Same damage.
Same exact damage as Sentenza, but it has poison instead of medium gremlin bonus.
Sentenza is now worthless. Get this thing.
That is all.
PSA: You should craft the obsidian gun if you ever wanted a shadow antigua
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 14:47
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:06
#2
I thought Sentenza was always considered a hipster Weapon...
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:13
#3
I have a Sentenza and I can't
I have a Sentenza and I can't just, like, throw poison vials or venom veilers or Maskeraith quills or Chatoic haze at gremlins? >_>
BTW what's a hipster weapon?
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:25
#4
That doesn't sound right.
Umm, isn't the Obsidian Carbine bugged right now? It just deals 45 dmg at lvl 1 to all monsters aka normal damage.
And besides, how do you know that the Carbine does the exact damage as the Sentenza even though its bugged right now?
(unless you're using test server dmg figures for this PSA)
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:27
#5
@Xtweeterx
My inventory. :)
its a weapon that is considered worse than the alternatives (WHB is hipster, DVS is not).
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:27
#6
Well...
I crafted my sentenza the day this patch went up. Just a couple hours before it. Though I thought this may be the case (the carbine being vastly superior), I'm a little bit sad now.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:37
#7
And another thing!
Unlike Sentenza, the charge projectile does not disappear if your back is against a wall. A functional difference, it would seem!
@Tqs-Remx
The bug makes it do normal damage, but the normal damage for both weapons is the same.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:45
#8
What does the Charge Attack look for the Obsidian Carbine?
I've already read that the Sword is similar to the Brandish lines, but with tentacles & explosions, while the Bomb is like the Graviton Vortex with added tentacles.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:53
#9
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 15:55
#10
I love you.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 16:55
#11
Incoming patch notes:
Acheron damage has been slightly decreased.
Acheron has gained medium damage bonus versus slime.
Brace yourself for it.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 16:59
#12
I've always felt Sentenza was pretty worthless in PVE (a shadow gun that's bad against jelly swarms, can't stagger polyps, and can't burst down menders or pop their bubbles quickly,) so limited availability aside I'm alright with Obsidian Carbine being a straight upgrade. Might actually be decent now that you won't get stopped cold by a single mender.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 17:15
#13
I wouldn't scrap your Sentenza until the Carbine actually does legit Shadow Damage.
I've always found the Antiguas a bit useless unless they are up against a preferred enemy. They just don't do that much damage against neutral targets.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 17:19
#14
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's why Sentenza is so bad against menders - the bubble takes neutral damage, and neutral antigua damage is approximately zip bupkis.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 17:40
#15
awful weapon with awful
awful weapon with awful effects... looks like bad designer work >_<
I can't believe that it was made by the same people, as all other weapon and its effects in game
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 18:30
#16
@Snysny
And you, sir, are a person who does not appreciate the basis for which the weapon was made. Ever heard of apocalypse and Halloween? The weapon is meant to be shadowy and mystical. It's made from stone, not a hunk of metal. I suggest you refer to the comments on your thread you previously made before spreading your unproductive criticism to other threads.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 18:39
#17
What is worth pointing out is
What is worth pointing out is the Obsidian Carbine charge shot does do shadow damage and also behaves the way the bird does too: it floats above ground.
It's a black tentacle bird.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 18:50
#18
@Snysny
Judging by how your earlier thread turned out, you are the only person who thinks that, so you should shut up and stop pretending like your opinion is fact.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 20:28
#19
@Xtweeterx
Does the Crusher fling enemies out after exploding?
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 20:46
#20
@Zipb
Yes.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 20:53
#21
The papaya cries
Ugh, this event had better come back again soon. It's gonna take me forever to find the energy to craft the Obsidian Crusher D:
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 20:55
#22
Dang
Now that I just saw the charge attacks, I think the gun is the coolest. I thought the sword charge would look better, and it looks like it does 4 explosions instead of the regular 5.
