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Modify elements that encourage anti-social behaviour

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Mo, 11/07/2011 - 07:52
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In order to make players in general behave more social, modify the following elements of Spiral Knights:

  • Replace forums by bug tracking/ticket system
  • Remove Trojans from Tier 2 and 3
  • Remove Trade (trading is still possible via Auction House)
  • Remove Shields from Mecha Knight enemies
  • Add a timeout of 25 seconds to the revive dialog, that will make people automatically go solo (while keeping the timeout that makes players automatically go to Haven on a party wipe)
  • Replace individual health by a party wide health pool
  • Remove all Pick-Ups or make them be present for all players individually like hearts
  • Remove all Plume and Flower Accessories (and give Players already owning them a proper compensation)
  • Remove plumes of Spiral Tailed Helm, Firebreak Helm, Emberbreak Helm, the Cobalt Helm serias, etc.
  • Add a timeout of 20 seconds of idling that makes players go solo
  • Remove Knockback of all weapons (or lower it a lot)
  • Add 70% transparency to all weapon and explosion animations
  • Add option to disable display of chat and /tell messages
  • Replace "Remove from party" by invite checkboxes in a "Go solo" dialog, similar to the checkboxes on subtown elevators, but make it free to join a party created that way
  • Add a delay of 2 or 3 seconds to all linked/grouped switches, that blocks switching them again (a visual indicator could be helpful, during the delay)
  • Remove screen shaking effects or add an option to disable it

Comments and questions are not welcome and will probably be ignored. You may use your brain instead.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 08:04
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There's another one: Make

There's another one:
Make high level Alpha Wolvers not auto-teleport when shot at.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 10:21
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hmmmmm

hmmmmm

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 08:19
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Please don't troll on off

Please don't troll on off topic.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 08:23
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Dude, just so you know...

I was moderately skeptical until the last line of your first post.
That dropped your post's legitimacy to an absolute zero.

I'm sorry, but I'm fine with you telling us not to comment on freshly spawned ideas on weapons and such.
I'm not fine with you pushing for a complete overhaul to gameplay mechanics and telling us to listen to you AND shut up.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 08:29
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I don't get how this will

I don't get how this will make players more social

Specially the point that says:
"Add option to disable display of chat and /tell messages"
Not talking is the opposite of socializing.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 08:49
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I just can't figure you out

Some times you offer legitamate advice on Suggestions, whilst other times you are just striaght up Trolling. What are you Desouler?

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 08:55
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NO

no a fricking auto kick thats pathetic that will drop people playing durasticly like really it means once u die in jk and have no energy but a friend is about to give u health and it kicks u out thats stupid.REMOVE TRADING THEN HOW AM I SUPOSE TO GIVE MY FRIENDS CROWNS WHEN THERE POOR! REMOVE THE MAIN ARMOR FROM THE GAME WTF YOU WANT TO GET RID OF THE SPIRAL ORDERS ARMOR WELL U ARE AT IT REMOVE THE CALIBER SERIES AND THE CUTTER SERIES CUZ THERE PART OF THE SPIRAL ORDERS FRICKING SET.WHAT ARE U SICK OF LOSING LOCK DOWN BECAUSE OF KNOCK BACK THAT STOPS U WELL THE WEAPONS OF THAT ARE DODGABLE SO MOVE THEN.PARTY HEALTH THATS BAD THEN YOU HAVE ONE STRONG GUY THAT MIGHT TAKE ALL THE DAMAGE FROM THE NOOBS HE IS HELPING.WHAT ARE ACCESORIES TOO COOL OR WHAT GIRLS CAN PLAY THE GAME TO!

THINK UR IDEA THROUGH BEFORE POSTING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 09:44
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Here's the Problem.

@Desouler: I have no idea whether you're being productive or counterproductive.
The last statement doesn't seem to help much, as it's just a challenge for us to tear your idea down to shreds (which, at the moment, isn't a very plausible one).
I don't know if you're really trying to help out with the game or just trolling us to no end, but seriously, who do you think you are?
"Comments and questions are not welcome and will probably be ignored. You may use your brain instead."
Seriously?

@Spyash: And think your thoughts through before you post them in a string of capital letters.
I know you have some good responses, but just looking at it makes my eyes hurt.
Plus it makes you seem like you're no less rude than he is.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 10:09
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Remove Trojans from Tier 2 and 3

Did anyone else just quit reading here?

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 10:41
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I think shared party health

I think shared party health would be INTERESTING but something you should opt in to, like tick off as a box on the menu. I could imagine playing in tier 1 or 2 with a bunch of guys and sharing my excess health so they are allowed to take a little more risk and maybe have fun with it instead of dropping like flies.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 11:03
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but

Shared health in FSC with one guy on the respawning hearths...

