I'm sorry if this has been asked before, but I had to ask. Why was the forge system was added because I really don't see the point. It just over complicates a very simple possess in my opinion.
Why do we need a forge system
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 12:24
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 12:34
#2
OOOOOOOh
Oh so it's meant to make the game last longer since energy cost are gone.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 12:42
#3
The forge business doesn't
The forge business doesn't seem like a good investment for OOO. If it's doing anything to the game, it's only making players angry. OOO should just add accessories and costumes to the supply depot, and they should make money off of the game that way. I have a bunch of stuff that I want to get; twilight aura, Dusky Cat Tail; only one person gets the desired accessory from the AH, but if we were to have those accessories on the Supply Depot, there would be groups of players all getting their desired cosmetics. The desire to buy energy would go up, clearly. Everyone has a 100% chance at getting their desired cosmetic from the Supply Depot, unlike the Auction House, where only the highest bidders gets to win the cosmetic, and thus lowering the chances of people wanting to buy energy.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 12:50
#4
The forge business does not strike players fresh to the game as being deliberately unfair.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 12:51
#5
Without the forge, you'd maka a 5* in a single day. Now you need to farm for at least 2. Still not a big deal.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 12:59
#6
One of my guild members has
One of my guild members has been playing the game for less than a month. The guy now has 4 star gear and is stuck on Hall of Heroes. He hasn't paid a cent to the game, yet. He probably played a few times a week for 5 hours or so.
I've crafted an Avenger, Faust, Divine Avenger, and Gran Faust in less than two weeks. That's also without using real money on the game, meaning it was much easier for me to do now than before the removal-of-mist-update.. I've found a lot of eternal orbs; I wasn't even in search for them, I was searching for Shinning Crystals.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 23:22
#7
yep, without forge and free elevator costs, people will raise their gear quickly, since they can have the enough patience to drop orbs since "there nothing" that stop them. then we going to have 5 stars vanguards players in 1-3 days at max. and well people will get bored and leave the game or just grinding and grinding for whatever they want.
Forge isnt that bad, is just people that dont get used to it. or people (not saying all) that just grind boss missions (in boss missions you cant heat so easily now) or just people that play alone (idk if this is true, but when im going to clockworks with a pary i get more fire crystal frm boxes rather going alone but this is something that need to be tested before to be confirmed as proof)
also people that just dont search in a right way (for example there was a guy complaining about was useless to go arcade because he tried 2 times to get in treasure vault to get a lot of crystals and failed) but honestly treasure vault worth it but you can get more crystal if you do: danger rooms, open energy gates, doing arena, exploring the whole level etc etc etc.
also there just few missions where they can grind if they like a lot to do that (for example in cold blood).
So, either people get used to Forge or we go back to the Mist energy system which will make people rage a lot because they cant "play as much as they want" forever and then we going to have the daily Energy system complain (well now is forge but seriously isnt that bad).
people just overreact about that -_-. honestly i just feel it like the same sytem and one of my guildies started a new character due he got bored of his old char and now he is about to hit 5 stars (he need only the helm and the armor) the difference about why he can do it faster? he looked to the best gates to get his crystals, even he farm cold blood mission, and even he go to arcada with us since we plan what floors take and which one avoid.
Honestly i just think people need a bit more of information about "where and how to" farm those crystals.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 14:13
#8
SO that...
Its so that people turn a flourish into a final flourish in one day
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 18:56
#9
Not enough fire crystals to forge
Well, I don't think that I can forge, though. Cause I don't have enough fire crystals. But how do I get more fire crystals?
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 19:06
#10
I agree
I agree with Velatous the forge system is a bit lame.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 19:10
#11
Not enough fire crystals to forge
You can sometimes get them in treasure boxes or mission rewards.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 19:32
#12
I just still don't see it's purpose.
Look I'll give it to Three Rings for wanting to make money, because that the soul reason for adding the forge system is to make you want to buy the fire crystals rather than spend the hours upon hours looking for them. That which considering the alchemy orbs are already pretty hard to find I don't think having the forge system on top of that is really necessary. Also I personally think the cost of how many fire crystals you need should be a flat rate rather than the honestly outrageous cost it take for it to go from lets say level 9 to 10 (it's 34 for the min option by the way and yes I Know that's only for 5* but I still think that's a little high).
At the same time though I do see how this is still better than the energy system and if Three Rings really believe they need the forging system to justify removal of energy cost that's fine, I just want to voice my complaint as a fan on how I don't see it's necessity. Additionally the argument that it makes it too easy to make high level items is shallow in my opinion because it's still really @%$#*!& hard to just find tha alchemy orbs and those people who do find them easily and make items quickly are probably spending nearly 10+ hours a day 7 days a week on this game.
