google translate ? or do you know chinese ?
PSA: You should craft the obsidian gun if you ever wanted a shadow antigua
Dom, 10/27/2013 - 03:50
#52
@Hexyzle
Dom, 10/27/2013 - 07:13
#53
When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees
It's basic hanzi knowledge that that symbol means a field/rice field. Just like how 女 means woman. There are quite a few basic hanzi characters that have very similar meanings in both Japanese and Chinese.
Dom, 10/27/2013 - 09:39
#54
so....
so....You're Japanese ?
Dom, 10/27/2013 - 09:26
#55
I always use chaos and sprite gun damage when I use guns so for me the obsidian carbine is always better than Sentenza. Honestly, I always assumed most people used max damage when gunning because the damage is so lackluster for guns.
Dom, 10/27/2013 - 09:57
#56
1+1=3
For sufficiently large values of 1.
Dom, 10/27/2013 - 14:24
#57
2+2= fishey fishey
Zeddy's method of producing information is preferential in my book. I hate wasting time stating that something is my opinion when pretty much everything anyone states is an opinion based off information that can be made out to be false or true given the proper rules of preference and reference.
Lun, 10/28/2013 - 18:02
#58
At least...
Obsidian Crusher's worse...more damage than Graviton, and poison proc. At least Sentenza could be of some use in a hypothetical poison Gremlin level. Graviton vortex though, is now outclassed in every single way.
Lun, 10/28/2013 - 18:32
#59
@Skold-The-Drac
I agree there. Obsid > Sent? OP's opinion.
Obsid < Sent unless Gremlin UV? Mine.
I don't care about evidence or how often Zeddy is right even if that rate is 99.9% - 00.1%. Opinions are not to be judged. Asking for (a) reason(s) is all another person can do. Not forcefully change.
Lun, 10/28/2013 - 18:53
#60
I'm not sure what's stopping
I'm not sure what's stopping people from using both the Obsidian Carbine and Sentenza, either in PvE or PvP. Being able to bounce back and forth between the two guns and shoot anywhere between 2-5 bullets before switching to something that is functionally the same seems like more of a boon to both than a split down the middle of "pick one over the other".
In PvP the difference is a little less subtle, but still having two weapons that can do the same thing without having to reload or cycle through any kind of painful animation period is kind of nice. Really, the poison is just a happy coincidence in most cases.
Lun, 10/28/2013 - 19:09
#61
It's a Sentenza.
I don't even want to level my carbine.
It's not comparable to Umbra Driver at all.
Lun, 10/28/2013 - 19:12
#62
@Rete
Maybe because it's such a large clip/the reload takes a short amount of time? It's fairly simple to switch to a different weapon after 4-5 shots, or if you know 1-weapon switching just do that after 4-5 slots.
Lun, 10/28/2013 - 21:18
#63
@Jeeshman
Could someone tell me where this absurd myth about Obsidian Crusher having more damage than Graviton Vortex originates from?
It's false in practice, and the tooltip for Graviton Vortex shows more damage than Obsidian Crusher.
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 01:07
#64
When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees.
so....You're Japanese ?
No, I'm weeaboo.
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 03:18
#65
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@ Hexyzle : (>=.=)>
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 04:07
#66
When you're this swag this world just bows at your knees
^_^
Jokes aside, I'm actually an Otaku. Although I don't think I really needed to point that out to anyone who has seen at least a decent amount of my posts.
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 05:06
#67
Is this decent ?
Decent !!! I always stumble around your post :P
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 05:28
#68
If it's not decent, does that make it indecent?
Not sure whether to laugh or to put a funny intellectual reply here or something.
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 05:56
#69
gods ain't gonna help you, son.
I'm for the intellectual reply, followed by a joke double post.
zeddy, it's probably poison messing up things.
and, poison with Sentenza damage? they should call the carabine sentenza and rename sentenza, cause really, it fits more. and it seem to me that we're back to the family bonus-damage bonus imbalance, which will be (hopefully) resolved with the gunner update.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 05:42
#70
Let me say that I have barely seen that gun poison anything at all... Even on the charge. Like maybe it poisons once over the 18+ times it hits all the enemies.
I'm also uploading a video right now that proves that Carbine functions slightly differently to Sentenza, for better or worse.
EDIT: Not sure if anyone's gonna see this but: here
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 21:12
#71
@zeddy
The picture for Graviton Vortex's damage on the wiki is incorrect and shows it does less damage. I can only assume there was a buff at sometime and it hasn't been updated since.
The damage for Obsidian Crusher and Graviton Vortex "graphically" in game are identical. They both have the same amount of damage blips.
Mar, 10/29/2013 - 23:29
#72
@Writhes
In-game, Graviton is shown with a fuller bar than Obsidian when both weapons are level 1. When both are level 10, their damage bar extend beyond what the tooltip handles showing so they both show a full bar.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 01:52
#73
If it still isn't too late...
Like I said, opinions are opinions. I just don't like it when their believer sounds like it's a fact everyone should agree with regardless of the eveidence/count-eveidence given.
Looking back on some of these posts, I wouldn't consider Sentenza useless at all. More like an alternative for those who can't get the Obsid gun due to lack of mats, time, or crowns. Little did I see anyone consider the poison a side-grade.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 02:06
#74
@Xtweeterx
Would you consider them balanced?
If so, you should throw your +1 at a fantastic suggestion I made.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 13:24
#75
@zeddy
Uhhh... You aren't telling me anything I don't know. I am just answering your question from earlier as to why people might be confused about the damage of the bombs...