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 12:22
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@kentard

ya sorry if i seemed rude umm also i wont use capitals that much for that i can see why it might be irratating.i thought them through though.

@desouler girls can play the game 2 and some guys like the plume and flower heck one of my best friends would love to get his hands on one of those.

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 12:25
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Mehehehehe.... ¬¬

I wonder if he's just trying to see how many Tee'd off people he can get to respond...

P.S. ... not sure if "Tee'd off" is acceptable or not :/ I'm sorry if it is...

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 12:30
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OP... you forgot the

OP... you forgot the releasing monsters into Haven that can kill us (CE rev required) but we can't kill due to not having our weapons out, giving Gwenyvier rum so she sings pirate songs, and making the servers reboot when ANY player hits Alt+F4.

~Newg

For those that can't tell when I'm being a dumbass/stupid... look at the signature. :p

Mo, 11/07/2011 - 14:56
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Sorry, but this gets

Sorry, but this gets stupid.

  • Trading, sure, can get annoying, but have an option to block random trade requests.simple, and will appeal to some
  • Trojans. their for a mini boss. A very fun mini boss, and I enjoy them T2 trojans are very fun, and require teamwork.
  • Remove knockback. slow weapons become useless. combo's become useless
  • individual health, to a party shared. there goes a lot of stuff.sharing life, ect, ect.
  • 20 seconds of idling. what if they have to do something?
  • and if you're in a danger room, not able to revive. if it takes more then 25 seconds...POOF. solo.
  • remove plumes. if you don't like them, who cares?many others do. "female" pieces.
  • Some might like the plume/flower accessories. refer to above.
  • the mecha knights shields are there fro a challenge. ever heard of it. this post suggests you don't want challenges
  • In fact, the ONLY bit i agree with is the optionally disable screen shaking. catalysers cause soooooooo many complaints.:P
  • Comments from desouler are not welcome and will probably be ignored. You may use your brain instead.
    Warriorrogue

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 15:26
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    @Kentard: legitimacy? It

    @Kentard:
    legitimacy? It contains suggestions; it's in the suggestions board; it's legit.
    Also, I am not telling you to listen to me and shut up. This is a suggestion. It's not meant for you. It's for OOO. I don't care about what you think or do. AFAIK there is no other way to submit suggestions. That's why the first topic is "Replace forums by bug tracking/ticket system": It wouldn't make people like you think, the post is meant for you just because it's in a forum.
    You cannot know whether my suggestions are productive or not, because you are not producing Spiral Knights.
    The last statement just states the obvious. You cannot tear anything to shreds, but the weak minded may accidentally bumb my thread by feeling rebellious. However, this is beyond my control.

    @Juances:
    Some people feel offended very easily and start offending others for a revenge. Those people could then disable chat and play Spiral Knights without making everyones life a hell. You can socialize without talking, too.
    "Shared health in FSC with one guy on the respawning hearths..." is not that big of a problem, because AFAIK they don't spawn fast. (At least they didn't last time I used them.)

    @Ghret:
    I cannot tell you what I am. Words don't suffice and I am continuously changing. However, it is not important what I am. Every one of my threads is stand-alone and should be regarded neutrally without taking into account who or what I am. Be assured, all of my posts work as intended.

    @Spyash:
    I didn't mean to be mean to girls. I just noticed some male players behavior is negatively affected by the knowledge or assumption of girls being present. My suggestion would fix this to a degree. You have to admit, some guys magically turn into idiots when girls are around. This happens in Spiral Knights, too, but it does not have to be that way.
    I will ignore your first post, because you obviously had your brain offline while writing it.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 16:06
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    OK, I've got ten minutes to

    OK, I've got ten minutes to kill, let's assume this diseased list is for real, shall we?

    - Replace forums by bug tracking/ticket system
    There's already an in-game bug report system; doesn't do much good when bugs prevent players logging in or starting the game, does it? Honestly, opening with this slice of imbecile pie was not a strong start.

    - Remove Trojans from Tier 2 and 3
    Why? Even if they weren't fun, relatively lucrative fights, Trojans actively encourage teamwork; it's not terribly taxing to kill one solo, but two or more properly coordinated players destroy them. This is probably where legitimacy doubts start creeping in.

    - Remove Trade (trading is still possible via Auction House)
    Again, what possible benefit does this impart? How does banning trade between individuals encourage sociable play?

