The buff charge on brandish is now so much better than da that it isn't even worth to make/buy da anymore.
Either 1: buff da charge
or 2: nerf brandish charges
How's it that a boss item weaker than a normal item?
I thought the point of fighting jelly king is to acquire boss items which is better than normal crafted items.
Please change this.
How do you figure?, just a cursory check on the damage tables, the DA outdamages at least the Combuster 10 times out of 10. Besides, that oh so special charge rarely sees it's full potential seeing as you have to have very good timing and placement to send an enemy flying along and take damage from every explosion. the DA on the other hand, both has massive knockback and damage on the very swing of the charge, plus even more of both guaranteed by the phase blades produced. heck, the charge of the DA is arguably better since the nerf to prevent exploits in FSC as the blades are more closely grouped before flying.
Long story short, the DA has not been replaced as the elemental powerhouse. Do some bloody research before posting.
>EDIT< This is directed at Poopar, not you Nicoya.
I don't really know what you're talking about. The DA's charge is perfectly fine.
In fact, I believe it deals more damage than a brandish charge under normal circumstances.
It also counts as a "true" projectile, and by that I mean it can hit Gun Puppies and the
like across gaps, which is sorta helpful for me considering I don't like bringing around guns a lot.
The heavy blades also have a larger range than medium swords, and in fact I prefer
my DA over my Acheron in RJP unless the enemies are grouped up. All in all, it's perfectly fine.
Actually I wouldn't be unhappy with the Brandish changing back. I can't kill as efficiently when I use
vortexes.
You're kind of wrong on that.
The Divine Avenger is arguably the best elemental sword, shotgun, and sniper rifle in the game.
No. No no. Nononononononononononononononononononono.
No.
This fourm is so wrong! 10 of 10? since when have DA beat brandishes over strategies? Do any of you even own a brandish? You cant say it the best elemental sword because it's not. They are equal! How? DA is 2 hits and boss reward but lacks status which means in time danger it doesn't freeze ,damage or both. Brandish is 3 hits and not boss reward. It deals less damage but adds status and you hit twice after the charge. (2nd being 3rd hit). Your comparing apples and tomatoes. Theie both elemental swords. Thats all they have in common. I am not bias to brandish I have a faust so i know what I talking about. ( Yes I know Faust is shadow but their the same thing take away curse and shadow and elemental damage). Stop being bias to DA!
If you think that argument is helping the OP, then you're wrong I believe.
You specifically said "You're comparing apples and tomatoes", meaning they shouldn't be compared and balanced with each other.
The Brandish and DA are distinct weapons, and there is nothing wrong with DA nor Brandish.
You also completely contradict yourself saying "They are equal!", before saying "You're comparing apples and tomatoes". I think some people proofread before they post.
They're not equal, they're 2 different swords, and imo, neither needs re-balancing.
~Sev
@Gpyro
Look at the damage tables in the wiki, there's an interesting trend, you will see that the DA outdamages the Brandishes in every situation. It isn't a matter of bias for the DA, it is a matter of fact. the first swing of the DA does more than the first two of the Brandish, as does the third over the third, the charge over the charge. the only one that doesn't win for the DA on face value is with projectile and explosion, the Brandish has an advantage of 70 points... until you realize the DA projectile can and will hit multiple times per projectile, fires across gaps and does not cause a status effect like freeze or shock, eliminating the chance of multiple hits with the charge and knockback.
And I do not own a brandish, I have my trusty DA; I don't need one.
Less QQ, more get the hell over it. Did you just like the fact that your DA was better, and now they're on balanced grounds and want to be better again?
If we buff DA any more, will this mean crowds of zombies will die from the swing itself and not the phantom blades? Because that'd kill all the fun of using a sword and I'd have to go all-guns (at least those require 4 bullets to kill a zombie when I solo FSC).
I said this tread was wrong so i wasnt tring to help OP. it was also 2 am and i was sleepy so srry for any confusion. in was saying thier balnaced for one being 2 hits and the other being 3 hits.
@Maeko really now i wonder why?
maybe bacause its 2 hits and the less hits more power per swing but not. Also since Brandishes deal status so thats less damage. i know that the DA outdamages brandishes per swing (DPS wise i heard that DA wins from people and others say brandishes win so ill test that later).
why are you commenting against a sword you dont have? life isnt black and white like the wiki.
Divine Avenger's beauty it's not it's charged attack (even though its still a super OP charge in PVE), but it's normal swings. You can spam a DA's combo all day in front of zombies and they will never hit you, ever (specially since they made them more [silly]).
If you swing your DA on a monster, it's very possible that the enemy will be already out of attack range, and they will miss.. Then you just keep canceling your first swing, or just combo.. It's really easy.
I find brandishes still harder to use than DA. But if you really want an overpowered weapon that works for every situation.. Oh wait DA already is.
@gpyro
the only thing to test would be the explosion vs projectile, as both weapons have full damage tables on the wiki
No, the point is that similar weapons in similar classes shouldn't dramatically outshine each other. Balance is a good thing, and the DA and GF are still both useful.