Oh look this topic again. But this time I was wonder what's the best shield for FSC if you weren't going to go against Vanaduke. I haven't seen very clear topics about that so far. Thank you.
Best Shield for FSC
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 12:45
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 13:23
#1
Either GOwlite or CoA.
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 13:28
#2
VPS
For a swordie:
VPS --> fire + stun resist (trojans)
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 13:35
#3
Trojans are one enemy
however, I'd say that the shadow damage presented a greater threat than the stun status, since VPS won't help you all that much against zombies. It has an advantage against Vanaduke, true, but the OP already said he wouldn't be fighting him. Besides, I have no idea why VPS would be specifically good for a sword-user...
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 13:45
#4
my two cents
To a gunner, VPS might not be as useful as Swiftstrike Buckler. Maybe that's what Mistr-Bananafruit meant? On the other hand, Swiftstrike Buckler or Barbarous Thorn Shield might be great for a sworder. I often use BTS in FSC.
As the others have said, Grey Owlite and Crest of Almire are both great. VPS is great in depth 28, and not terrible elsewhere, but probably not as strong as Grey Owlite or Crest of Almire. Ultimately, your best choice depends on what in FSC is giving you trouble. For example:
* zombies? Crest of Almire or even Dread Skelly
* fire traps? Grey Owlite (they deal elemental damage, in addition to fire status)
* spikes? a piercing shield such as BTS
* nothing? BTS or Swiftstrike Buckler, for better offense
Sun, 02/17/2013 - 14:09
#5
fair fair
Bopp's point was right on, just depends what you struggle with. I tend to shield bump slags, but I guess I have more trouble guessing the hit radius of a trojan.
Wed, 02/20/2013 - 00:49
#6
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There are no dangers big enough in FSC to need other shields than BTS or SsB.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 02:17
#7
Well...
Well...
It really depends on what kind of knight you are.
If your a swordie knight I would suggest VPS or GOS
If your a bomber knight I would suggest Omega shell or GOS
If your a gunner knight I would suggest SSB or RJS The reason I suggest Royal Jelly Sheild is because it had good stun defence ( trojans ) and piercing defence (wolvers) those are the only two enemies in fsc that you will accually need to get close up and personal with.
If your a Variety knight I would suggest GOS or VPS
Sometimes it depends on your play style. If you like sheilding a lot go for the stronger sheild of the two just because you will have some good extra defence. If you sheild only when you need to just go with the other one.
It also depends on your armor. If you wear weaker types of armor (Gunner armor cloaks ect.) you will want a stronger sheild just to prevent you from taking too much damage.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 04:04
#8
responding..
"There are no dangers big enough in FSC to need other shields than BTS or SsB."
heeeh-heh-heh you don't know the dreadful power of 1 bar connection with low frame rate then an average gamer. (30/60/90/120/and so on....)
Kinda want to suggest to have more option to turn off animation like fire,shock..........i just go save money to build better PC...
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 13:55
#9
why would you suggest omega shell
it has no fire resistance and no shadow or elemental resistance, the only thing it has going for it is that health bar e.e
And why don't you even mention Crest of Almire? Are Trojans suddenly no longer a thing? Why the hell would anyone even want Royal Jelly in FSC? Ironmight would make a better choice, and Wolvers aren't even that dangerous. They crop up in exactly one room, in one level. Oilers are slightly more common, but even so, I would still say that Fire resist would be more important than piercing defence.
Also, not everyone is pro enough to bring a Swiftstrike Buckler. Although I admit that it's useful enough and it can take a slag lunge if you're careful and make use of the brief invulnerability frame, there are a lot of people out there with latency issues.
The issue with spikes is that they keep pinging your shield, so even bringing a piercing shield doesn't really help all that much. The pinging prevents you from moving anywhere fast, causing you to flinch, which means that you're liable to end up with a broken shield and a few bars of lost health if you messed up your timing. The logic is sound, but in practise it doesn't really work with floor traps or hazes (although it should do, really).
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 10:01
#10
Hey!
/agree Aureate
Omega Shell = pffff hahahahaha in the FSC ( lol )
Crest of Almire is the best shield for a Swordsman, because the Slags/Trojans melle attacks and the Slag Fire Breath.