At the end of the day the forging system is a new system and I don't think it's 100% perfect and I'm just voicing my concerns about it. I personally don't think it's necessary and at the very least I think it need to be tweaked a little bit more. One thing I would like would at least be the option to fuse lesser fire crystal (and maybe alchemy orbs) into the next tier up, so for example it would cost amount of cracked fire crystals to make one dim fire crystal. Perhaps I should go to the suggestion forums with this, but when I first posted this I just, strictly didn't see the point and I was hoping there would be some kind of developer explanation. However I couldn't find it and my next thought process was that someone on the forums would probably have it or know where to find it.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 22:57
#13
@Velatous
You can't expect to get 10 alchemy orb in 5 minutes. If you are too unlucky, then buy it from Supply Depot.
Before update:
If you grind, you get crowns, mats, and armor/accesories(1%), darkfang shield(0.0000001%)
After update:
You get crowns, mats, free orb(1-10%), fire crystal (40-60%), and armor/accesories.
Much better.
About the forge, I think someone has already explained it :>
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 23:01
#14
Before update:
You grinded in
Before update:
You grinded in the same place forever and ever. And once you became 5 star, you grinded in a new place, and stayed grinding there forever and ever and ever, with the most detestable happily ever after you will ever experience.
Mon, 08/19/2013 - 23:42
#15
before the update you had to
before the update you had to kill everything and pick up everything on each floor, or it wouldn't be worth your mist.
now you can just run through the arcade and just go for the boxes.
personally if i'm running low on crystals i just jump in a mission or gate and run through it to open boxes, don't even bother killing anything unless i must
Tue, 08/20/2013 - 01:32
#16
Gonna hijack this thread
Gonna hijack this thread because I'm a [bucket] and do what I want: I'm running out of 4* fire crystal thingies and still need 4 levels to upgrade my Atomizer into a AoA, where can I find them? So far I keep getting 3 stars and 5 stars but no 4 stars.
Tue, 08/20/2013 - 06:17
#17
there was a guide just a week
there was a guide just a week ago or so..
but it's depths 19-22? i think that has has the best rates for 4* shiny crystals
what you should do is jump in iron skull at tier 3..
run past the first stage ( decon zone ) don't bother killing anything, if the key is on the way you can open the treasure, if not just go to the end.
the next stage has a chance of a treasure vault, and if you don't get it, retry.
just keep doing that and you can rack up heaps of 4* crystals
you don't have long to keep doing this
Tue, 08/20/2013 - 06:39
#18
By the power of IRON SKULL...
...I have the power
(um...yeah... guess I meany grey skull)
- to be able to craft when I want with enough effort placed into searching for alchemy orbs. I found that after the update, I was given the orbs I needed to craft another line of weapons and armor thanks to having already been a vanguard and having already completed the missions to grant me the vanguard ranking. And if forging were not there then my advancement through the game would merely be a matter of when I got the requisite orbs per rank, with is made even more possible with the increased AND reduced difficulty settings for every mission.
I have never been in a rush with the game so the forging system evens out the pacing for me. Plus forging for the prize box is also a nice incentive to keep at it, although i have yet to win something myself.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 12:23
#19
Here's the thing with Forges.
Here's the thing with Forges. It's forcing me to play T2, which before, I didn't. It's also forcing me to play more in general. So as far as encouraging the players to play more, it's working. It isn't just FSC any more. Now you gotta play some T2 to get those Shining.
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 12:51
#20
Actually with a recent patch
Actually with a recent patch you are no longer forced to grind for lower level crystals as you can now forge "down" - 5* crystals can be forged down to 4* and so on. Though it's certainly cheaper to play lower level stuff. :D
Sat, 08/24/2013 - 15:13
#21
with the power of BK farming, you can have all the crystals you want. I wanted crystals for forging my supernova to level 10 and now I have 134 more crystals.
Sun, 08/25/2013 - 03:31
#22
Forge...
Is so annoying and i need to do so many t3 gates for farming enough (4*) crystals. But it prevents people to farming vana all day cause you need the sub 5* crystals that you cannot find in Vana. Is more annoying if you need to heat a ful 4* set ,(armor,cap,shield,weapon) in this case you will need to farm orbs and crystals and orbs are very rare i can find one in 5-6 runs from ember to the clockwork station.
Sun, 08/25/2013 - 03:51
#23
you know that you can downgrade crystals right? do you can farm FSC nonstop and then downgrade.
for the orbs, do IMF on elite. preferrably arcade IMF.
Again, would you rather have the forge and free elevators?
Or would you rather have no forge system, but an elevator that costs energy?
It prevents people from playing all day without anything stopping them. No forge, free elevators, you could finish the game in seconds.