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 20:57
#23
The papaya cries
@Cinoa
Obsidian Crusher all the way! Who needs guns :P
Jue, 10/24/2013 - 20:59
#24
GASP
But... I don't use bombs! I'm a hybrid sword/gun user! MY LIFE IS RUINED
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 10:55
#25
Can anyone confirm that it
Can anyone confirm that it deals the exact same damage as sentenza after the patch? The damage bars are identical, but the bars lie (sometimes).
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 11:13
#26
Welp
That didn't last long:
- Obsidian Carbine now correctly deals shadow damage (Patch Notes - October 25, 2013)
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 11:42
#27
Oh no...
What's the Payout now?
I was hoping on getting on the computer to start farming the Sigils, seeing how they are really easy to farm, but since they made them harder to obtain, I'm worried I won't get my Sword & Bomb in time...
I might even offer my Hoods for the Materials if it's really low...
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 11:51
#28
Wolfe-knight applauds
@Bitsbee
All the tokens and mats from the event are bound, so no trading anything im afraid. I have not tested the new difficulty but im guessing you will need at most 2 run to get enough for 1 weapon.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 11:56
#29
Just 2?
That's a relief.
I barely have access to a computer until November comes around, so I thought I'd be stuck with a Silent Nightblade & Graviton Bomb.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 12:01
#30
Wolfe-knight applauds
2 runs is just my guess since I still have not run the updated mission yet. Before you were able to do one run and have more than enough for one weapon, so even after nerfs it cant be that bad.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 12:28
#31
I've been told the payout has been more or less halved. Souls drop 4, puzzles drop 18. Spawnrate of souls is also lowered according to the notes.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 14:19
#32
Aww.... I have only 578
Aww.... I have only 578 sigils so far and am already down to 27 SoLs left. And now payout is nerfed. :(
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 14:36
#33
K got the gun. Carbine still does same damage as Sentenza. Sentenza still inferiour against everything.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 14:51
#34
@Zeddy
Stop flaunting your opinion like it's a universal truth >.>
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 14:59
#35
@Tweeter
Give us one scenario in which Sentenza is better than Obsidian Carbine. Please, do it.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 15:02
#36
@Xtweeterx
>implying Zeddy is ever wrong
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 15:08
#37
Gremlins...
Honestly the only time I use a Sentenza is for either Gremlins or Slimes. As I said before, the neutral damage is just terrible. You can debate that poison is good against Mendors, which is a valid enough reason to use the Carbine. However I find Gremlins just die quickly anyways. I'll need to use my Carbine a bit more, but I don't recall it having that reliable of a chance to poison.
@Zeddy
Stahp making every weapon that I ever loved something to be ashamed of using! My absolute favorite sword of the game has always been the Acheron since waaay back before missions were even a vague possibility. Now that you've pointed out how over-buffed it's been I feel like a terrible person for using it. And NOW you're making me hate my new favorite gun? Q.Q
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 16:13
#38
@Xtweeterx and @Fdliyerz
I'm not going to claim to always be right. In fact, I was wrong about something earlier today right here on this forum. (It was Acheron vs CIV as applied to undead.)
However, Carbine is straight-up equal (if said enemies are poison-themed or otherwise immune to poison) or better against 5/6 enemies, and the 6th enemy is gremlins, against which Sentenza is marginally better if and only if:
- You do not already have ultra or higher damage bonus for guns.
- You are fighting gremlins but no gremlin menders.
- Your Carbine does not have a gremlin medium UV or better.
- The gremlins you are fighting never retreat to eat pills.
- You never take any hits from the gremlins.
- There are no enemies of other families around against which you'd like to use your gun.
How much better? At depth 24, base damage for Sentenza/Carbine is 178. Add 8% for Sentz' bonuns and you get 192. Remove 65 gremlin shadow defence and you get 113 vs 127. This is indeed enough to save one shot per gremlin, even when solo.
On the other hand! Gremlins are very weak to poison, and moderate poison against them would reduce their defence by 19.75%, or down to 52.
So assuming you get poison in with Carbine, subsequent shots will do 126 damage.