    - Remove Shields from Mecha Knight enemies
    This is almost sensible. It's irritating when people batter away at Mecha Knights with projectile weapons, oblivious to their autoshielding. Crank it down a bit, sure - if only so dedicated gunslingers stand a chance - but I like it as a limited-use mechanic, making it one enemy that the standard backpedal/kiting behaviour can't defeat.

    - Add a timeout of 25 seconds to the revive dialog, that will make people automatically go solo (while keeping the timeout that makes players automatically go to Haven on a party wipe)
    Sometimes there's not time to pick someone up in that kind of timeframe in particularly hectic fights. Autokicking players through no fault of their own is not on.

    - Replace individual health by a party wide health pool
    Kind of an interesting idea, but it's wide open to griefing, and will lead to even more endemic automatic kicking of new players than the already shameful level extant in the game.

    - Remove all Pick-Ups or make them be present for all players individually like hearts
    Now you're just messing with us. Having vials as individual pickups makes their collection a tactical consideration. Can you imagine how insultingly easy JK would be if everyone got every Curse, Fire and Poison vial collected?

    - Remove all Plume and Flower Accessories (and give Players already owning them a proper compensation)
    What. People like them, man!

    - Remove plumes of Spiral Tailed Helm, Firebreak Helm, Emberbreak Helm, the Cobalt Helm serias, etc.
    What the hell is your problem with decoration, dude?

    - Add a timeout of 20 seconds of idling that makes players go solo
    Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. People who live in the real world play this game, you know. There've been countless times when I, or someone in my party, have had to answer the phone, or the door, or quickly dash to the bathroom - all that's required is for them to say something like "brb phone", deal with it, and come back. Autokicking people after twenty seconds is horrendous. And what happens to them when they're suddenly solo, hmm? What if they're away for thirty seconds, get kicked into a solo dungeon after twenty, and ruthlessly destroyed in the remaining ten?

    - Remove Knockback of all weapons (or lower it a lot)
    Somebody doesn't understand cost-benefit analysis!

    - Add 70% transparency to all weapon and explosion animations
    This is probably the most sensible suggestion on the list, but I disagree. The Nitrome could maybe use a bit of an opacity shave, but everything else looks fine.

    - Add option to disable display of chat and /tell messages
    For /tell, it's called /ignore, genius. For chat messages, you can turn off speech bubbles, and, you know, not look at the chat log in the lower left. It's not hard.

    - Replace "Remove from party" by invite checkboxes in a "Go solo" dialog, similar to the checkboxes on subtown elevators, but make it free to join a party created that way
    OK run that by me again; it looks like you're suggesting the replacement of a button that removes one guy with a functionally identical pane that instead requires you to click on everyone you don't want to kick? What's the point?

    - Add a delay of 2 or 3 seconds to all linked/grouped switches, that blocks switching them again (a visual indicator could be helpful, during the delay)
    You need to explain your suggestions! SPEAK TO BE UNDERSTOOD.

    - Remove screen shaking effects or add an option to disable it
    A common gripe, but again, basic cost-benefit stuff. The weapons that cause this effect are extraordinarily powerful - and one of the drawbacks is that they interfere with what's being seen.

    Desouler, are...are you a Turing test.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 16:08
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    One more thing.

    Oh, and don't ^&%ing tell us where not to post. "Comments and questions are not welcome and will probably be ignored" indeed. That's a pretty surefire mark that you've just typed out a slab of drivel but have mysteriously decided not to nuke the post from orbit.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 16:24
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    "It's not meant for you. It's

    "It's not meant for you. It's for OOO. I don't care about what you think or do [...] You cannot know whether my suggestions are productive or not, because you are not producing Spiral Knights."

    Believe it or not, you're not the only person playing this game. I can honestly only begin to fathom the childish logic required to make you think that suggestions that would affect everyone are somehow exempt from review by all of the people they would affect. You know, you aren't OOO either, so by your logic if none of us have any idea what makes a productive change to the game, neither do you.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 17:29
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    it's in the suggestions board; it's legit.

    I'd like to call troll, but a handful of people on this board (a handful too many) genuinely are this stupid.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 17:38
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    If their was a bridge....

    If their was a bridge in game you would be under it @Desouler, Wouldn't you? And if some one tried to cross it you'd jump out and spout off some really annoying riddles.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 17:40
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    If their was a bridge....

    If their was a bridge in game you would be under it @Desouler, Wouldn't you? And if some one tried to cross it you'd jump out and spout off some really annoying riddles.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 18:36
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    As expected, many people

    As expected, many people don't understand how these suggestions would actually affect the game.
    The Posts from Effrul, Bunny-Mind, Warriorrogue and Thimol demonstrate the ignorance and lack of empathy of some players and are proof these suggestions would improve gameplay for everyone. You obviously think everything has to be explained to you in detail, but your ridiculous appeals don't bother anyone.

