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Sun, 02/03/2013 - 17:40
Sky-Scythe's picture
Sky-Scythe

Know what we need in Spiral Knights? Banks. Full fledged, fully functional banks. You know, you buy a 2k savings slot in the Auction House that goes for a set amount of time, and you gain interest over time. It would be unexploitable because the amount you can put into gets smaller or larger based on how big or small your crown wallet is (respectively). I would really like that! I think it would be a great feature to have and just so convenient, especially for those new players who are spending their money at the Haven Bazaar, getting highly overpriced items not knowing they're being swindled. Just a thought, but can you imagine the possibilities?

Of course, this would likely require a lot of programming, debugging and testing, but it's worth it, in my opinion. Wouldn't you say it could potentially work well, especially for those who don't have time to play usually? Please, give me your thoughts! I'm curious to see how others will view this subject. I'm open to criticism as should anyone else, but only if it is constructive! I don't think anyone wants to know their ideas are terrible without suggestion as to why they are terrible.

Anyways, I digress. Thank you for your consideration and I look forward to seeing the replies to this.

Tainted Perfection Officer Sky-Scythe salutes you all.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 18:44
#1
Zeyez's picture
Zeyez
eyes trying to see the end to another end

doesn't work
we don't need banks because:
> we already have unlimited inventory (in case you thought about use as deposit)
> you can create alts, deposit the money on the bank and only got back after 2 months, even 3% interest rate per week can be exploitable
> anything than increase the input money on the game need to be carefully studied, since it will affect all players, because can make the CE more expensive, this affect more the beginners/newbies

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:10
#2
Oatmonster's picture
Oatmonster
Lick Number 58425

Create a new account, take out a 20k cr loan, buy CE, mail to main account, rinse and repeat.

We have infinite storage, use it.

On the other hand, if you want to start your own bank, go right ahead.

Sun, 02/03/2013 - 19:20
#3
Sky-Scythe's picture
Sky-Scythe
Hmm.. Then maybe the term

Hmm.. Then maybe the term full fledged bank should be rethought. What if it were savings alone? Once a savings account is purchased for 1, 2, 5, or 10kcr, no more can be placed into the savings and none can be withdrawn until a certain time is reached (Which would be specified in the description of the account).

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 09:47
#4
Infernoburner's picture
Infernoburner
-1

^that still wouldn't fix the alt problem. Unless you get an unexploitable and actually useful idea for this, -1.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 10:52
#5
Oatmonster's picture
Oatmonster
Lick Number 58425

Mail 10k cr to 20 alts, get 20 times the interest.

Any sort of free limitless cr that doesn't require effort is out of the question.

Do you know why banks do what they do in real life? In the simplest terms, banks pay, using interest, to use the money you deposit.

There is no reason for OOO to establish a bank.

Mon, 02/04/2013 - 16:59
#6
Randomzz's picture
Randomzz
that and the fact

Interest would create a crown well (as opposed to a sink)

Getting crowns by going on runs creates a energy sink, so that evens out. Interest has no counter balance.

You might point out that the Elevator Pass also creates a crown well with no balance. However, the fact you are paying with real money for that counters the loss of CE on OOO's side (since all CE on the market came from CE purchase from OOO originally.

Unless you are paying real money to OOO, there can be no wells without a sink to counter it. Otherwise OOO makes no money

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 07:14
#7
Rogue-Wolf's picture
Rogue-Wolf
Make bank accounts

Make bank accounts non-withdrawable, but can be used for purchases. You drop in 20k, and earn interest on it, but that 20k can't be sent to another account.

Kinda like a guild treasury for you.

EDIT: Perhaps add that purchases made with an interest gaining account have certain percentage fees, based on the interest percentage chosen? So you can have lil' nest eggs, which gain nothing, but also don't cost anything. Opening and closing accounts also costs? I've no idea.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 07:47
#8
Little-Juances's picture
Little-Juances

"non-withdrawable, but can be used for purchases"
Ya, what do you think I was gonna do with the money anyways? Purchase stuff :P

"can't be sent to another account."
But the items bought with it could....

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 17:45
#9
Sky-Scythe's picture
Sky-Scythe
I've pondered this for a while.

All of you make very valid points, and with my minuscule knowledge of finances and such (why they don't teach it in school baffles me) I wasn't able to describe what I was thinking well enough for my tastes, so allow me to clarify a tad more : Rogue-Wolf's first post in this topic accurately describes my initial thought on the matter. Also, I know it wouldn't work overly well, but it's neat to think about, no?

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 18:50
#10
Oatmonster's picture
Oatmonster
Lick Number 58425

Ok, let's go with Rogue-Wolf's idea. Make purchases? Where? Trades? That would just be giving money that you generated from interest to someone. Auction house? That's just indirect trading. So I'll assume you mean vendors or the supply depot.

Here's something for you to chew on:

Make 20 alts.

Deposit money into "bank."

Gain 20 times the interest.

Get free items with free interest.

Mail free items bought with free interest to main account.

No, unless you actually have a way to stop people from exploiting this easily exploitable feature, it is not an interesting thing to think about.

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 22:15
#11
Rogue-Wolf's picture
Rogue-Wolf
My suggestion is basically a

My suggestion is basically a guild treasury for an individual player, which gains interest. Yes, you can purchase items and send them away, so it is still exploitable. My idea only fixed the "send free crowns to alts".

So, here's another idea. Items bought using bank account attach to the bank account, which are locked to that player; which can only be sold to vendors. In effect, you have two inventories. One of which gains money, the other doesn't. Depositing crowns into the account comes with a certain fee, depending on interest of the account and the size of the deposit (so, dropping in 20k, doesn't actually drop the 20k, say, 19k instead).

As for what Oatmonster said, obviously you would. There's no way to gain interest without actually being able to make use of it (that's kind of the point; it's not like a real bank will accept your money, but never give the interest it gains to you).

Gain 20 times the interest.
That's 20 times a fixed interest. For low amount, that'll be quite small. At some point, interest on one super account will outweigh multiple accounts gaining little interest (I'm too lazy to work out any math). So multiple accounts with small interest isn't "always" better than one account with high interest. Again, as I said depositing does come with a fee. You'd be weighing the cost of dropping crowns against how much you can gain from interest.

Plus, interest wouldn't give A LOT of crowns in a short period of time. So, unless you plan on making 20 alts, depositing a lot of crowns, then leaving them alone for months, it's a terribly long process for the sake of a few extra crowns; which you can just get by doing a couple of runs.

Banks strength lay with inactive players. Active ones get little out of it.

PS: If you mention "I can buy items with interest gained, then sell them; so it's exploitable". That's not really an exploit. If it gains money, the money can be spent. There's no possible fix for that. Real banks work quite well, so why would a virtual one fail so badly? (don't answer that, I can see the problems with it).

Tue, 02/05/2013 - 22:41
#12
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

People would still be getting free crowns by digging up some dirt and throwing in a few coins for a while and watching it grow into a metallic cocaine plant. Trying to pull "herp derp you only get a really small profit" makes the whole thing even more pointless and unnecessary.

Now cut it out. All of you.

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