Spiral Knights - Contest Sponsorship by Three Rings?

Contest Sponsorship by Three Rings?

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Thu, 06/20/2013 - 04:19

Mayaura

Players like to sponsor contests from time to time usually because they have some interest in a certain aspect of the game. For example, back when I was writing my Fashion Appreciation thread and having a lot of fun making some nice costumes with accessories, I sponsored a fashion contest. Tevokkia is an accomplished artist and is currently sponsoring her second spectacular art and fiction contest. Since she herself is an artist, no one questions why she’d sponsor such a contest or question her qualifications for judging.

Basically everything we do in-game, including sponsoring contests, is because 1) we have some free time to kill, and 2) we find this game a fun way to spend it. Other motivating factors like a competitive drive or desire for attention might also come into play. If some players who are somehow in possession of hundreds of thousands of CE want to give it away in contests despite never participating in contests nor seeming to have any qualifications for judging one, then yay for us, right?

Since such contests provide some low-key advertisement or inspire a greater Internet presence for Spiral Knights, Three Rings has even been known to provide some Crystal Energy as prizes for contests. But what exactly determines whether Three Rings will donate to the contest or not? Are they secretly sponsoring contests through employee players? Can regular players like me somehow apply for CE sponsorship from Three Rings?

So, hey, Three Rings, since I’ve been submitting fiction to Tev’s contest and for my own fun in Treasure Vault, any chance you could shoot me 10,000 CE or so for an SK writing contest (fiction, essays, slogans, etc) I’d like to sponsor?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 05:39

Njthug

Close your mouth dont speak just feel me closer we become =0

@Washingmachine --- Actually even if you are an artist you can easily question anyones qualification for judging. Players who have hundreds of thousands worth of Ce because they are smart players and understand how to make money in this game and wish to share the wealth with the community I say kudos to them it looks like they are giving back to the community. I have to admit players like these are gems, I wish we had more of them

The players who post silly crazy theories about normal players being employees of three rings or having special connections without any proof or not even understanding how these players create money well I have to admit players like that are a HUGE negative to the community all they are doing is showing us how jelly king they are of others in this game that they created crazy ideas just to make them feel better. I hope we do not have a lot of players like this in the community like Eury said 2 1 of them do something productive for the community.

Why not ask three rings directly via the support tab instead of making a silly topic?

Do you have proof of Three Rings sponsoring any contest through employee players? Since last time I checked Tevokkia does not work for Three Rings

I dont think you are a regular player I think you are a very confused player....if I worked for Three Rings and had to make tough decisions such as these I would clearly say no since you get confused over regular players and three rings game masters and devs. I am honestly surprised you didnt give your account info to that fake game master on steam.

Side-Note:

This whole topic proves we can never have nice things like Puzzle Pirates due to huge negatives in our community.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:10

Worknplay

I thought Njthug was one of

I thought Njthug was one of OOO's bakers though, isn't he?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:00

Little-Juances

Let's count the amount of replies before things escalate and a GM closes the thread.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:08

Aveond

I know for a fact me and Hex

I know for a fact me and Hex don't work at OOO's, but some people could. :o
#4

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:11

Worknplay

If we add a reply count Echo

If we add a reply count Echo Of Silence members will spam until this thread reaches it's 69th reply.
I'm not even sure what kind of cataclysm would occur if someone dared stealing that 69th reply.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:23

Narfle

As the OP seems to be

As the OP seems to be referring to the cooking contest: No. The contest was not sponsored by OOO. I can tell you every piece of gear I sold to raise my part of the prizes. I have run around a dozen contests for my guild, given away around 100k ce in prizes (including the cooking contest), and none of it came from OOO in any way--it was all grinding, merching, and sometimes purchasing when sales weren't as good as I had hoped. If OP wants to run their own contest, they should do so without criticizing events that other players have organized purely for the enjoyment of the community. #6

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:22

Skyguarder

For sure, I'd be too inappropriate to become a GM :3

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 07:59

Dendios

Hyperion gave me 180k cr to

Hyperion gave me 180k cr to fund my Lockdown Tournament.

