Spiral Knights - RE-RE buff for Chaos set

RE-RE buff for Chaos set

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Mon, 09/09/2013 - 03:56

Blaackblue

I know Chaos has be rebuffed before, so i doubt this will happen, but i just wanted to say what i think would have been a better rebuff of it's stats.

Instead of damage and CTR med on both pieces, it would give med CTR on Cowl and med damage on the cloak, giving it med on both perks, just like it did before. This way, the set isn't too overpowered and unbalanced like it is now (since it basically makes mad bomber set useless for bombers and allows CTR damage and asi max given the right trinkets pet perks and UVs) and yet still allowed it to be used, especially if you mix-match it with other armor pieces to get just the right bonus you need.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 07:21

The-Mighty-Potato

That's the same as it was before, exept it was CTR low and DMG low on each piece. I believe that Chaos should be CTR VH overall, and not damage. I think you should change your suggestion. The reason why no one went for Chaos when it had no buff was because people though that it was too weak (I think :P).

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 07:35

Batabii

That's not a re-buff, that's a massive nerf.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 15:25

Terrty

bad idea

dude thats a bad idea theynshould really adf asi med on each one added if you ask me just ctr med and dmg med isnt enough all that negativity overlaps the good

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 15:48

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

I would prefer that the set gave damage high and CTR med. Wearing mad bomber would grant you two more levels of CTR. Not much, but a serious bomber would want that.

Or strip the normal resist.

Mon, 09/09/2013 - 21:22

Etharaes

Just no.

No. Just no.

First of all, this is in no sense a buff. This is a nerf. A buff is an increase in power/utility/usability etc. whereas a nerf is the opposite.

Secondly, if the overall stats were the same as before (aka having it NERFED to it's previous state) I would be fine. However, what you are suggesting would mean I wouldn't be able to mix and match the different pieces with helmet only items (seerus mask, kat cowls etc.) like I could even before it had it's mega buff, and that would not make me happy.

Ever since I acquired my ultimate hybrid gear, way back September last year, I have liked my chaos set. However, even with the buff they gave it, it made me feel like this set was not complete. The more I use it, the more and more I want asi on this thing.

If we are going to change this, we can't just revert it back to it's previous state. That would induce much rage. I agree that this set of gear is ridiculously OP, but we need to reach a middle ground on this. Personally, a low damage bonus and ctr bonus and asi bonus per piece would make me a happy rescue camper. I think this is what most owners of the chaos set before it's change thought was best, though dmg medium and ctr low per piece would be alright.

I believe having a defence reduction to this gear is not much of a nerf. When you craft mad bomber/chaos you have gone past the point of needing defence. People won't choose mad bomber over chaos because it has more defense.

Also, if they make the bonus to swords and guns only, I will rage. Just sayin.

~Ethanol

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 11:26

Writhes

Change Mad Bomber

When it comes to comparing the mad bomber to chaos it is clear there is something wrong but I do not believe this means the chaos set needs a nerf. The problem is in the bomber sets in my opinion.

Most bomber sets have one type of status defense and 4 stat points
Mad Bomber has negative status defenses and 8 stat points
Chaos has negative status defenses and 8 stat points (all weapons)

The ideal fix in my mind would be to simply remove the negative status defense from Mad Bomber so that it does not have negative or positives. While the Chaos set remains exactly the same. This puts the Mad Bomber set at a sort of medium between chaos and other bomber sets that will make someone think twice about it.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 16:39

Etharaes

@Writhes

All that will do is obsolete all the other bomber armor sets. Then we will have people not just complaining about chaos set, but we will have complaining about the chaos set AND mad bomber.

Back before chaos got it's most recent buff, all the 'class' gears were considered balanced. People only started thinking mad bomber as weak when chaos got buffed.

I do agree with you that there should be specialised glass cannon sets, like mad bomber, for each 'class' set/path. I thought of rabid wolver (rabies = crazy = mad?), and crazed gunman (or demented gunman, I really like the sound of demented gunman).

We have to balance these two sets of armor so that chaos would be categorically, undeniably be weaker than mad bomber if you only used bombs with chaos, but chaos becomes undeniably better the moment you start using more than one weapon type.

~Ethanol

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 17:29

Battlegrinder

@Etharaes

Obligatory TF2 reference: It's "assassin", not "crazed gunman". Get your facts straight. :)

Regarding your main point, mad bomber equivalents for sword and gun users would be nice, along with some non-elemental bomber armor.

Thu, 09/12/2013 - 20:04

The-True-Cake

No buff

Either the chaos set needs a nerf, or the mad bomber needs a buff. The chaos only has negative resistance more than mad. Which is basicly pointless since very few monsters even inflict curse. I would think lowering the mad bomber's stats to only 2 negatives, or maximum bomb charge time reduction would be best. I got bomber armor cause I was a bomber. I didn't get it so that it could be outclassed by a line that was completely superior. So either one needs a buff or the other needs a nerf. Simple as that.

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