    Just let me give you one example, so you understand the depth of these suggestions:
    If Trojans are removed from Tier 2 and 3, people will no longer compete to be the one killing them by sacrificing who are supposed to be their teammates. It is true, that Trojans encourage teamwork in very intelligent, experienced players and noobs, but for most players in Tier 2 and 3 they seem to be a chance to prove their superiority to others. Of course, everyone can kill them; even solo. Nonetheless some players do things like directing Trojan hits towards other party members or making sure nobody gets behind Trojans until everyone but them is dead. Finally they kill them solo, so they can feel heroic and superior. They wait a bit, before they revive the party members they indirectly killed, to demonstrate how virtually everyone depends on them.
    So, not having Trojans is a relatively small inconvenience, compared to the benefit of players not reacting in that way any more.

    All of these suggestions address complex social problems in this way. I am pretty sure, I don't have to explain all of them for OOO employees, because simply mentioning them will indicate to them what they address. Of course, I will explain them to OOO employees in detail, if they don't understand them immediately. I don't feel the need to explain them to all forum users, simply because I know some of these suggestions are not popular, but their effects would positively impact everyone, nonetheless. So I leave them here for OOO to decide on what to do with them, knowing many other posts in this thread are irrelevant.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 19:28
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    I don't have to explain all of them for OOO employees, because simply mentioning them will indicate to them what they address.

    It's official. I think everyone can stop listening to this guy now.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 20:16
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    @Desouler:

    You know, if it's of paramount importance that you get these ideas to OOO, I suggest:
    http://www.threerings.net/about/contact.html

    Someone will forward your suggestions to the crew working on Spiral Knights if necessary.
    And if you must, email SEGA as well while you are at it.
    csescalations@sega.com

    "It's not meant for you. It's for OOO. I don't care about what you think or do
    Then there's no point in you being on the forums. If you want your suggestions heard only by OOO, contact OOO directly.

    You cannot know whether my suggestions are productive or not, because you are not producing Spiral Knights."
    And you cannot know whether your suggestions are productive or not, because you are also not producing Spiral Knights.
    OOO and SEGA have their own rationales for making changes, and if you're so keen on finding out what works and what doesn't, go contact them.

    Pardon my language, but if you want to use the forums, you have to accept that there are others who also want to give their two cents' worth. If you want to relay this directly to OOO, please do so accordingly.
    I admire your creativity and courage, but honestly, you're at the wrong place.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 21:01
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    1) Cancel trading? Some people want to NOT waste Cr using AH, so they trade.
    2) Removing monsters is messed up. Look what happened to the Tortodrone! People are furious!
    3) Removing shields? What is it?! They're too tough?!
    4) Party wide health pool?!!?!? (Kick noobs out IMMEDITALEY!?!?!?)
    5) Individual pickups? Meh. That'll be cool I guess, but I think some players would see that as OP.
    6) REMOVE PLOOM AND FLOWERS!?!?!? Totally against accessories, ain't ye? (I do not own a ploom or flower, but I personally like the flowers)
    7) Again why remove plumes? Why you hating on them? Why do you hate plooms?!
    8) Timeouts of 20 seconds? You must really go on solo, I heard no players could join if you pressed a few buttons!
    9) Knockback rocks. Except when I do it, then I team kill my whole squad if it's not Sealed family. Keeps enemies Faaaaaar away (especially those meddling mechaknights!) WHY ARE YOU HATING ON THE TIDBITS?!
    10) Transparency animation? I don't get it. Please elaborate.
    11) Make alpha wolvers not teleport? Swing at em!
    12) No comments? Well, welcome to the forums!!!! Please, elaborate WHY you want antisocial elements to the game? You know, you can easily join an empty server, then go solo right after that? Why are you trying to desocialize a social game, with an online community? It's like removing a brick's durability. Or removing blue from cyan. And removing all posts that seem irrelevant? Then WHY put it in a PUBLIC post?! Now please explain all what you mean!!!! Man, Suggestions are a public group of threads, and suggestions could be added to suggestions! People here are just trying to know what you mean by all this and the reasons behind everything here! This change, if OOO were to adopt it, WILL effect all players in every way known to man. We as a community try to edit a suggestion to fit the owner's idea into our own, to be fair for everyone. If you would just explain IN DETAIL and the reasons, then you would have proper feedback. So far, it's all Xs on this thread. again, welcome to the Public Suggestions THREAD (not a ticket/bug reporter, or else your thread wouldn't even be here. Plus, meh. Not very happy players) And then, you argument is to help those "other" players. What other players? Please explain what kind of players you are talking about! And then, you're hurting these players on your thread. EXPLAIN. EXPLAIN. EXPLAIN.
    PS: You don't have to sacrifice any team mates versus the Trojan. Shield when he attacks, or just get out of the way. Super simple, especially when he charges!

