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Dark Retribution

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Tue, 05/07/2013 - 12:26

Terra-Necro

I have recently been using this bomb a lot in Lockdown. People have been having mixed reactions from it. Some of my teammates love it since it provides them with an area to retreat to to recover from an onslaught. Some teammtes hate it because of invinciframes (I can see why). Enemies find it a cheap bomb that is worthless, while others curse through the screen when they happen to pass into it by accident on the way back to their base and get killed.

So... please tell me if this is a bomb worth really using in LD. I love it since it complements my hide and strike tactic as a recon. But, I'd really like everyone elses' inputs.

Thank you in advance to everyone who contributes to the thread.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 12:44

Purifier-Dragon

your choice

a weapon is a weapon, and if you like using it. then certainly do so.
if a team member complains about it, see if you can fix the problem in a civil way.
you could leave, and join a different game. or you could ask them to leave. it's just a game.
if an enemy complains, it's just a cheap way of hiding a bad loser.
the point of pvp is to, well "beat" the other team. they might as well be asking you to stand in front of them and let them kill you.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 14:03

Zeddy

Wait

Are you saying you've managed to inflict more than 2 bars of damage to enemies with that thing?

'cause I have not.

Tue, 05/07/2013 - 14:03

Troupe-Forums

It's a terrible bomb for lockdown. The invinci-frames it gives lets you stand there taking next to no damage from the bomb and not take damage from other people's hits.

Wed, 05/08/2013 - 02:55

Terra-Necro

:O I've surpassed Zeddy! But

I've surpassed Zeddy! But yeah, I got a total of 11k damage one round with just the bomb. I personally think its role would be more of an area of denial since enemies won't be able to attack me while I'm within its field. So why stay there if they can't even hurt me. It's not as effective as VT, but it does better when used properly.

Wed, 05/08/2013 - 10:08

Zeddy

Indeed, it looks like you have things to teach me. Are you able to create a video of its effective use?

Wed, 05/08/2013 - 10:22

Little-Juances

Denying an area.... couldn't you do it better with a haze bomb?

Thu, 05/09/2013 - 02:22

Terra-Necro

Well, as you know, some of

Well, as you know, some of the higher-level LD players have status resistance uvs, so the aspect of switching bombs to effectively block of one player is rather bothersome, since we are, after all, limited to 4 weapon slots. One of my friends in particular has a max shock and stun skolver set, so that basically means 2 of the most effective haze bombs are useless against him.

The reason I felt DR was more of a better area-deny bomb is because there is no way to block its effects. No amount of shadow resistance makes you immune to the spheres. Also, because of the whole invinci-frame aspect, you can stay on a point even is an enemy were to waltz onto it. They wouldn't be able to move you off of the point.

And Zeddy, I unfortunately do not have a youtube account (or any video-recording device) at the moment. I could make one, but it would be difficult for me to find a good time to record. (I am not ingame very long, due to school, internships, teaching other students, the animation group I am part of, and other such miscellaneous matters) You could always talk to my guild master, Son-of-Hades, for more data and demonstrations of the bomb.

*You need to refer to me as Kiryufazer when talking to him xD*

Thu, 05/09/2013 - 09:38

Zeddy

No amount of shadow resistance makes you immune to the spheres. Also, because of the whole invinci-frame aspect, you can stay on a point even is an enemy were to waltz onto it. They wouldn't be able to move you off of the point.

Are you telling me you're actually fighting people in shadow armour with this bomb? 'cause I tried that, and the result was they simply stood in the effect of my bombs for the lols, being invincible. They could move me off the point any time I'd like, it's the enemy who gets invinciframed by it.

They may not be totally immune to DR, but it's enough for them to stand invincible inside it for somewhere in the area of half a minute. I'd much rather bring Ash of Agni or Venom Veiler. At least that'll actually do something should the enemy decide to step inside of its effect.

Thu, 05/09/2013 - 18:08

Terra-Necro

Did you try recon-marking

Did you try recon-marking those people? It should give them a reason to leave the bomb area.

Thu, 05/09/2013 - 19:09

#10

Zeddy

How did I not think about that?

Looks like I'm in for Lockdown science tomorrow.

Fri, 05/10/2013 - 06:58

#11

Reto-Da-Liz

A freind of mine and I went

A freind of mine and I went bombers and spammed dark retri like there was no tomorrow. Nobody could even get close to us. I think in a 6v6 with 3 cap points it could turn out to be somewhat useful.

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 14:53

#12

Poopsie

...

no-one trollaris at you both?

Mon, 05/13/2013 - 16:39

#13

Terra-Necro

Well, bombers always have to

Well, bombers always have to remember to avoid guns, so it's not exception for DR-users.

You also have to remember the nice charge time for the bomb, allowing your to step in, place the bomb, and quickly backstep away.

Usually if I bomb DR, I bring along a toothpick or a gun to handle some of the gunners who don't use sense and just stand in one place shooting. Sneak behind, strike them, hide, and return to placing bombs. The lasting length for the DR effect is comparable to any haze bomb, so there is enough time to do all that before your bomb disappears.

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