Thanks Hyperion! <3

Hyperion Edit: No, I didn't. Please do not spread false information. Thank you!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 08:03

Fehzor

Eh, idk about all of this. OOO giving players that sponsor these kinds of thing CE would be nice, but I'm scared OOO will take this to another level and make like a "contest hall" or something, which is unnecessary for most of the players, and would serve a relatively small genre of players.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 08:51

#10

Tevokkia

Well, then

Whether or not anyone with doubts on the matter believe me, I can assure you that I have no connection to OOO aside from being a fan: the job I've gotten recently that I've mentioned a few times is with another game company, WIN inc, where I freelance painting backgrounds and other game elements for a Facebook game called Slots Tale.

For my first contest, OOO was kind enough to donate some prizes, which was entirely unsolicited by me. I don't actually ask for donations of any kind, although some players have also been very generous in helping to fund these contests. This time around, I have not received aid from OOO and do not currently expect to (wouldn't want to be greedy). Being employed means that I now have less time to play and earn currency in-game, but also means I have more disposable income lately, so I have purchased most of the CE (plus the Battle Packs) being used in this summer's contest. The monster pockets being used for Community Favorite prizes were both won through OOO contests (the food scupture contest and the Valentine contest, respectively), and I shouldn't need to point out that were I an employee of OOO, I would not be able to enter such contests. (Although I also realize that I'm not the main person being insinuated as a OOO employee here - I don't frequent this forum and someone mentioned this thread to me).

So while wondering whether there could be an application process in place to request contest aid from OOO is certainly a valid point (and an interesting idea; I think that if the game was experiencing a lull in player interest while waiting for game content, encouraging players to host contests would be a good way to increase retention), I'm fairly certain that if OOO wanted to run a contest, they would do an official one as they've done in the past.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 11:26

#11

Stelli

tbh

100k is really like 3 clicks away:

45k + 45k + 20k

Some people have jobs.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 12:50

#12

Fallconn

FALCON Puh.....nvm

1: Grind 700k crowns
2: Wait till promo comes out
3: Buy it all off the AH
4: Wait 3-6 months after it's over
5: ???
6: Profit!
7: Waste it all on uv's!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 15:21

#13

Rating

/e wonders when

/e wonders when Dryingmachine's level of butthurt will reach a level that finally drives them away from Spiral Knights for good

Here's to hoping it's sooner than it takes this thread to get to 69 replies! :)

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 16:28

#14

Fehzor

Whats with all the hate comments? I could have sworn we had a rule against blatantly flaming people for no real reason?

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 17:03

#15

Mayaura

@ Notorious Jerk and

@ Notorious Jerk and Barfle

You asked me to stay out of your thread and I did. Too bad you couldn't show me the same courtesy.

You also said that if I had a problem with one of you personally, then I should contact you in game to talk about it.
Neither of you did that either.

Instead of following me around and harassing me in threads and after posts, you should at least try to follow your own advice instead of violating the forum rules by making more insulting posts like the one above.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 17:02

#16

Fehzor

And now you're hating on them too! Bah, you guys.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 17:13

#17

Narfle

What exactly about my post did you find insulting? And yes, thank you for keeping whatever personal problem you have with NJ out of our contest thread. The fact that I had to ask you to do that to begin with is regrettable, and the fact that your idea of 'courtesy' was apparently to start this thread is worse. I never said anything about whether or not you had a personal problem with me, or to contact me in-game. Asking you to not try to derail my thread, and then commenting on this is not 'following you' or 'harassing you,' and nothing I said violates forum guidelines in any way. It's just a pity that instead of this thread being a suggestion, as Tev mentioned, to perhaps create a formal way for players to request some small measure of support for running contests, it's whatever this is.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 17:40

#18

Luguiru

I brought those rubber walrus protectors you ord-

Solids, wrong door.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 18:17

#19

Grugwasasailor

that does seem likely to happen in the near future

seeing as OOO decided to give away a bunch of free ele passes to randoms in the past. However, 10k ce seems like too much and it boils down to a trust issue lewl as giving that much ce to a non-employee is a liability. They could instead give away unique/rare/limited edition items for a contest with an SK-exclusive poll.