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 21:11
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    devs are soo NOT doing this AT ALL.

    removing knockback of all weapons: R U out of your mind?! do you know how badly this would affect the game? i can't even think about a bomb/heavy sword without their respective knockback.

    removing trojans from tier 2 & 3: just because you had some bad experiences with other players does not mean they have to remove trojans from the game, if your friends/ocassional party members did that, you just got in the wrong party, its YOUR problem, not a design flaw that needs to be fixed.
    and BTW i have never competed to be the one who soloed trojans, and i've never seen anyone else do that.

    removing plume and flower accesories/ removing plumes from all helmets: thats great! cuz girls should not play spiral knights at all! we must not allow girls to ruin spiral knights!... are we going to sit back and just watch as they mess up with our games? we must teach them who's boss and SEND THEM BACK TO THAT KITCHEN!!.

    but seriously, is it fair for girl players to remove girl-looking stuff just because some guys magically turn into idiots when girls are around ?

    removing trade: for god's sake what possible good can this add to the game?! and yet you refuse to explain the possible reasons of your suggestions, i seriously doubt any dev/GM/OOO would be able to understand why they should remove trade from the game.

    when you suggest something, think about EVERY person in the game, and how it would negatively affect other people if, for example, plumes/flower accesories are erased from the game, trojans are removed from T2/T3, ppl going solo after only 20 secs of inactivity, no knockback in ANY weapon, etc etc, etc.
    i get why you suggest SOME of that stuff, but your suggestions would cause even more trouble than what they actually solve.

    TY for reading.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 21:12
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    lol, Kentard. thx for looking

    lol, Kentard. thx for looking up these things, but I don't plan on spaming those guys with my suggestions.
    Instead, I put them here, where they are expected to be and where OOO will look for them, when they need inspiration.

    See, I don't care if others want to give their two cents' worth. It's just people like you overreacting and sometimes I find this funny and comment on it, but usually I don't even read. I dumped my stuff. My part is done. I am well aware that this is a forum and people can post in this thread. I just told people in before, that I don't plan to maintain or monitor this thread, as they otherwise would've expected. It's funny how people always assume, a very direct and honest statement is meant to offend them, just because it isn't carefully delivered to them. When you read a sign saying "STOP", do you intentionally not stop whatever you are doing, complain about how this sign is totally telling you what to do and do you start protesting publicly because it can't forbid you to continue?

    Let me tell you how people in this forum appear to me from what I have read so far:
    Someone shows up at the booth of a famous car brand at a car fair. An official representative of the company asks if someone has suggestions. Someone raises his hand and says "You should build a plane, too." If people of this forum were present, they would immediately interfere and scream things like:
    "No way! This is never gonna work!"
    "This guy is a troll! He can't be serious."
    "They build cars, they can't build planes. Impossible."
    "They should build more cars, instead of building planes. Nobody likes planes."
    "I don't understand how planes can be useful. This sucks."
    "Planes would clearly be overpowered. People could travel to Washington in 3 hours. Where's the fun in that?"
    "This can only work if the plane wouldn't have wings, because nobody would buy a car if planes were available, too."
    "Planes are are not worth it, because they need so much fuel. They should stick to cars."
    "I won't spend my money on planes. There are already too many ways to spend my money."
    "People will not understand how planes work. Planes are too complicated. All the people will die trying to steer such complicated vehicles."
    "Don't listen to this guy, he's insane."
    "Planes have already been mentioned last year by someone else and we already dismissed the idea, because we think it's not good."
    "I don't want planes."
    "That's stupid. Planes don't work."

    ... and the worst of all is, people will actually try to justify this and if they post those justifications it in here, it will probably be very pathetic.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 21:33
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    Alright devs, you heard the boss, get to it.

    Alright devs, you heard the boss, get to it. Removing plumes will make me more social how??? LMAO, nice troll thread.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 21:35
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    ...So please justify your claims. All of them.
    P.S. We have laws for Stop Signs. Common sense, but removing social activity from a social game is like removing wheels from a freeway. That's why you explain.

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 21:42
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    I was wondering where all my

    I was wondering where all my rum had gone... I thought the crew had found my stash, but now I see that it was you.

    ~Gwen

    *laughs maniacally and bows respectfully* Cheers to you Sir Troll, for you make me laugh and giggle. The ideas are nuts, but so are we, post more for us to read... and quit taking my rum! Savvy?

