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Wed, 12/12/2012 - 22:50
Sondrei's picture
Sondrei

I thought of adding Flame Cutters cause the Flourish line that has a fire inflicting type isn't popular or even used (I think) so i thought of some ideas about it...

Its about like the the Vile Striker line its very similar and the only difference is that this type will only inflict Fire......

4*- 5*

Flaming Striker - 4 star
Blazing Striker - 5 star

First don't say that FoV is the Fire inflicting Striker cause it does not do the same combo or charge as the original Striker does that's why its not really messing anything up, another thing is that it's already balanced out since the only thing changed on the Striker line is that it does Fire than Poison....

If there's any problem just say so and if you agree, then well you agree with me

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 01:01
#1
Oatmonster's picture
Oatmonster
Lick Number 58425

Um, why?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 01:26
#2
Bananaphonehaha's picture
Bananaphonehaha
Because the current cutter

Because the current cutter lines are very lackluster. Dealing only normal damage, and with a choice between dealing a not so useful status effect, or a damage bonus against a single family. No higher damage options(i.e levi, nitro) without specific bonuses for specific situations. I think a shadow line cutter would be interesting, as we have only had 2 shadow sword lines so far.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 05:06
#3
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
Someone, grab me my shotgun.

How is poison not useful?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 06:30
#4
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

Because poison just isn't the same as setting things on fire. I mean, why go for extra damage with every attack and healing reversal that makes Silkwings murder Trojans when you can have mediocre DoT instead? Look at the Flourish lines, everyone knows that Flamberge is far superior to Rigadoon! Who'd want a support status anyway...

/sarcasm

I see no good reason to implement a fire-inflicting Cutter-type sword. The damage it provides coupled with the low proc chance will make its effect minimal; you might as well go for the Poison-status version instead, which gives a debuff to the afflicted creature's attack and defence, as well as turning all healing on that creature into damage.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 06:45
#5
Qwez's picture
Qwez
uh...

@Aureate: Well Furious Flamberge has a higher proc chance than stun on Fearless Rigadoon, but stun was "fixed" so whatever. Which one to use depends on one's playstyle, but most people pretty much bum-rush, so Rigadoon would be better.

You know what needs some buffing before new weapon? DVS. Same proc chance as Vile striker, only increased damage... The most lackluster 5* upgrade in my opinion (similar to shards, but shards is easier to use than cutter while keeping safe)

New content does not solve old content problems...

Poison not useful eh?

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:52
#6
Severage's picture
Severage
...

I see no good reason to implement a fire-inflicting Cutter-type sword.

FoV anyone?

~Sev

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 14:55
#7
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

FoV LOOKS like a Striker, but it operates more like a Calibur.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 15:08
#8
Severage's picture
Severage
...

Ohh I see.

So this suggestion is...[meme]

Take a broken weapon that nobody uses

And give it fire because it's cool and nobody will use it.

~Sev

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:07
#9
Lezlyblaze's picture
Lezlyblaze
ummm

I think it's an okay idea... It would be cool if one could have fire and poison and everything would be shred to bits :D XD

@Severage we all know it's you, there is no need to type ur name @ the bottom

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:44
#10
Eagle-Warrior's picture
Eagle-Warrior
Bad Idea

First I'd like to say that the Dread Venom Striker and cutter lines have extremely high DPS and are already too good. A striker doesn't need fire if it already slaughters the enemy before it actually inflicts the status. Fire on a Striker is pointless. If you want to inflict fire by just just slashing and not charging then get a FoV.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 16:51
#11
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

It's called a Sig Lezly, some posters do that.

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 18:48
#12
Severage's picture
Severage
@Lezly:

1: It's a Signature.

2: I like to let people know what to call me if they want to shorten my name. I don't like people calling me "Severa" or something silly like that.

"First I'd like to say that the Dread Venom Striker and cutter lines have extremely high DPS and are already too good."

LOL. Strikers are debatably the worst DPS swords in the game...

~Sev

Thu, 12/13/2012 - 20:54
#13
Klipik's picture
Klipik

"If you want to inflict fire by just just slashing and not charging then get a FoV."

Or a Hot Edge/Searing Edge...

<(^_^)>

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 10:21
#14
Myphenox's picture
Myphenox
fire like cutter? answer....

fire like cutter? answer.... Fang Of Vog. so Klipik has hit the nail on the head really. im sure its similar but maybe slower. i would however like to see a bit more in the charge attack of the cutter series. though im not sure what. perhaps increased poison chance or does it already have that? maybe even faster swings and action speed from when the attack button is released?
any other ideas?

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 12:44
#15
Psychodestroyer's picture
Psychodestroyer

Can you read the whole thread before posting a 'solid' stance? Or at least admit you didn't read some of it?

"fire like cutter? answer.... Fang Of Vog."

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/70421#comment-595421

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:10
#16
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

This is like people asking for a fire Pulsar except it makes a little more sense.