In my modest opinion, this makes Carbine the superiour choice against gremlins, because gremlins are only particularly tough to use guns against when you have to deal with menders. In cases where there are no menders around, one or two shots extra shots don't really matter. The Carbine can also be useful against neutral enemies due to the poison, so I find the net win for Carbine to be much higher.
If you find my deduction wrong, I would love to hear a counter-argument.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 16:20
#39
Biohazard
Biohazard
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 18:31
#40
@Xtweeterx
That's your opinion.
Zeddy is very often right, and as you can see, his opinions are backed up with hard-core data.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 20:23
#41
Just because I like playing devil's advocate...
Right doesn't mean polite.
Recently, and especially in this thread, Zeddy presented his opinion as an objective fact. While his opinion is based on very solid and objective facts, that doesn't make his opinion a fact. I personally think the Sentenza is still quite useful, and not entirely over-shadowed by the Carbine.
Also, when shooting punching bags in the training hall, the chance of poison was TERRIBLE! Only the charge shot seemed reliable (this was just the waving hitting, not the normal shots of the charge), albeit each charge shot did 3 instances of damage. Out of 100 clips (6 shots each, of course), I only got 30 shots to proc poison (which is a nice 5%). This was all against only the Gremlin punching bag, and the Carbine was only lvl 3.
Unless this dramatically changes, I'd prefer the extra punch of the Sentenza, especially when using a hybrid loadout, where damage bonuses are scarce. I hardly ever use the Antigua charge as it's just not practical.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 20:46
#42
Wolfe-knight applauds
@Traevelliath
Oh, you so silly, but I also feel silly so I will counter.
While Zeddy might not always be polite he does know his damage numbers. A universal chance to deal poison (albeit low chance, this I agree on) is often better than a monster bonus. If you happen to have chaos (as many do now) or other ways to get a damage bonus the gap between the Carbine and Sentenza on gremlins gets smaller and smaller.
While Antigue charges are often dangerous to use I would rather have a working one than a bugged one. The poison chance may be dismally low on normal shots it is there, and the charge often poisons anyways. If you stand at the max range you can often unleash a charge safely and thus poisoning anyone in the path of the claws.
The only time I see Sentenza outclass carbine is if you dont have bonuses, the carbine doesnt poison (again, charge at max range), and you are facing gremlins. Even then hurting something a tiny bit more is worth jack if they can still heal, that is where the poison shines best, when menders are about.
That was fun, I must say Traevelliath you make a great devil's advocate. Sometimes to prove a point better is to have a good counter argument (which you provided).
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 20:57
#43
It's amazing how much your mind opens up when you play devil's advocate.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 21:15
#44
@Traevelliath
You make a good case!
I had a run through Hazardous Heist just now, and I seemed to poison more enemies than I did not simply from the sheer amount of shots required to kill something with these pew-pews, but the chance per shot is indeed pretty low. I had no damage bonus, and my gun's still level 3 as well, so that's bound to have coloured the end-result quite a bit. Will have to run more tests when the gun's fully heated.
And yes, I'm a jerk.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 21:53
#45
No personal attacks allowed on the forums Zeddy. Not even on yourself.
Vie, 10/25/2013 - 23:34
#46
The only way the Obsid gun can be a direct upgrade to Sentenza as if it got a Dmg Bonus Gremlin Medium on it is how I see it. Other than that I'd use Sent for Gremlin levels and Obsid gun for Jellies until it gets the med gremlin UV.
Sáb, 10/26/2013 - 04:37
#47
@Feyi-Feyi
What if... what if I don't press any charges?
Sáb, 10/26/2013 - 05:04
#48
@Zeddy
Just to tesy your brilliant mind :P What's "1+1=" ? And trust me :P this ain't a pre-school question...
Sáb, 10/26/2013 - 07:58
#49
@Hellscreams
1+1 == ? is false and thus 0 or -1, depending on the language.
Sáb, 10/26/2013 - 08:26
#50
lol Krakob :P
It's actually "田"......just put "1+1" together and put it in the middle of "=" :P Did'nt aspect that eh mate ? XD
Dumb update #420 in effect.
So sentenza is a hipster weapon now?