    ~Newg

    Mo, 11/07/2011 - 22:11
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    Some fun facts for you, kid.

    Yes, I'm condescending to you. Problem?

    "Instead, I put them here, where they are expected to be and where OOO will look for them, when they need inspiration."
    News flash. How many of the suggestions in this board have actually been implemented by OOO?
    And of all people, YOU? Inspiration? Why not run along and work for OOO then? You can give them inspiration, minus the 'trolling' you receive from us. Win-win, eh? You get rid of us, we get rid of you.
    Please, I doubt you're actually a game designer. Do you have credentials? Educational background?

    "It's just people like you overreacting and sometimes I find this funny and comment on it, but usually I don't even read."
    Well that's harsh. Sorry for offending you by posting legitimate comments, hmm?

    "Someone shows up at the booth of a famous car brand at a car fair. An official representative of the company asks if someone has suggestions. Someone raises his hand and says "You should build a plane, too.""
    See, your attempt to guilt trip me might actually work, except I was giving suggestions about the car and the representative tells me, "No, I don't want to hear it because I want suggestions from car manufacturers. Ergo, shut up."
    Now you tell me who's being unfair.

    When you read a sign saying "STOP", do you intentionally not stop whatever you are doing, complain about how this sign is totally telling you what to do and do you start protesting publicly because it can't forbid you to continue?
    Inappropriate analogy. If something is fundamentally wrong, wouldn't your instincts dictate that you speak up to rectify it, or ignore it altogether?
    And don't give me the usual claptrap that "oh, you don't know what is wrong." If you want to engage in a debate over epistemological relativism, feel free to do so somewhere else - may I suggest the general forums?

    I don't know what the hell you are trying to do here, but honestly, if you want to post comments on the forum, you'd better learn to deal with whatever's coming next.
    You use a forum, you'd better get used to the fact that there are other users here, and you're not the only one with legitimate feedback. And you are no better than any other forum user. Don't think that showing off your creative flair or intellect makes you any better than the rest of us.

    And like I said, if you only want OOO to listen to you, then you're in the wrong place.

    If you are trolling (mind you this is only a speculation on my part), grow up. I've trolled longer than you have, and I've given up. You should too, if you are currently doing so.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 00:30
    #33
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    Stop digging a hole for yourself

    Sure, you've had troubles with trojans, but i've never seen anyone do that.
    May be hard to believe, but there are other players.
    I have however, seen people protect, and sacrifice themselves to help the trojan be killed.
    Not all players are evil/cruel/teamkillers.but some are stupid.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 05:21
    #34
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    I have never seen that sort

    I have never seen that sort of behaviour fighting Trojans! Who does that? It's pretty counterproductive play in a team game, particularly at higher Tiers. I can't imagine these players doing terribly well generally, and removing what is for the overwhelming majority of players a fun and interesting fight is no solution at all.

    Desouler, if you don't want people commenting on your ideas, if you only care what Three Rings think, if you only want Three Rings reading them - I suggest you keep them off the forums. You'd be better off e-mailing the developers instead.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 08:24
    #35
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    Master-Of
    It's so funny how you idiots

    It's so funny how you idiots randomly assume things.
    lol, Kentard thinks I have a problem with people replying, but I don't care. Also Kentard got the metaphor totally wrong.
    Heavy-Duty assumes stop signs only occur in places where the law applies to them.
    ... and Warriorrogue assumes I had problems with Trojans, lulz. You people sure are nuts.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 08:42
    #36
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    Iamnoone
    Telling us not to post encourages spam. xD

    Anti-social behavior?
    So much for making the suggestion to admin about making a "poke them in the eye" option for when other users are annoying us.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 08:57
    #37
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    So you mean people will

    So you mean people will actually bump my thread, when I tell them not to post?

    Also: Don't kill the president!

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 09:05
    #38
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    This is one of the best real

    This is one of the best real trolls I have seen in a good while.
    Quality trolling like this doesn't come around often.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 09:09
    #39
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    Kentard
    There really isn't a point in all this.

    Fine. Have it your way, mate. I'm not too keen on pursuing this any further anyway.

    Ooh, wonderful, I've suddenly become an idiot who randomly assumes things.
    My apologies, Desouler the genius. I don't suppose you have a certificate to prove your entry into Mega Society or Prometheus Society, now?

    Fine. Let's leave the thread here for oh, glorious and almighty Three Rings to read it, eh? After all, that's the only thing you care about, despite the countless reminders that you're doing it the wrong way.
    And SURE your feedback will be taken into consideration.
    How delightful; things are just the way they SHOULD be.