""Could someone tell me where this absurd myth about Obsidian Crusher having more damage than Graviton Vortex originates from?
It's false in practice, and the tooltip for Graviton Vortex shows more damage than Obsidian Crusher.""
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 13:47
#76
Wolfe-knight applauds
The way I see it is a med dmg bonus =/= Moderate Poison. Now the argument would seem to be "Sentenza is better at gremlins and therefore its balanced with the carbine". This may be true by looking at it on paper but in practice a chance to poison means you can just shut down menders, a huge part in the gremlin group. Both are great for attacking gremlins but in different ways, the sentenza kills them faster (as long as the carbine doesnt have dmg bonuses), while the carbine can shut down menders and go past max damage with its poison.
The sentenza is far from useless but it is outshone by the carbine as it has a universal bonus and the sentenza does not.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 13:53
#77
@Wolfe-Knight
I have no clue if you added more on what I said, or whose side you just took.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 13:53
#78
Not only can you shut down menders you can virtually turn them into killing machines to everything you poison. It's pretty funny to watch menders destroy a group of mobs with AOE heals.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 17:09
#79
@tweeterx
""Looking back on some of these posts, I wouldn't consider Sentenza useless at all. More like an alternative for those who can't get the Obsid gun due to lack of mats, time, or crowns. Little did I see anyone consider the poison a side-grade.""
An alternative? So do you admit Sentenza is useless for players with the carbine? That is sort of the entire point of the OP.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 14:03
#80
Wolfe-knight applauds
@Xtweeterx
I am really on no ones side as I play the peaceful medium who sees the valid points on both sides. Whenever I post I try to remain neutral even if I disagree with one of the sides.
On this specific topic I am in favour of the Carbine but I can see the use of the sentenza even with the carbine present. If you are a person with no gunner bonuses (IE: swordsman) the sentenza will serve you quite well.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 14:50
#81
/facepalm Writhes
"An alternative" meaning someone that wants a shadow Antigua but doesn't have the materials, time, learned recipes, or crowns to make the Obsidian Carbine >.<
Heck, I have both the Sentenza AND Obsid carbine (just check my inventory). So don't go shooting your mouth off without reading past posts or current posts carefully. I've done that many times on other forums and conversations, and that's what's going to get you killed one day.
Before you ask, yes, I am that person with butt tons of eternal orbs, radiant crystals, and sparks (lost 60+ sparks in Apocrea).
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 14:45
#82
@Krakbob, Hellscreams, and Hexzyle
1 + 1 = anything because you never know what variable might be in there
1x + 1b = ??? no idea
x is 6 b is 4 then its 6 + 4 = 10 now we have a answer o3o
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Mié, 10/30/2013 - 15:31
#83
The more I use my Carbine, the more I realize how much Antiguas need damage boosts. Part of it is because my Carbine is only lvl 5, but even still. My Sentenza already has a +dam med Gremlin UV ontop of the natural bonus, and hits for around 175 damage per shot, compared to my Carbine's 105.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 17:13
#84
@xtweeterx
""Heck, I have both the Sentenza AND Obsid carbine (just check my inventory). So don't go shooting your mouth off without reading past posts or current posts carefully. I've done that many times on other forums and conversations, and that's what's going to get you killed one day.""
Excuse me? Shooting my mouth off? I said nothing to suggest hostility. Even if you have both a Sentenza and the Obsidian Carbine that really doesn't make the question I've asked any less relevant. If anything here you've completely misunderstood the intent of the question nor have you answered it.
Lets reevaluate... here is your post from earlier.
""Looking back on some of these posts, I wouldn't consider Sentenza useless at all. More like an alternative for those who can't get the Obsid gun due to lack of mats, time, or crowns. Little did I see anyone consider the poison a side-grade.""
You clearly state that Sentenza isn't useless because it's an alternative for players that can't obtain an Obsidian Carbine. This suggests that if a player "CAN" get a Obsidian Carbine then they should which further suggests that is what you believe to be the better gun.
This is why I asked if you were admitting if the Obsidian Carbine was a better choice. I had a feeling you may not have said what you meant.
Perhaps you don't even fully understand what you posted because you have terrible reading comprehension skills which I am now quite confident may be the case considering you have misconstrued a very simple question.
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 17:43
#85
@Writhes
Sorry about the way i ended. maybe that was a bit of an overstatement.
"You clearly state that Sentenza isn't useless because it's an alternative for players that can't obtain an Obsidian Carbine. This suggests that if a player "CAN" get a Obsidian Carbine then they should which further suggests that is what you believe to be the better gun."
That's sort of close to what I meant. Like if someone wanted a shadow antigua or maybe the Apocrea event ended, then yes that would be a good example.
I never said one thing is better than the other. I see the Obsid gun as a side-grade. But again, since they function the same way and do the same damage, I'll only sell my Sentenza once I get +dmg medium Gremlin on the Obsidian gun. For now I'll use Obsid gun for Jellies and Sentenza for gremlins.
"Perhaps you don't even fully understand what you posted because you have terrible reading comprehension skills which I am now quite confident may be the case considering you have misconstrued a very simple question."
If I didn't understand what I was saying or posting, I wouldn't even be here right now, or would have been a complete laughingstock on the forums and everywhere on the internet.
Terrible reading comprehension? Again, I stand by what I just said, unless you're implying that I'm illiterate then I wouldn't know how to post AT ALL.
EDIT: Ugh. Why can't Batabii just derail/end this argument already1?!? Where is he when you need him?!
Mié, 10/30/2013 - 17:39
#86
@Xtweeterx
You didn't say the magic words: Jelly King
Rice Field? Ok.