.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 02:48
#11
Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite
@Banana

Ok here r my answers

1. DA is better than GF in the long run
2. AP is better than Sentenza in the long run
3. GF is better in LD
4. Sentenza is better in LD
5. GF can be annoying so much sometimes (the charge).
6. DA is annoying if your hits miss.
7. GF and Sentenza r better in OCH
8. Get Voltedge! Shock is very useful in vana.
9. If you want to tank JK in 3* get Quicksilver or brute jelly!
10. I've done JK as a 2-3* with another 2-3*; I have no idea y u are having problems with JK.

That's all folks!

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 04:18
#12
Fradow's picture
Fradow
So much opinions

To respond directly to Hawxindanite :
1. and 2. Do "in the long run" means FSC ? If so, yes. But in the long run, you need both, because they have different damage types and you'll need BOTH elemental and shadow.
3. Yes, just because the second swing can curse.
4. Why ? There is no practical difference between AP and Sentenza apart from the damage type. I wouldn't say elemental resistance is way more present in LD.
5. The charge of GF shouldn't be used at all, or only in very specific situations (3 or 4 usable weapons, time to charge).
6. Like every other sword.
7. Obviously, Gremlins call for Shadow damage. See 1.
8. Yes but .... it prevents mobs from riding the charge, and thus lower the charge effectiveness. Combuster doesn't do that.
9. You shouldn't tank JK in the first place. You want a piercing armor, yes, but wolver line have that AND offensive bonus.
10. Didn't try it lately, but I remember JK being hard for 2/3*, especially if you are not well prepared.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 04:21
#13
Bananaphonehaha's picture
Bananaphonehaha
Well there's quite some

Well there's quite some varying answers
But for my situation
Where I'm trying to get up to 3* gear
And I'm trying for OCH Tier 2 with this gear
Which should I pick?
And Nightblade is a definite now, as is at least one Alchemer mkII or a Blitz Needle.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 06:03
#14
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

In that case, I would go for a Sealed first and upgrade it to Divine Avenger.

You already have an alchemer, and I have never been especially fond of the Antigua-line guns, due to the fact that you need to keep up a constant rate of fire in order to get a good rate of DPS; I find the Drivers to be preferable in this regard, since they're good both on single targets and on clusters of mobs, as well as being able to OHKO turrets under the right circumstances. That's just me, however, and you might want to try them out and make use of the added mobility they have.
You've mentioned that you're planning on getting a Nightblade, so you won't be in need of Faust just yet (unless you want to do RJP runs every single day, in which case, knock yourself out). In addition, the Gran Faust has a ridiculously long charging time, and despite the tooltips, isn't any faster than the Divine Avenger in swinging. It's good for PvP games, but not exceptional in PvE. Gremlins also have a terrible habit of dodging lots, which can make it annoying to try to shoot them down.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 06:29
#15
Bopp's picture
Bopp
Acheron, DA, BTB

If Nightblade is definite now, that's great. Use it on the Royal Jelly. Eventually you will upgrade it to 4-star, and then RJ will be even easier.

Ending up with Acheron and Divine Avenger is good. Then just upgrade your Snarble Barb to BTB, and you have your three swords.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 06:40
#16
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

Given that you use swords, I would go with antigua and then upgrade it towards being an argent peacemaker. Heck, when I was in your situation that's what I did, even if the circumstances were slightly different.

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 07:05
#17
Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite
@Fradow

I said that Sentenza is better in LD because very few wear shadow resistant armour in LD

Also I said shock is useful in vana because it interrupts the slags jump attacks and the jellies tackle attacks.

Combuster is ok for vana but the status won't do anything.

Ice is kinda more useful here because of the rarely appearing toxioils that are set on fire by sparkies but Then again shock can interrupt the toxioills tackle attack.

When I mean long run I mean towards the last levels leading to FSC since after Project R it's mostly shadow resistant enemies that u r against.

@banana

Nightblade is great! The Acheron shines in its charge, especially in those deconstruction levels.

That's all folks!

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 08:10
#18
Bananaphonehaha's picture
Bananaphonehaha
@Aureate Actually I do in

@Aureate Actually I do in fact do JK runs everyday...at least 1, up to 3 if the previous ones go well with no revives :P
@Bopp Yeah that seems the way to go for now :D So I just keep to my Alchemers till 5* too? Also, if I do have all 3 swords at 5*, which gun type should I get to 5*/ Btw I'm a constant mix between Sword+Gun and Sword+Bomb, I never ever use sword only xD

Wed, 11/28/2012 - 08:22
#19
Bopp's picture
Bopp
obligatory again

Your questions about mixing swords and guns are discussed in the "Mixing Weapon Types" section of my sword guide, which I linked above. (Short answer: Elemental gun.) Yes, keep your alchemers; they can be fantastic weapons.

Thu, 11/29/2012 - 12:29
#20
Irthan's picture
Irthan
Alchemers start at awesome

Alchemers start at awesome and go from there.

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