Spiral Knights - I've changed my position.

I've changed my position.

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Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:30

Michaelb

Today, I realized that the new Shard Bombs are a great replacement for the old ones. It hit me while I was playing Lockdown at the Coliseum. I was thinking about why I can't inflict any damage whatsoever with the new bombs, but it suddenly hit me that bombs aren't meant to be good. They are simply meant to be spammed by recon skolvers as status infliction. Anyway, I've compiled a lit of reasons why we should thank OOO for this great change! :D

-Well, Nick said that the old Shard Bombs weren't bomb-like enough, and the new ones definitely are! I mean, a shrapnel bomb* definitely isn't a bomb, right? Well, the new bomb is definitely bomb-like! An explosion that fires multiple crystals that explode soon thereafter is definitely like a bomb! I mean, it makes PERFECT sense! :D

-Well, I don't know about anyone else, but I invested a lot of time and effort in my RSS! And gosh, I was so happy when it was taken away from me and I was given a THREE-VARIANT TICKET! A three variant ticket is a great consolation for a bomb that I spent actual money on! You cna get three variants on a piece of equipment that 90% of the time will be totally obsolete!

-Folks, I can't even begin to tell you how much this new series of bomb lines is living up to its predecessor's pros. Firstly, it does less than 1,000 damage in lockdown! That's WAY MORE than the >8,000 damage that the old RSS did! Its damage is undeniably a huge improvement. Secondly, it is way better in PvE. A bomber could use one of the old shard bombs to fire at Greavers and switches from afar, but with this one, you have to get up close and personal, and the shards don't even hit 80% of the time! That's a huge improvement. Lastly, the shards propelled from the new bombs are extremely glitchy and usually don't even appear! I don't know about anyone else, but I've always wanted a bomb that doesn't do any damage! And some of them even inflict stun, which doesn't work!

What's more, I've met tons of people who love the new Shard Bombs. Just have a look at forum node 58425! Everyone there is absolutely teeming with praise for them! Like I said, probably no one alive has no complaints about the new bombs.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:31

Michaelb

Anyone else love these new weapons?

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:39

Ubernerd

Derp.

Why does this need an entirely new thread?

"An explosion that fires multiple crystals that explode soon thereafter is definitely like a bomb!"

Actually, MIRVs. Someone hasn't played enough Borderlands 2.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:36

Paweu

I love them more than you

I love them more than you ever loved the old ones so I find this thread insulting.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 14:42

Michaelb

@Paweu: I never did love the

@Paweu: I never did love the old Shard Bombs! They were just terrible!

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:40

Generic-Bush

The new shard bombs are nothing compared to the old ones, And we bushes would like if OOO would change them back TYVM.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 18:47

Orangeo

"A three variant ticket is a

"A three variant ticket is a great consolation for a bomb that I spent actual money on! "
I crown item for something I spent CE on. Exactly what I said when I heard about the update. Plus, why make the shard bombs less gunlike before making the trollaris less bomblike. It's a ranged bomb without a charge for gods sake, just a way for strikers to work around that charge time increase. "But it's got to go a certain range!" ...strikers have no problem with close range.

"I love them more than you ever loved the old ones so I find this thread insulting."
Your opinion varies from mine so I find this comment insulting.

Wed, 12/05/2012 - 23:24

God-Form

i hated the old troll shards

Thank the lord that nick toned those troll shards way down. Those things were the devil, i really cant thank nick enough i truely hated those things about 1000 times more than i could ever hate the spammer hammer, or the trollarious. I mean the old sun shards spammed in 6 directions and when the bomb spammers had max ctr it was even worse, spamming that horrible bomb every half second was murder. Not to mention that if you ran away using striker boost the shards spammed so fast that theg could catch you while boosting away. Im glad those stupid things were toned down now i can spam and beat you annoying bombers to death once again with the flourish, and the trollsar. Thank god for the update, and bombers ill be owning you in lockdown cheers. Now we just need to tone down the nitrodome series.

_-- gods-corpse

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 05:08

Qazxedcv

Sigh...

Oh michael, the grief was too much for you :'(
Just let it go man, OOO will never show the bomb the respect it deserves, and they love their swords too much to bring back any bombs that might rival them.

@Gods-Corpse
Way to count. 6 ways. Mhmm. Not to mention that if you actually tried, avoiding shards from the old bombs was pretty easy.
And you mention you hate the trollaris but love using the trollsar? #doublestandard?
I for one hope that sometime in the future, OOO will see how ridiculous they have made the pulsar and toothpick and NERF THEM TO HELL.
I look forward to seeing you in LD, and my hammer looks forward to seeing your pancreas again.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 06:21

Zeddy

Did someone say shard bomb love?