LD is currently a good way to run contests if OOO ever decide to look into it but I'm afraid it would be horribly imbalanced because of
1)latency
2)AT assistance
3)UVs

All of which are designed to screw over foreigners like the time Buakaw annihilated Masato in K-1 MAX, the japanese were so upset that a national hero was beaten by the furious muay thai beast Buakaw Por Pramuk that they ( K-1) revealed a new set of rules immediately at the start of the following years event. These new rules stated that when a fighter initiates a clinch, he may deliver only ONE knee and then the clinch will be automatically broken up.

Now if you have ever seen buakaw fight, you know that one of his main weapons is the clinch. He likes to grab guys deliver anywhere from 5-10 knees in rapid succesion. Furthermore, he's one of the only top guys in MAX that utilizes a great clinch as an offensive weapon. And can you name a top K-1 fighter who hates the clinch and never initiates it? That's right, our Golden Boy Masato.

Even with the new rules in effect, Buakaw still got screwed over by the judges. It is my belief that should the old rules had been in effect, Albert Kraus would have been annihilated.

It's really ridiculous what K-1 did with these rules, obviously with the sole intention of stopping Buakaw from winning the Championship so that Masato could have a greater chance. Nice one K-1, discriminating against another asian. He may have the complexion of an african but he's still asian goddammit!

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 18:38

#20

Mayaura

@ Narfle

And what did you find me criticizing in the OP? I said such contests were a good thing - yay for us!

I never mentioned any contests or players by name, but rather raised some legitimate questions about contest sponsorship since Three Rings has been known to do this in the past.

Nj often stalks me around the forums and makes insulting and harassing posts like the one above. It would be great if he would never direct another comment my way again. I can only hope the complaints I keep filing against him will someday soon achieve some results.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 18:42

#21

Rating

(is getting old and can't remember)

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Thu, 06/20/2013 - 19:39

#22

Narfle

"Dang, I wish Three Rings would give me 100k ce to give away in contests! <69"

"Tevokkia is an accomplished artist and is currently sponsoring her second spectacular art and fiction contest. Since she herself is an artist, no one questions why she’d sponsor such a contest or question her qualifications for judging."

"Other motivating factors like a competitive drive or desire for attention might also come into play."

"[…] despite never participating in contests nor seeming to have any qualifications for judging one […]"

"Three Rings has even been known to provide some Crystal Energy as prizes for contests. But what exactly determines whether Three Rings will donate to the contest or not? Are they secretly sponsoring contests through employee players?"

---

It doesn't matter that you never mentioned any contests or players by name: you were making specific implications concerning the contest that NJ, Digi and I worked our [posteriors] off to organize. And I have yet to see a single person come forward to validate your opinion that OOO is, or has ever, financially supported player-run contests--their kicking in a few promo accessories to Tev's contest the first time isn't the same as asking for 10k ce.

So again, I just wish that if your intentions were to legitimately ask OOO if they would consider helping to sponsor a contest you were organizing/ask if OOO has ever provided financial assistance to sponsor a player-run contest/wanted to suggest a means for players to REQUEST said assistance, you would have done so without couching said questions in something negative. And your lumping me in with whatever dispute you seem to have with NJ does you a disservice as well.

You can try to justify all you want, I'm done.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:20

#23

Vesperaldus

Why isn't anyone humble

Why isn't anyone humble anymore?

Also, if you have pure intentions with this thread, Mawashimono (or any thread really), I would suggest you reanalyze the strategy in which you approach the subject. If not, then consider yourself lumped in with this "catagory" of people you seem to be targeting.

Either way, it seems you need to be doing something differently.

I could be assuming a lot worse here, but I'm trying to offer a friendly hand.

Thu, 06/20/2013 - 22:54

#24

Laadiesman

"Well, if Three Rings is

"Well, if Three Rings is going to give you CE for your contests, than it's only fair that they do the same for me!? Am I right?"