    On a parting note, do take a look back at the comments. Chances are that when someone posts and everyone disagrees (and yes I do mean everyone), it's not that everyone else is an idiot, it means something is fundamentally wrong with your post.
    Of course, you wouldn't care, would you, Desouler the intellectual?

    As for the rest of you "idiots", let's go and "be stupid" somewhere else, shall we?

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 09:25
    #40
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    Ghret
    In other Words

    Leave this Thread alone. Don't post on it. Don't link anyone to it. Just let it rot to the Nether Pages.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 10:00
    #41
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    Master-Of
    I don't understand why you

    I don't understand why you people always have to make fools out of yourself by commenting on things you didn't even understand.
    You could've at least asked politely for an explanation, if you couldn't refrain to post; maybe someone who did understand it, would've explained it to you. You so funneh.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 11:05
    #42
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    Asukalan
    Succesfull troll is

    Succesfull troll is succesfull.

    Replace forums by bug tracking/ticket system
    - where would you post your "brilliant" ideas if there would be no forum?
    Remove Trojans from Tier 2 and 3
    - someone got his butt kicked and raged out?
    Remove Trade (trading is still possible via Auction House)
    - trade is actually encouraging players to interact with other players
    Remove Shields from Mecha Knight enemies
    - look at Trojans suggestion
    Add a timeout of 25 seconds to the revive dialog, that will make people automatically go solo (while keeping the timeout that makes players automatically go to Haven on a party wipe)
    - plain stupid, sometimes its better to finish off enemies and then revieve someone, it can take more than 25 seconds and during time you may not want someone to get kicked just becouse he died
    Replace individual health by a party wide health pool
    - that would make big space between good players and bad players. Good players would kick bad from party and they wont have chance to learn. but somehow that would encourage players to develop skills by themselfs. Kinda want, need moar to decide.
    Remove all Pick-Ups or make them be present for all players individually like hearts
    - dont like it, pick-ups for first to get make party have more diffrent pickups in the end
    Remove all Plume and Flower Accessories (and give Players already owning them a proper compensation)
    - yea, very social encouraging, lmao
    Remove plumes of Spiral Tailed Helm, Firebreak Helm, Emberbreak Helm, the Cobalt Helm serias, etc.
    - look answer above
    Add a timeout of 20 seconds of idling that makes players go solo
    - same as people before me, people do have life, they need to go to eat, answer phone, do something else,
    Remove Knockback of all weapons (or lower it a lot)
    - yea, i bet from monsters too? look at trojan answer, someone got butt kicked?
    Add 70% transparency to all weapon and explosion animations
    - yea, this game lags enough for some people already, adding even more transparency will make files bigger and make game lag even more
    Add option to disable display of chat and /tell messages
    - yea, blocking all chats will make people more social, lmao.
    Replace "Remove from party" by invite checkboxes in a "Go solo" dialog, similar to the checkboxes on subtown elevators, but make it free to join a party created that way
    - not sure what it meant
    Add a delay of 2 or 3 seconds to all linked/grouped switches, that blocks switching them again (a visual indicator could be helpful, during the delay)
    - more social behaviour? how is that so?
    Remove screen shaking effects or add an option to disable it
    - yea, some people get lags from it

    To sum up.

    Total of ideas 16
    Ideas plain pointles, sometimes related to social behaviour but not to improve it 14
    Good ideas but not related to social behaviour 1
    I dont even know what he meant 1

    And about you forbitting us to comment and post suggestions. This is FORUM, forum is for comments and suggestions. If you dont want comments on your opinions keep them for yourself instad of posting them at forum (which you dont really want as you stated in first suggestion).

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 11:14
    #43
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    The-Ark
    This is trash.

    Just stop commenting, and let OOO kick this thread into the graveyard.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 11:53
    #44
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    Master-Of
    lol, this is so pathetic. My

    lol, this is so pathetic.
    My grandma used to say: If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 12:02
    #45
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    Madadder
    Desouler

    take your own advice

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 12:14
    #46
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    The-Ark
    OK then

    Well so you can mabey get some people to understand this thread, ill do this because nobody else has.

    May you please explain your reasoning for these suggestions?

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 12:15
    #47
    Blaze-Breaker
    This is useless. Use your

    This is useless. Use your brain.
    There's my two cents.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 13:39
    #48
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    Nodocchi
    The making planes suggestion

    The making planes suggestion example was hilarious because it's so true.

