@cirno: may I remind you that brandishes are a little OP and too easy to use?
anyway, good work. but for combuster, couldn't you borrow the ability of violent heart attack instead? seems more fitting, and has more uses.

Well, just make the brandish lines harder to obtain.

This balances, makes everyone selling said lines on the AH be able to sell them for probably double their current price... everyone's happy!

"Many of these gun-like swords remove the need of getting a varied loadout, i.e. bringing a gun or a bomb."

I call BS on this statement. You don't know how much times I brought out my Argent Peacemaker out while going up against Kats because they are almost impossible to deal with using swords in T3 without getting damage, even with the range attack of Sealed Sword Line weapons or even with what everybody keeps calling the "OP brandish line" weapons. I have a Combuster which is considered to be the most powerful of the brandish line weapons, and I keep dying to kats with their insane dashing everywhere and Sealed Sword Line weapons do not help with how slow they are without ASI boosts. Before I got an Argent Peacemaker, I HATED going through Candlestick Keeps because it's nearly impossible for me to not die no matter what swords I brought.
By getting an Argent Peacemaker, not only am I now able to go through Candlestick Keeps without dying left and right all the time, but I no longer fear them like mad, and no longer die like mad while engaging Kats, because I have a decent range attack.
I can also kill Howlitzers AND blow them up before they reach me with a gun. I can snipe unreachable turrets if I have a gun with me. If there was a turret that was unreachable by a sword's normal slash, would you really try and spam charge attacks a Divine Avenger, noting that DA's charge attack also prevents you from moving to kill them and keeping in mind that the projectile really does mediocre damage or gun them, keeping in mind that most guns still allow you to move while shooting? Also... FIENDS.
There are also guns out there that can interrupt turrets and stuff too. And other examples that I haven't listed where bringing guns with you would be useful.
Bombs also have their uses, such as Graviton/Electron Bomb and then a Brandish Line charge. Or something like shivermist buster, which can save your life if used right.
Remove the need of getting varied loadout like bringing a gun or bomb? Complete BS from my personal experiences.

Besides if Phantoms can shoot projectiles with their charge attack, T3 Mecha Knights shoot bullets with their charge attack, T3 Thwackers get the ability to throw their axes at you and Overtimers get the ability to either whack you with their spear or throw it at you, why should we not get a projectile charge ability with our swords? This is a fantasy game after all.

I'm all for variety.

But, in the end, I see this turning into some iteration of 'zerg rush OP' argument....
(An argument in which [insert OP metagame/weapon concept here] is overpowered because the game designers saw it fit. Due in part to, but perhaps not wholly relying upon, the requirement of the user to master [insert a semi-difficult/difficult to perform trick of the mind/calculation (normally some manner of muscle-memory requirement)] in order to be able to use the [insert metagame/weapon again] as effectively as they do.)

There's also the fact that the devs would require some time to make each individual charge and yadda yadda.

Brandishes need a change, sealed lines are pretty neat in my book though.

@Orangeo
Dashing Nightblade? You mean similar to the River Master Musou attack? (see 1:07) Man I love that blade. And I would thoroughly enjoy witnessing that concept (Spiral'd up anyway) in something that's not requiring pay.

/end@orangeo

@Cyderiax
All the above examples you used did not involve wave-like explosions that carry the opponent into extraordinary 5-hit territory much unlike the brandish culprits. DA and GF have a somewhat legitimate charge in my eyes due to the fact that they can be cancelled easily, the bullet has some difficulty carrying the enemy, and other such issues that balance it to a degree... but those are also HEAVY class weapons.

Heavy class weaponry takes pride in the fact that despite their slow attack speed, they can perform a sweeping, high power attack that will likely eliminate the target(s) in less strokes than the competitor. This should especially count in the CHARGE ATTACK department in which they need time to ready, let alone execute, their attack. Brandishes (Combuster especially) break this mold, which makes people believe that the heavy swords are more a waste of time because the heavy swords have little else on their side apart from 'safety', which is argued against by the truth that the safest enemy is a dead one.

Granted, brandishes require some mastery of their mechanics, I will not deny this. It takes some time to be able to effectively take on certain enemy types, but the payoff is that this weapon styling can literally cover all your bases when in the clockworks. Need a bomb? Brandish. Sword? It's a sword already. Gun? Just make sure there are floor tiles (which are kinda required for you to explore here).

/end@Cyderiax

Tbh, if the brandishes functioned as per the mecha knight brandishes/edges (Darkfang Brandish anyone?) I'd be happier. It'd be neat to be wielding an effective weapon that the monsters do.

But then again we already have the almirian spears.... they just changed the damage. :P

If the sword is part of a line, then it needs to have the typical features of this sword line:
Brandish
Deals split normal/something damage
charge has explosions

I wasn't talking about balance, I was saying that it is wrong in my eyes that you don't need a gun or bomb just because you have a brandish-line weapon, because AS I STATED... "You don't know how much times I brought out my Argent Peacemaker out while going up against Kats because they are almost impossible to deal with using swords in T3 without getting damage, even with the range attack of Sealed Sword Line weapons or even with what everybody keeps calling the "OP brandish line" weapons." And I think you missed something. I did talk about the Brandish-line weapons. I'll also include here that the charge attack doesn't help against them for me. While the damage is pretty high, I've barely ever found use for the charge attack of the Brandish line weapons against T3 Kats and Fiends.
Even with the broken damage of the charge attack of the Combuster, it doesn't help against kats without a gun for me against multiple Kats. Heck, with the AP alone, I can solo Kats in an Ash tail set but not with a Combuster. Also... FIENDS. I used brandish-line weapons, and it doesn't help at all against them. Especially Devilites. Something like the shivermist buster makes non-ice devilites sitting ducks on the otherhand.

Really, if you want balance, you can just weaken how much the explosions do for the brandish-line weapons. (And as you stated, it needs a floor for actual range, and to be honest there are lots of moments when there's no floor between you and the enemies, who will all turn out to be projectile spammers) If you still think it's too OP, then by all means change it up. EDIT: I checked the damage for a bunch of sword weapons. Combuster is indeed OP in terms of damage. Although I wasn't making the point in the above post about that. (Also Sudaruska and Triglav are underpowered)

I'd get into metas on how to annihilate fiends & kats w/glacius or voltedge (which could be progressed to combuster) but honestly I'm sick of seeing them. Glad to know not everybody is all that dedicated to the idea.

Regards to floor tile issues, more oft than not, I walk with people who dodge/tank and know how to close the gap whilst doing so pretty quickly. No matter the challenge, floor tiles exist to nearly every enemy/turret available. (I bet shield tanking sucks in elite in multiple cases). Only time this isn't the case are RT boss, turret room in charred court/occasional wheel launchers, and vana fireball madness (where you could change that). This is in respect to enemies, not switches (for which pots and other media are still provided). That's my say on the situation.

I misread your post. For that I do apologize, I lead myself to infer that you thoroughly believed brandishes were balanced... When you're really just saying that it's extremely difficult to reach the point of exploitability that we die-hards can see extremely often. (2+ years in SK w/ relatively hardcore game background can blind a person to others status due to complacency and other carp like that)

I don't intend to jump down throats (okay occasionally I do), but I will not allow anyone to go unchallenged with the view that brandishes are balanced, because frankly, their skill/reward could quickly become comparable to autoguns in my eyes. Glacius could act as a starting point and combuster will just be a mastery point.