I was chillin one day playin random team LD when a sudden terror filled me. What if OOO introduced a new line of bombs? And not just ANY type of bombs... CURSE BOMBS!
I mean.. just think... NO ONE... and I mean... NO ONE... would stand a chance against a bomber with a Curse bomb... it would be... chaotic. So let's pray that OOO doesn't create such an abomination in this wonderful game of ours. :D
I was chillin one day playin randon team LD when a sudden terror filled me. What if OOO introduced a new line of heavy swords? And not just any type of heavy swords... CURSE SWORDS!
I mean.. just think... NO ONE... and I mean... NO ONE... would stand a chance against a swordsman with a Curse sword... it would be... chaotic. So let's pray that OOO doesn't create such an abomination in this wonderful game of ours. :D
...too late.
All you need is an extra weapon slot. Or a gun. Spam that bomb all you want, a polaris will sweep you away :P
It doesn't really have to be different, does it? You can only triple-max your amour, so there are only so many statuses you can be immune to at the same time. Triple-immunities also removes defences. Offences, if you're using defensive gear to be immune to even more statuses.
At the very least, you could never become curse immune while wearing Chaos unless you sacrificied your pentas for it.
I'm glad noone's chimed in with "curse bomb would be OP" since curse is a really weak status and all.
Yeah Curse Bombs wouldn't do much in PvP. Unless you got Jempiracle coordination, nothing stops a striker from just boosting out of the effect... or through it to stab you. You'd have to combo it with like a Stagger or VT to keep you safe.
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@The-Mighty-Potato This is how I read your comment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS55gsJUBwQ
A curse haze bomb would probably be balanced in PvP, considering how easy it is for people to see and avoid hazes. Low curse would also not inflict enough damage to immediately kill an attacker. It would be very underpowered in PvE, as most monsters do not attack nearly fast enough for the curse to be inflicting tons of damage. The only exception would be Silkwings, which perform a constant action. Even Menders probably would not die that easily, especially in T3 when their healing power is pretty ridiculous.
However, I could see a chance-to-inflict Curse Blast bomb (inflicting shadow damage, of course) to be a very nice addition to the SK arsenal. This bomb would probably be a DBB clone with a slightly slower charge time or speed penalty, and have a Low chance of inflicting Moderate Curse.
@The-Mighty-Potato exactly my thoughts XD way to OP.. because no matter if they use a FF or Striker to get through it... whoever gets in the chaotic haze will be marked :P makin every one of there swings a smack to their own face. :P
It'd be strong and a nice deterrant and all, but ultimately it'd be pretty damn far from OP. Let's not forget that any competent LD player can avoid and defeat bomb-spammers, even without immunities. Bomb-spammers aren't there to SPREAD status as much as to just scare people. VT, Shivver, AoA, they're all equally dangerous, but people will still manage to fight it off either way. Curse wouldn't really be any different, not for anyone who's used to fighting bombers at least.
Would only be scary for folk who blindly walk into hazes and expect bombers to just stand there and die.
As someone who spams VT, Stagger, and occasionally Shiv if I can get away with it, You want your haze bomb to affect people's mobility. Strikers move fast enough that they're bound to fly into it once in a while. Run into a VT and they're stuck in their tracks. Stagger makes it easy to counter attack them if they try to go offensive. Shiv is the best all around, but you tend to not get that option with all the Skolvers.
Curse on the other hand... you fly in and you just go "NOPE" and turn around. If your favorite weapon gets cursed... you can just fly into the curse haze again and your cursed weapons get scrambled again.
But the shock resist skolvers... I've even seen some with shock and stun resistance.
/sad
@Traevelliath... only a FEW of your weapons would get cursed? never heard a dat :P
It would very likely be a minor curse, keeping pattern with the other haze bombs. The wiki page has a fair amount of information on the effects of gran faust self curse with respect to varying amounts of resistance. At no resist, only 2 weapons gets cursed. So it's safe to assume that any curse haze bombs will apply a curse status equal to or less than the power of the gran faust self curse.
@Dean-Zane: When you get cursed, only some of your weapons get cursed. If you have curse vulnerability, you may get at most 3 out of 4 of your weapons cursed. If you have curse resist, you may get 1 or two weapons cursed.
@Demonicsothe: Stagger is for Shock resist targets. Shock and Stun? Man I don't see that often. I've seen a lot of people swap out a piece of Skolver with something like Mercurial to get Shock resist/immunity, whereupon you can pull out a Shiv (The smart ones use Ice Queen). Skolver with Shock and Stun? Welp screw dat stuff, I'm going Polaris.
You want your haze bomb to make moving difficult, more than attacking difficult. Yes, curse makes attacking difficult, but it's not an impassable obstacle like VT or potentially Stagger/Shiv. I've seen some success with a Venom Veiler, but that only works best if you have the option to go aggressive. Going aggressive on a Striker, usually means catching up to him, which means you have to go Striker bombing, or have a buddy to cover you.
theres also that curse longevity though.. like.. isn't it 50 second curse?
Honestly, that longevity is the only OP aspect of curse. If it lasted for 8 seconds like other statuses it would be completely harmless.
It'd be OP against Chaos clones, renders them completely useless.
It's not nearly as bad as like Shock or Freeze. Especially because you can just re-curse yourself if your favorite weapon gets cursed.
What if your favorite weapon is Gran Faust?
