I've always seen them as being made to flinch enemies, and to deal a massive amount of damage in doing so, with lots of knockback. Kind of brute force like...
If you were Nick, how would you envision iron slug/callahan?
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 16:53
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 18:31
#2
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Lots of weapons can flinch targets, I think Callahan/Iron Slug should be able to do more. 'Stagger' instead of flinch. Like getting stun-locked.
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 19:26
#3
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*pervert mode*
penetration!
But seriously, the first time I saw magnus line weapon... I was expecting that was the only gun that can penetrates... at least to match other features like alchemer ricochets, explosive pulsar/catalyzer, burst bullets autogun, versatile antigua, and recoil valiance.
eh well, flinching magnus. may be.... dev should create another gun that penetrates.
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 19:14
#4
hitting weak spots for critical damage
lucky shots and combos
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 21:19
#5
I would make them able to
I would make them able to pierce through all monsters and stun them at the same time. Only stopped by shield. Something like a brandish charge.
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 22:49
#6
well
...considering that in the last major gun patch, the punch gun went from 1 bullets to 2 (essentially acting as a precursor to the magnus line) AND its bullets were given powerful knockback (1.25+ tiles! Stronger than Valiance's push!), I'm mostly sure we'll see more knockback for the actual magnus line, which has... nothing for its regular shots.
Actual piercing (behavior) attacks would be great.
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 23:03
#7
@Bopp
Really? You'd envision it exactly the way Nick would?
Wed, 11/28/2012 - 23:10
#8
Callahan appears to have an
Callahan appears to have an affinity for wolvers, so the charge attack could be better suited for dealing with their tendancy to group around the alpha. The snarby bomb and sword seem to have had this in mind, so heres the snarby gun everyone keeps asking for.
I have no idea what the splash pattern looks like, but assuming it is a circle centered around the shot, perhaps that should be moved infront of the shot instead? It is interesting that the charge seems to be as strong as a Biohazard charge, so it begs for a way to unlock that power. The blaster and pulsar could also benefit from a charge splash damage tweak as well.
If one day we get a huge gear rebalancing patch, my wishlist would include simple Antigua style damage buffs applied to Callahan and a few other guns based on what they appear to be have designed for..
Callahan vs beast med
Biohazard vs slime med
Plague/Blitz vs fiend med
Polaris vs construct med
If they realy want to hold your hand on what does what, then give them damage penalties against the other monster family they are effective on.. might annoy some people but at least the rest of the guns are not disadvantaged stat wise
Thu, 11/29/2012 - 02:16
#9
There are a few ways to realise a gun being huge and immensly powerful:
-Give it boatloads of damage.
-Give it boatloads of knockback.
-Interruption (present).
-Have the gun be hitscan rather than projectile-based, so as to emphasise the speed in which the bullet travels.
-Penetration.
-Have the user draw a lot of aggro due to the gun's flashiness.
-Targets hit enter a 'dazed' animation unrelated to statuses.
I'm thinking it must be one of the latter three, seeing as the tools for implementing Nick's change was apparently not present yet.
Thu, 11/29/2012 - 06:57
#10
required by logic
If you were Nick, how would you envision iron slug/callahan?
Really? You'd envision it exactly the way Nick would?
If I were Nick, then of course I'd envision it exactly the way Nick would. Anyway, it seems that you're getting more real, insightful answers now. Cheers.
P.S. I am hoping for a buff to Callahan. I've always liked that gun.
Thu, 11/29/2012 - 09:14
#11
@Bopp
Thats a bit more hypothetical and ... infuriating than what I had in mind though. And even then- the words "If you were Nick" would refer to "if you were in Nick's position with your current experience" just like you don't log on and eat breakfast in game before going to the restroom and contacting spiral headquarters, worrying whether or not you're going to see your spiral-family again.
@Zeddy
The hard part is realizing a gun that is both huge, immensely powerful, and not game breaking in any fashion... I'm hoping for penetration though, that sounds like a nice boost.
Thu, 11/29/2012 - 12:06
#12
-Targets hit enter a 'dazed'
-Targets hit enter a 'dazed' animation unrelated to statuses.
Yes, knockdown, like what its charge does to the knight using it. Most monsters already have an animation for this, it's just a matter of activating it.
Thu, 11/29/2012 - 20:49
#13
As a gun capable of firing a
As a gun capable of firing a projectile over a distance of at least equal to that of a thrown pot.
-Windsickle
Fri, 11/30/2012 - 06:28
#14
For Callahan, maybe something
For Callahan, maybe something like, "A handgun of incredible power whose recoil can even leave its user in a daze. It is said to make its targets feel far less lucky."
I haven't used Iron Slug, but my impression is that it should be something like, "Only the most frightening of foes can withstand the crippling paralysis caused by the magnum force of the Iron Slug's sudden impact."
lol nice one
For Callahan, maybe something like, "A handgun of incredible power whose recoil can even leave its user in a daze. It is said to make its targets feel far less lucky."
I haven't used Iron Slug, but my impression is that it should be something like, "Only the most frightening of foes can withstand the crippling paralysis caused by the magnum force of the Iron Slug's sudden impact."