Well, it's like you said, the people who hold these contests are people who have a giant amount of energy and can do whatever they wish with it. They make these contests for fun, and so what if they may seem like amateurs or inexperienced in their judging. The contest is for their personal fun, and even for the fun of the people who watch and participate in them (either most of them or some). There may be some contests that might catch Three Rings's interest, and they may decide to help the creators of the contests by sponsoring some CE and so on. They may not have asked Three Rings if they could help them, and Three Rings intervened because they liked what that person or people were doing. I think you are just jealous, Mawashi. Your threads and contests are popular amongst the community, so, when you see amateur contests being liked by Three Rings, you'll get jealous, which is something natural, so no worries guys, no need to flame le WashingMachine.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 00:36

#25

Dendios

@Hyperion:

Sorry for doing that, I didn't really mean it.... I mean, it was just a pure sarcasm. :(

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 01:53

#26

Hollafamer

Mawa

Don't worry about njthug he is harmless, and this is coming from a guy who has had many many many arguments with him on these forums. He such a big 000 fan that I have come to believe his first born child will be named 000. There is nothing wrong with that just the type of guy he is.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:09

#27

Lightyourfire

Still counting?

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:27

#28

Worknplay

"Narfle --- He is a chill

"Narfle --- He is a chill dude from a guild filled with perverts! He is from Impervious one of the most prestigious guilds in the game" - Njthug
There's something terribly wrong with this quote. Narfle isn't a chilled dude and Impervious isn't prestigious at all. The only point that seems right would be "a guild filled with perverts". The rest has been proved to be wrong by the flaming started above, courtesy of Narfle. I truly hope this kind of player doesn't get sponsored (and I'm sure they don't), that would be a terrible mistake.

#30

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 02:38

#29

Laadiesman

Ah bleh, I just skimmed OP's

Ah bleh, I just skimmed OP's original post. I think my first post here is irelevant, i think. eh it's 5am for me, my mind is thinking of twinkies and katey perry.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 12:57

#30

Lightyourfire

@Worknplay

You can maybe say those things about Narfle (I don't know them well enough to judge) but there is no way in hell that Impervious isn't a prestigious guild. Anyone who's been around the game for more than a year knows just how large Impervious was, and the kind of influence it had. You obviously must be pulling this out of your [bucket] just to prove a point, but you're in way over your head now. I'm gonna leave some things out for others to call you out on, so I'll just end this by saying that you shouldn't try to make an argument when you don't even have anything to back up half of what you're saying.

Edit: apologies for the profanity

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:00

#31

Worknplay

I tend to remember bad

I tend to remember bad elements of a guild more than good ones. From the moment I discovered Impervious - the rough way, in LD - all I've seen is those players constantly raging, insulting amongst others for the many reasons one can find in LD to justify his death. As for their contribution overall to the game I suppose indeed they contributed to Spiral Knights in devilizing game features such as AT, combo-ing and EVEN charging your attack.
Sadly I don't take screenshots of them people harassing me in Lockdown, that'd be gigabytes of jpeg's now. However if I did I would sure as hell have a folder dedicated just to those players.
Being an Imperv' yourself (I think, can't recall) I'm sure you've noticed those behaviours as well as I did. But it's hard, biased as you are, to admit it and I totally understand.
Now that's my opinion and I'm all entitled to have it and share it. I've been in the game for over 2 years. I don't consider their influence positive, and prestigious/known are two way different things.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:14

#32

Lightyourfire

I've personally never been a part of Impervious, as for the things you've said about the players there, I can probably count on one hand the amount of Impervious members I've personally seen do that, it all depends on the player I feel. As for the point of prestigious not being the same as known, you're absolutely right, but I feel that a large majority of people respect Impervious that know of the guild, unlike guilds like The Jempire which everyone knows, but you can never get one compliment about them from most people. As for some general LD strategies they had, I don't think people should be judged by that, it's a matter of playstyle, even though I know there are certain playstyles more difficult than others.

Also, I respect the civility of your reply, I'm sorry about possibly being a bit harsh there, it's just that I feel very strongly about certain things in this game, and one of those things is respect for the older guilds who've created a legacy for themselves

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:25

#33

Worknplay

It's k :D They changed a lot

It's k :D
They changed a lot recently, I even made "friends" with the one person who was flaming me the most there.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 03:50

#34

Glittertind

"This whole topic proves we can never have nice things like Puzzle Pirates due to huge negatives in our community." -Njthug

Wow, someone sure is mad. Hahaha.

"The players who post"
"without"
"even understanding how these players create money"
"I have to admit players like that are a HUGE negative to the community"

Oh the ironing.
'Cause your post is like... Throwing a can of gasoline on a candlestick, then pointing at someone else and saying: "Look what you did! This is all your fault!"