What if you get cursed by AN ENEMY and aren't carrying Gran Faust?
What if you're using chaos/fallen set?
What if you're not playing PVP?
What if your favorite weapon is Gran Faust?
What's so special about the Gran Faust in this debate? I could make a sandwich before a Gran Faust finishes charging, which makes the charge completely impractical. You're almost always better off just swinging a few times than to use the charge attack and risk cursing yourself. Unless you're talking about curse on enemies... which was mentioned before: Enemies don't really attack that often to make it worthwhile. There are some exceptions like Silkwings, but a bomb like the AoA would do more damage on like 95% of enemies.
What if you get cursed by AN ENEMY and aren't carrying Gran Faust?
Why does carrying or not carrying a Gran Faust change the fact that you're cursed? You mean you got hit by a Gran Faust and got cursed? Well I think you would be having more problems with the "hit by a Gran Faust" part. If you mean you want to use the Gran Faust to rescramble the curse? Not only is it an unreliable chance, but it takes FOREVER to charge. So even if you were carrying a Gran Faust it wouldn't be worthwhile.
What if you're using chaos/fallen set?
If you're using the Chaos set then just man up you wimp. You're going in with status vulnerabilities and know it, so suck it up and deal with whatever statuses are thrown your way. Fallen is similar story. It's like debating fire is op because you're wearing the Almirian Crusader set.
What if you're not playing PvP?
In PvE, the main sources of curse are Carnavons. They only times they'll curse you is when they hit you, or when they breathe on you. If you get hit by their breath, nothing stops you from walking back into it to rescramble the curse (as I've said before). If you get hit by them... well... golly jeeze, if only you had some experience fighting massive hordes of zombies in cramped areas. Then you may know how to worm your way around them with a paper-clip.
Batabii, if your favourite weapons get cursed, then you can recurse yourself by walking back into the Curse Haze again; GF isn't required to recurse yourself.
And sure, 50sec curse could "arguably" be called an OP aspect, but remember we're discussing LD. Let's assume you do get cursed and your favourite weapons get cursed. You have two options: use the others or recurse yourself.
Your favourite weapons aren't cursed? Carry on as though nothing happened and the haze will be as dangerous as a purple fart. 50 seconds won't mean much in LD; you'll either stay alive well longer than that using your uncursed weapon or you'll die and lose the curse well before that.
All your weapons are cursed? Go back to blue heart pads. Or die. Or just run around baiting people into wasting their time chasing a useless opponent. There are plenty of ways you can make yourself useful without actually attacking...just look at the bomber who started this whole discussion, after all.
Ok so Trae mentioned that you can just recurse yourself to get your fav weapons back and head back into the purple fart like its nothing... WRONG... because wouldn't that just curse your "fav" weapons and just leave you derping?
What's with people and going all Phoenix Wright all of a sudden...
If your fav weapon gets cursed, walk out, then walk back in. If your fav weapon is still cursed, walk out and walk back in. Repeat until fav weapon isn't cursed. If your fav weapon isn't cursed, don't bother walking out and just charge the guy trying to curse you in the first place. That's the problem with a curse haze bomb IMO. If you don't curse the right weapon (Or even the right weapons if the guy is carrying around a Flourish and Gran Faust), nothing stops them from just charging at you.
It's like the Hokey Pokey
haha maybe that's what they would call it :P the hokey pokey bomb XD who knows right?
Haze bombs don't work like that.
Once or twice a second, it inflicts a chance of status in its entire area, this applies also for refreshing of a status. This means that every second you are within a minor curse haze, the weapon which is cursed is going to change whether you walk in and out of the haze or not.
In that sense, a curse haze bomb could be a lot meaner than Gran Faust because you have to constantly recheck which weapon you have that's cursed.
@Zeddy
Fair point, but that's how the zombie breath attack works. Getting caught in an ice/shock zombie's breath is pretty much the same as getting caught in a Shiv/VT (Respectively). Standing in a Carnavon's breath doesn't rescramble what weapons that are cursed (at least they didn't last time I was in UFSC a few months ago), they just reset the duration.
However if it did constantly rescramble which weapons are cursed, then yeah it'd be a respectable addition to LD. It may even encourage people to bring specialized defenses. In that case, huzzah! Time to get people to start rolling triple UVs to get immunity to Shock, Stun and Curse! Now we just need a another status that hampers mobility and leaves a target incredibly vulnerable to ensure no one can be permanently immune to haze control. Oh that would be a DREAM come true (Hint hint, plz re-add sleep OOO)
Doesn't sleep immobilize enemies but also causes them to heal?
When you die in 2-3 Gran Faust hits anyways, it doesn't matter if you're healing or not: If you can't move, you're screwed (especially if you're a Striker).
sleep doesnt heal ALL monsters... just a few... at least in my experience.
Interesting, I hadn't considered curse breath letting you test out a curse haze in practice! How closely did you test that?
I wonder why that would be when Gran Faust refreshing your curse time does scramble weapons around.
@Zeddy: I honestly didn't test it that thoroughly. I just remember talking about scrambling cursed weapons around in my last UFSC run, so I played around with zombie breath attacks. Wouldn't be surprised if my memory is completely faulty and my data is totally invalid.
It's pretty easy to get enough resistances to be immune to haze bombs, and I guarantee a curse/dark bomb wouldn't be any more different than those style.