I could be completely wrong and everyone is laughing behind my back, but when I use a Cutter I use it as an opportunist sidearm especially with bombs. Say I plant an Agni or Voltaic or Graviton or whatever. Preferably anything that still does something after the initial detonation. Blast lines and the Snarbolax bombs just detonate normally and deal damage in the area of effect, but everything else does something. What do you do while the bomb is doing something? You could prepare another one. Alright. Go ahead and do that. What if you already did something like the Agni-Voltaic combo? The statuses may only last a few seconds, but that is still a few seconds of waiting. What do I do in the mean time? Switch to a Cutter, slashy slashy time for a couple seconds, back to charging again. What about other bombs? What if you got a Graviton spinning? Do you just charge another one while you watch them flop around? Sure, using a Cutter in that scenario is more risky than the Seerus hammers which fly out of their attacking range, but you could still do it.

Then we have the people who use Cutters as primary offense. That means you frolic around and use it for most of the fighting. Alright. You can do that. Nothing wrong there. Now look at the two alchemy line options. Dread Venom can poison. What does poison do? Lower the attack and resistances of the afflicted, hurts them if something else heals them, and prevents them from healing itself. Sounds pretty gudd. Elmer Fudd. Why would you want to do that? If they have less defense then every swing from your jagged little metal stick now does more damage. It also has less defense so if it happens to hit you you can only be slightly mutilated as opposed to gorily splattered all over the walls. Use the poison to make the afflicted less dangerous to confront. Sounds reasonable. Like an assassin, find your mark, eat them up. Gobble gobble gobble. You are now a turkey. What about the other Cutter, Wild Hunting? Apparently it has more interrupting ability than its toxic sibling. A family bonus. Not a particularly useful one, but it does something. Now imagine these two together against, say, a crazily powerful Lumber with derpbillion health. Dread Venom lowers its defenses, damage output, and ability to heal if something is healing it. Wild Hunting interferes with its ability to fight back by slapping it in the face when it thinks it wants to attack. Bad giant Lumber. Go sit in the corner.

Where does a fire version of this come in? Nowhere. You know what fire is? It deals damage over time. Want to know what Cutters can already do? Flop around with a bunch of quick swings or flail a constant barrage of slashes while making the user move forward slightly so they can walk around while attacking whoever they are trying to talk to. Oh, hey there Billy, how are y- slashed into little cubed pieces and served on a dinner platter with toothpicks. It already can deal damage over time by constantly attacking. What if you tried doing that with other weapons with their little two or three basic swing combos? You get stuck waiting for the final swing to let them start swinging again, especially with heavy swords. Do you see a fire Troika anywhere? No, but we have a freeze one.

What swords can inflict fire from the basic swings that can compare to Cutters in rank? Fang of Vog to start. Why? The thing is a fang from the fire deity. Its basic swings are pretty slow. Its basic combo is three swings. Its charge attack is a homicidal spin of fiery death. What more do you want? Then we have Flamberge. Sure, swift slashes are nice, but how many people do you see using it? Besides me. I abused it when it had the friendly fire glitch and it only feels right to use it properly. How would someone use it? Again, going by how I use it, you take a couple quick swings then you can decide whether to leave them to burn while you ignite other things because playing with fire is perfectly fine or switch to another weapon to finish them off. Your choice. Do what you want. Because a pirate is free.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 13:59
#17
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

@Lugui: ...I'm not the only one who uses Flamberge?!
The reason I ended up using it in LD was because a) it was simpler than getting another Twisted Snarble Barb and b) it was fun watching Recons trying to cloak and run away, whilst still on fire and thereby breaking their own shields. Congratulations ninja, you just lost your invisibility powers.

Fri, 12/14/2012 - 14:20
#18
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

Remember the old glitch?

Friendly fire?

The training hall was never as fun after they fixed it.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 00:23
#19
Feline-Grenadier's picture
Feline-Grenadier
...

Overpowered cutter lines:

Shock line. The moaning in LD will be great.

Sleep Cutter. You heard me. SLEEP CUTTERS. You don't have a chance before the effect stacks like crazy.

Stun Cutters. There is no escape.

Underpowered cutter lines:

Curse Cutters. If it works like a Faust, the most suicidal cutter line. If it works like Acheron, its just another WHB.

Ice Cutters. Ice's point is to WAIT until the ice lets up. That wouldn't team up well with Cutter playstyle.

Meh lines:

Shadow Cutters and Elemental Cutters. They're just WHB's that do more damage to one family more.

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 11:09
#20
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

Curse Cutters... if it works like an Acheron

lolwat
Since when did they put curse on my Acheron?

Sat, 12/15/2012 - 13:36
#21
Steadyeyes's picture
Steadyeyes
Why not just change the FoV?

Well just lower the damage of the FoV, change the attack model to the Cutter's, add a 4* type of it, keep the charge (too epic to loose, I mean a fire halo, I have to admit its very cool) equalize it by making the charge time extended by a little bit, keep everything else, also the 4* type will be the same.

Sun, 12/16/2012 - 01:13
#22
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Aureate

Since when did they put curse on my Acheron?

They didn't. You weren't there when they were putting curse on Acherons, so you missed out.

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