"There is nothing wrong with that just the type of guy he is." -Hollafarmer

Correct me if I'm getting this wrong, but if you ask me that's like saying that he can say whatever he wants (including, apparently, actively stalk peoples threads and derail/flame them) just because he is Njthug.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 05:05

#35

Bleyken

Funny

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 05:45

#36

Narfle

@work

You can think what you want about me (You don't know me, I don't know you, and I make no such assumptions about you or your guild), but if you don't expect me to speak up and defend an event that I spent a considerable amount of time raising money for, organizing and running, for the good of the community then you would be wrong.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 05:59

#37

Hexzyle

@Aveond

I know for a fact me and Hex don't work at OOO's, but some people could. :o

Me?

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 06:11

#38

Asthix

Wow

I am glad I didn't join EoS after seeing this.

Just spitballin' here, but why shouldn't a OOO employee be allowed to spend energy on their private character in the same ways we can? Some posts here smack of elitism.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 06:19

#39

Artistbma

Well. There has been so much

Well. There has been so much twisting of words done in this thread, I can barely tell if even I'm saying what I mean to say. I won't get involved, although I will say that hating on someone's guild because you don't like them or a few others is a huge low.

Work this thing out, k?

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 07:12

#40

Han-Shot-Last

Rating that doesnt count. its

Rating that doesnt count. its supposed to be below the waist, like this.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 10:03

#41

Wodanct

"Are they secretly sponsoring contests through employee players?"

That's all it took to make certain players cry. These forums are changing for the worse more and more. I'm not taking any sides since I've honestly quit playing SK again. Just taking a look around for the forums for anything that might be interesting.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 12:39

#42

Dragonuity

They'd better start running

They'd better start running some contests.... official ones too.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 13:02

#43

Sweet-Hope

the only thing you would get by doing this kind of thread its make OOO away (more than is now) from players to sponsor an event if they like it. maybe they saw this and look that "someone" couldnt take this in a better way and for them the best thing to do from now it just not get into players contests trying to help them. also i agree this its a bad way to approach OOO to sponsor something.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 13:23

#44

Worknplay

OOO shouldn't be sponsoring

OOO shouldn't be sponsoring any event; if they're going to help around events, it's by creating them. In my opinion, sponsoring from OOO would be a serious form of bias and that can't be allowed.

Fri, 06/21/2013 - 21:07

#45

Mlkl

This post is confused.

Well, you have to appreciate the sheer audacity of just asking. On a forum. Full of people watching. On the internet.
On the other hand, I really don't get how the fire started. Expecting morals from the internet is like expecting your child to suddenly start reading Shakespeare.
Either way, it'd be interesting, just remember trust is very hard to attain.

Sat, 06/22/2013 - 02:13

#46

Troupe-Forums

lol

mawa likes to make eury dissapoint

Sat, 06/22/2013 - 08:04

#47

Klipik-Forum

I tried to read this thread, but I hit a brick wall of "no one here is saying anything that will make any difference ever to anyone" and just couldn't. SO instead, I will skip to the end and say: Can OOO just hold their own contests with their own prizes, to eliminate the possibility of whatever this is happening?

Sat, 06/22/2013 - 08:37

#48

Eurydice

Community Manager

Oh, good grief. When we spot

Oh, good grief.

When we spot a contest we think has merit, and that is being run without drama, we may from time to time kick in some CE or prizes to add to the array of prizes the player contest runner has already arranged. We reserve the right to continue to do this. We also reserve the right to not do this (we steer clear of concept art contests for fear of appearing to promise to put a design in the game, for example), or to stop doing it altogether.

If you want to draw our attention to a contest (yours or someone else's), the way to do that is to send in a support request about it. The way not to do it is to go all, "I'm going to make veiled accusations about nepotism and favoritism, and then if you don't cave and give me CE, I'm going to take it as proof of my wild conspiracy theory."

For the record, we don't sponsor contests through secret employee players. The contests you're alluding to are run by people who are players, not employees, and who have proven they can run a big, nice contest without a corrupt outcome, without disorganization, and without personal drama. Kudos to them for achieving that.

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