If you dont have latency issues, use SSB or BTS. You dont need to be a Pro player to run FSC in the SSB. The enemies are very predictable.
/Chaos Set + Swiftstrike Buckler FTW!!!! xD
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 11:45
#11
I use omega shell in FSC.
But that's more of a hipster thing than believing it is actually a sane/sensible choice.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 15:39
#12
This is a message to anyone who said swordie.
Swordie means swordfish; the correct term is swordsman.
It's just a simple correction, and I don't mean any harm.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 17:34
#13
I don't understand why people
I don't understand why people bring Grey Owlite into firestorm citadel. The only elemental damage there is from the occasional Red Rover. 95% of the damage is shadow based, with a tiny bit otherwise being piercing (wolvers and oilers) or normal (vana himself, possibly trojans?).
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 17:57
#14
Advice~
Volcanic Plate Shield- If you shield a lot or get into many sticky situations.
Crest of Almire/Grey Owlite Shield- Best shield to use if you like to defend moderately (and against the slags).
Swiftstrike- If you prefer dodging and weaving over shielding.
Other shields are viable, but not that effective in FSC overall.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 18:10
#15
oh yeah VPS is probably the
oh yeah VPS is probably the best shield against vana himself, if you're willing to sacrifice effectiveness against the many many slags.
I STRONGLY discourage you from bringing swiftstrike, since basically anything in fsc will shatter it in one hit. BTS is probably a better choice for pure offensive setups.
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 06:33
#16
sigh
Batabii, we've been over this so many times. There is more elemental damage in FSC than just red rovers. For example, read post #4 above. Also Vanaduke's fireballs are elemental supposedly.
Edit: I meant the myriad fireballs in the mask stages. Also, fire traps are a big deal for people who lag a lot.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:22
#17
Vanaduke's fireballs are not
Vanaduke's fireballs are not an issue unless you run right into him...
Post #4 only mentions the fire traps. Which are both predictable and completely immobile. I don't see why you'd really want a shield specifically for them.
Thu, 02/21/2013 - 23:47
#18
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La-
Batabii, there's something that some people like called ASI.
Also, Bopp said that "if you have no trouble with anything". The only reason you would need BTS is if you need to block more often.
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 02:54
#19
Actually untrue.
Swiftstrike, if used carefully, can take hits from slags without breaking. It also holds up reasonably well against wheels.
It's possible to release the shield just as a slag hits it, so your shield is pinged and you get a brief invulnerability frame in time for you to sidestep. There's no damage to yourself, and your shield can put up with this without breaking. In exchange, you get ASI High to all weapons. Given that people are already using Chaos set with minimal defensive power and negative resistances, the Swiftstrike isn't nearly as bad as you make out... although I wouldn't recommend it to people who are starting out, it's a perfectly good option.
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 03:03
#20
@Batabii
You also know that
@Batabii
You also know that it doesn't matter whether or not you are charging at vana if he dashes at you. His fireballs come with him xP
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 05:33
#21
Volcanic plate shield can
Volcanic plate shield can take vana's strikes.
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 10:54
#22
@vinnydime
Yes, at the
@vinnydime
Yes, at the expense of any defense
@terra-necro
If you're getting hit by his fireballs, you'll be hit by his dash or other attacks regardless.
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 11:01
#23
BTS/SSB+Chaos
BTS/SSB+Chaos everywhere!
*cough*
Anyway,
If you can't dodge Zombies -- CoA
If you can't dodge Trojans -- VPS/CoA
If you are not patient enough to wait Fire Traps to end -- Owlite (yes, shield over the trap!)
If you are not patient enough to wait Spikes to go down -- BTS
If you are a pure gunner -- SSB
If you are a Swordie -- BTS/SSB
If you are a bomber -- Ask someone else
If you can't dodge Zombies+Trojans -- CoA
If you can't dodge Zombies and are impatient enough to wait Fire Traps to end -- Owlite
If you are fine at dodging and use sword -- BTS
If you are good at dodging -- SSB
Overall -- SSB! SSB! SSB!
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Attacks that break SSB in one hit
- Trojan
- Vanaduke
Others = SSB can take 1-2 hits
If you can't use SSB in FSC, where else would you use?