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/69015

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/69789

You'd be surprised what a little teamwork can do for these bombs.

@Gods-Corpse

You know, if you boosted one tile to the side instead of running directly away you could probably avoid the shards.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 09:26

#10

Doctorspacebar

Sore loser much, Corpse?

Nitronome, overpowered? Oh, you're right! It's SO HORRIBLY OP'D, with its TWO SECOND BASE CHARGE ATTACK THAT IS ITS ONLY ATTACK, SHOWS EXACTLY WHERE IT'S GOING TO HIT WITH A BIG RED CIRCLE, AND IS EASILY COUNTERED BY ANY GUN AND ESPECIALLY THE POLARIS. Quit your complaining.

So have we all agreed that, if we see Corpse walking around in LD, everyone with a hammer immediately goes for him?

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 15:45

#11

Aureate

Processing Thoughts of You Always

Yep.

Might I also add that the new ISB is a considerable improvement on the old version? I mean... it had split normal-pierce. On a weapon meant to kill slimes. Not to mention its [oil]poor charge time; at least it's currently in line with all its relatives and is actually, oh, I don't know, useful.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 17:17

#12

Lizzi

I think Gods-Corpse is mad that I handed his butt to him with a Super Blast bomb various times in T2 when he went on a sword frenzy... and the only way he could get back at me was with his trusty, stupidly-easy-to-use trollsar. You know what's even better than spamming a shard bomb every two seconds? Spamming an overpowered gun every half second.

But really, if the Nitro series was overpowered, don't you think you'd see more people using them?

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 17:31

#13

Doctorspacebar

The ISB is fairly useful now, at least for its intended purpose, especially if used in a team. I've seen Zeddy's and Brady's thread, and they prove the Shards can still be epic in the Works.

In Lockdown, however, they're no longer useful. The shards have small explosions that are easily avoided, and the damage is too low to be of any use. Bombers need some way to cause damage effectively; Nitro is great for keeping folks off your CP, but 1: guns exist and 2: people can see the blast coming, so they don't get hit and just wait outside, spamming Polaris. There's really no way for bombers to do anything but support and point defense, and they're even more easily shut down by an unboosted Polaris than they were before.

EDIT: Yeah, that explains a lot, Lizzi. Good work, keep blowing the little jerk to bits.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 17:50

#14

God-Form

The new sun shards are the

The new sun shards are the BOMB! Bravo again nick, and boo doctorspacebar BOO!

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 17:56

#15

Orangeo

"Thank the lord that nick

"Thank the lord that nick toned those troll shards way down. Those things were the devil "
Some flourish uses sure are happy that the shards got nerfed! It's just not fair if weapons other than swords or the polaris have any surmountable amount power after all.

I like how both sides think that this has anything to do with lockdown. The reason why it was made to 5* was because the developers noticed that people could make something on-par with 5* weapons for a 4* price. See the spur getting a 5* upgrade? Nope. Now imagine if the spur could solo the jelly king in record time. I rest my case. OOO money grab at its finest.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 18:16

#16

Lizzi

I agree that bombers are hard pressed to find situations where they could be useful offensively, but bombs can still be great damage powerhouses in LD. I can almost-consistently get damage that is on par with swordies. Of course, there still needs to be better damage bombs besides DBB and Nitro :c

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 18:21

#17

Doctorspacebar

@Corpse: No counter to my argument? "Boo" is not a counter-argument, it's a predictable Mario enemy.

@Lizzi: Impressive! Maybe I just need to improve... but yeah, we do need some more damage bombs.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 20:02

#18

Knight-Solaire

Praise the sun! \o/

I have changed my position as well.

A few seconds ago I was leaning slightly to the left as I was reading. Now my weight is shifted more to the right and I'm resting my head on my right hand.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 20:24

#19

Qazxedcv

Hammer for president!

@Herr doktorspacebar
I happily and with much gusto smash Gods-Corpse every time I see him, and am proud to say I have made him ragequit.

@Lizzi
GJ with the blast bombing, glad to see someone is keeping the old T2 offensive bombing torch lit.
I'll be joining you as soon as I can get me a decent (at least low) ctr'd blast bomb.

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 20:37

#20

Fallconn

FALCON PUNCH!