    Anyways, you're not going to get much interest from OOO unless you actually take the time to explain your ideas. Though most players may not have much knowledge of what goes on in the game behind the hood, they have a very solid grasp of game mechanics and what makes the game fun for them; probably better than OOO staff themselves. After all, the inventor of the game of basketball wasn't the best basketball player of all time so don't expect OOO to suddenly understand your cryptic suggestions when the people who actually play the game cannot. If you cannot even make these players understand why your ideas are good, then any OOO employee reading this thread probably won't understand either and hence probably will not contact you for further clarification.

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 13:39
    #49
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    Master-Of
    @Gingermace: Lucky I have

    @Gingermace: Lucky I have some spare time before doing the laundry:

    Replace forums by bug tracking/ticket system -> Less unqualified opinions; better search; better monitoring; marking of duplicates, etc.

    Remove Trojans from Tier 2 and 3 -> Has already been explained, but people didn't read, lol

    Remove Trade (trading is still possible via Auction House) -> Begging will decrease; No more ripping of people, then selling on AH for real price; No more hordes of noobs sending uncalled for trade requests to random people;

    Remove Shields from Mecha Knight enemies -> People stop hating gunners.

    Add a timeout of 25 seconds to the revive dialog, that will make people automatically go solo (while keeping the timeout that makes players automatically go to Haven on a party wipe) -> Dead people automatically leave parties where nobody cares for them, anyways. Alive people are less insulted by dead people. People that take all health and never revive will always be alone, so they better think twice.

    Replace individual health by a party wide health pool -> Sharing is caring :P

    Remove all Pick-Ups or make them be present for all players individually like hearts -> Now war over Pick-Ups. Everything else is already made in a most fair way, so this can be made, too. (For the usual idiots: The probability of Pick-Ups can be lowered to balance it.)

    Remove all Plume and Flower Accessories (and give Players already owning them a proper compensation)
    Remove plumes of Spiral Tailed Helm, Firebreak Helm, Emberbreak Helm, the Cobalt Helm serias, etc.
    -> Those have already been explained, too.

    Add a timeout of 20 seconds of idling that makes players go solo -> No more party leaders being AFK forever and holding back 3 people who actually got lifes and can't wait forever. (For the idiots: You answer the phone or whatever and think everyone else is less important and has to wait for you? You go solo then.)

    Remove Knockback of all weapons (or lower it a lot) -> People stop hating players who push enemies towards them with their knockback.

    Add 70% transparency to all weapon and explosion animations -> People stop hating players who cause huge effects, blinding them.

    Add option to disable display of chat and /tell messages -> Has already been explained.

    Replace "Remove from party" by invite checkboxes in a "Go solo" dialog, similar to the checkboxes on subtown elevators, but make it free to join a party created that way -> A party leader can no longer remove all players, tearing up a party, just because he's evil. Instead, he has the opportunity to create his own party and invite people to join him. If people want to stick together, he can't interfere any longer.

    Add a delay of 2 or 3 seconds to all linked/grouped switches, that blocks switching them again (a visual indicator could be helpful, during the delay) -> No more killing or annoying of party members by hitting on switches like insane. Two people fire at switches at the same time? No problem. There's a delay, now. It will switch only once.

    Remove screen shaking effects or add an option to disable it -> Blast Bomb users can haz friends naow.

    Make high level Alpha Wolvers not auto-teleport when shot at. -> People stop hating gunners.

    As you can see, this will decrease people raging against each other quite a lot, by sacrificing only less important stuff.

    inb4 shitstorm: See post #28 and post #23

    Di, 11/08/2011 - 20:07
    #50
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    Heavy-Duty
    "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all"

    All us idiots must let this genius plan go to rest. :/ Don't we LOVE being called idiots? (AKA stop posting for those idiots, including me) Please, man, if you ARE going to type something, one more thing, at least say something that will boost gunners without impacting the difficulty? And use the ignore button for beggars? And dude, sometimes it's the heat of battle that keeps others from healing you, or the lack of health. I see some suggestions that probably won't count as the several items others may hate on. Like the kicking portion, try to elaborate on that, or drop on transparency and screen shaking (there should be an option for that). As for the health pool, dude then all are dead and no one could revive another or one revs all with energy (another energy crisis problem). WE play this game and respond only if we see something wrong. How are you to change a game (if implemented-on-sight option was added) and anger the players, only to benefit the few? Why not suggest something like, oh I don't know, gunner-friendly items?! If players don't like it, then only the few players would continue to play. Please, if you're not going to solve these issues the "IDIOTS" have problems with, then stop typing and let the negative bulwark of posts die out. ADD what others are saying, while trying to build upon your own idea, don't just ignorantly fight off those who don't agree. There's plenty of space for subtle changes THAT WOULD NOT ANGER THOSE ON THE FORUM. And stop calling us idiots.

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