Fri, 02/22/2013 - 23:03
#24
>implying people with good
>implying people with good shields don't know how to dodge
SSB's ASI is beneficial, sure, but you basically TRIPLE your chances of dying. Not only does it have weaker health, it only has Normal resistance. Use it if you want, but it's not as "Easy mode" as eclaium seems to think.
"If you can't use SSB in FSC, where else would you use?"
How about "anywhere but tier 3"
Sun, 02/24/2013 - 11:40
#25
@Batabii
Just use that damn
@Batabii
Just use that damn invinci shield trick to make SSB tank hits. I did it several times when vana smacked his mace at me. Never broke my shield :P
Please don't have such a narrow view on SSB. I actually rarely use any shield other than SSB in FSC.
Sun, 02/24/2013 - 13:21
#26
what "invinci shield trick"?
what "invinci shield trick"? Sounds like an exploit.
Also I have got to get out of the habit of saying SSB, now that there's Shocking Salt Bomb.
Sun, 03/03/2013 - 07:42
#27
my drake scale shield still
my drake scale shield still holds 1 vana hit.
Mon, 03/04/2013 - 10:43
#28
Lolwut?
What "invinci shield trick"?
What dark ritual?
Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:01
#29
Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword
Is the invincible-shield trick really so bad? In LoZ: SS, if you don't time your shielding right, your shield takes damage, but if you do it right, it will not only avoid any damage, but sometimes even reflect the attack back at the enemy.
Consider the trick like shield canceling; it may not have been intended, but I don't think it's a bad glitch.
Mon, 03/04/2013 - 11:43
#30
Best is relative.
"Best" determines how bad(read: experienced) you are at dodging the various traps and monsters of firestorm citadel.
The reasons have been defined above, yes, but technically you can take -any- shield if you are proficient at avoiding attacks altogether.
For instance -I- take omega shell. Sure, itll shatter like glass if I find myself in ANYTHING that deals more than three-four constant hits to me, but really, what does that?
Slag walkers? No.
Rolling wheels? No (unless I stand like a fool RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT)
Spike traps? Ye- I'm not dumb enough to walk into those.
fire traps? Y- See above.
Wolvers? They don't autotarget anymore.
The dumb rocket puppy that respawns and has godtargeting? There's a projectile wall there for me to use, hurr hurr.
The ONLY things I am concerned about, in FSC, are Vana's mace (which does stun) and Trojans sword smashes (which do stun).
If I'm stunned, I can't dodge. And if I can't dodge, die.
So, I'll take omega. Sure I could take volcanic or one of the other plates, but Omega looks better on me.
And it suits me just fine. 'Cause hipsters are always suited fine.
Plus my omega shell can move trojans.
I digress, though. Take the shield that blocks what you would be most uncomfortable with avoiding.
Also, @Aureate:
Just curious, why are you advocating SSB for experienced players, but swatting down Omega Shell? They defend against the same things, except SSB gives you ASI at the expense of being a one hit wonder against -everything-.
Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:00
#31
i tihnk it is
i think volcanic plate shield even if i don't have it yet
Mon, 03/04/2013 - 12:10
#32
Volcanic plate Shield
Is almost perfect for Firestorm when it comes to tanking Trojans/Maces. and performs well at holding up against the deadliest statuses dealt in FSC.
It's a good choice, too.
Tue, 03/05/2013 - 05:00
#33
@Heavy-Dragon
Because if I wanted to use a good defensive shield, then I would use one that was appropriate to the situation. That defensive shield would probably not be Omega Shell. It's more that I can't really think of a situation in which I would rather have a ton of normal defence over either a) some split specialised defence or status resistances, b) universal ASI from Swiftstrike or c) sword damage bonus from BTS.
Tue, 03/05/2013 - 10:48
#34
The Normal defence, IMO:
Is negligible. Only a few things actually deal pure normal damage on T3.
Reasonable.
I prefer it because Omega shell -apparently- has a buffed shield bump that is useful against heavy enemies, and is better suited against (Surprise) damage types during runs.
To each their own, though.
Tue, 03/05/2013 - 14:47
#35
Dauntless omega
Omega shell is a melee tank, decent with bullets. Will take three hits from anything but a mace or office worker.
Vps is the vana tanking shield.
GOS is just an old method of doin it.
Dread skelly is for zombiehaters.
I use stone tortoise as a general purpose shield just cause i rarely take enough hits to break it.