In that case; *Dusts off his Dusker gear and Swift Flourish* Its on >:L

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 23:30

#21

Vaynesky

for da win

Well, since I'm a newer player I have no clue what the old RSS was supposed to be like. Other than that, I do play a lot of LD and bombs can be useful, but not for damage or really taking people out. Personally, I prefer my fireburst brandish and cryotech MK II

#chargespam

PS- I lol'd on the Gods-Corpse responses above. I don't like playing against or with him/her. Mind sending me a friend request anyone who plays a good amount of T2 LD?

Thu, 12/06/2012 - 23:52

#22

Arquebus

Changing positions is a fun and healthy way to spice up your Spiral Knights experience for you and your partner (or partners!). The Reverse Gunner is a particular favorite of mine. There's lots more in the Bomba Sutra, too, if your party is feeling particularly adventurous!

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 00:20

#23

God-Form

qaz

Yea Qaz didnt just make me rage quit. I got so mad that i pounded the keys on my labtop then grabbed my dirty bowl that was sitting next to be and threw it at the wall which shattered on impact (luckly my mom was sleep). Yea then i made some lame excuse like,"you cheat qaz your a hammer spammer i dont fight cheaters" then went MOO! Slapped my big utters between my legs and ran away like a pathetic scared cow.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 12:22

#24

Dancinjen

The sarcasm is strong with

The sarcasm is strong with this one.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 12:41

#25

Thimol

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I wish this thread could be deleted.

Fri, 12/07/2012 - 13:33

#26

Orangeo

Arquebus lolololol

I used to play some T2 LD, but I'm yet to update my game. I had a quicksilver helm, dusker coat, low ASI flamberge, low ASI nightblade.

Premptive response;
"Whai u uoos flamborge inshtead uf flurish?"
Well, there are a few reasons. I've got full gold regalia for one, so that matches up well. The only counters for nightblade were skelly and angelic, and both of those were weak to fire at the time. Since flamberge had lower base damage (to balance out fire), the buffs from the dusker were less useable allowing me to justify getting a quicksilver helm. Felt the need to be a hipster.

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:22

#27

Hexzyle

http://forums.spiralknights.c

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/48564?page=1#comment-373398
How about a 5* upgrade to each of the Crystal bombs: One of them becomes does the regular stuff that it does now (the Radiant Sun Shards or whatever is the most favoured) while the other line (starting at 3*) is completely reworked into a multi-shattering bomb. Of course, each shard/fragmentation would do less damage than RSS, but there would be a frickload more of them, at plausably random times/directions?

Oh [Marisa], what have I done? D:

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:28

#28

Knight-Solaire

Praise the sun! \o/

@Hexzyle

Don't blame yourself. There's no way you could have known they'd actually read the Suggestions forum that day. It's not something that OOO is known to do :/

Sun, 12/09/2012 - 22:36

#29

Hexzyle

@Knight-Solaire

lol

They may not always implement ideas exactly how they are suggested, but they certainly do take a lot of inspiration from forum7.

Also, that thread was a rather dramatic one at the time in which it was written.

"Another idea is to just have a twice exploding crystal bomb. Easy. But balancing it is not...."

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 04:20

#30

Mouth-Aids

Holy cows, it's 6AM

/yawn

Mon, 12/10/2012 - 11:06

#31

Fehzor

A decent satire.

And @"Sarcasm!", because it annoys me-

Satire is a form or genre, like comedy or tragedy, while sarcasm is a style or tone.

Its the difference between having an accent towards a language and speaking a language.

Tue, 12/11/2012 - 05:22

#32

Pinkie-Girl

Hey Vaynesky add me, my IGN

Hey Vaynesky add me, my IGN is yhucps I do T2 a lot ! I will love to v you.....with a elemental set :P

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:49

#33

Lukehandkooler

I have changed my position as

I have changed my position as well. A few seconds ago I was leaning slightly to the left as I was reading. Now my weight is shifted more to the right and I'm resting my head on my right hand.

Was an unnecessary change. While guns and swords seem to keep most of their better features in all tiers of LD in spades, like range, swing arc, and distance Bombs just retrograde from bad to worse until we get to T1 where I assume its all like Hey Bro come stand in my mud puddle!?

I just built a new PC and I can only shudder at how unmitigatedly efficient killing is with a striker kit/max asi in a completely lag/stutter free pixalated world. Throw in a high rez monitor with extra inches and impulse time... you have all the tools to become a god amongst mortals.

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