Game too hard for you now? Just use any sword to stop greavers, no biggie. AP becoming elemental actually make sense too, since it's uses are FSC (for damage there, where most enemies are weak to elemental), PvP (utility rather than DMG), and boxes/crystals.

Well, the way I see it, more challenge = more enjoyment (to an extent). Glad to see you are a unique gunner btw. ;)
Also Callahan works excellently against all fiends (except greavers- those require more thrashing). Though I do agree, the game really doesn't need more elemental guns. It is a nice addition of course, and increases the utility of the gun. You can now use the charge on mobs of constructs now, on gunpuppies, and mobs. What makes it a good addiion is that it can go through mobs like the DA charge. If AP went pure piercing, it could be better against fiends, still decent against Undead, and weak against slimes and constructs. Since the endgame is mainly weak to elemental, then the AP change make sense in that way.

Also, next time you go to a restaurant, get calamari as an appetizer. You'll love it.

Edit: Just realized my argument doesn't make sense at all. I was trying to say that the AP was changed to elemental in favor of the types if monsters in the Endgame. On a less significant note, you said Story driver instead of Storm.

Purgion, there is a difference between luck and skill, and being immobile for a few seconds whilst hoping nothing decides to attack you is more luck :P

I must confess, I have only used the Antigua. By the time I could get the two upgrades, Nick had already made the post asking for feedback on weapon changes, so I have held off. (For reference I use two alchemers)

Gunners suffer from low damage, so we do have to exploit damage types moreso than other weapons. That's why the Leviathan and Nitrome are considered viable, whereas the Valiance is not. And I hope I haven't spelt anything wrong, and I am aware of the Nitrome's BSOD issues.

"Yeah, Spiral Knights just got harder for everyone in the game who used to use AP. I would use swords, but they're terrible." Actually, it's you are terrible at using swords, but at least you recognise it. Many players just go with swords as they have the highest damage output, and a player is better off with keeping their health than having someone with high damage output. And I think you'd agree with me on that one.

Greavers should probably be sworded. Even with a pure piercing antigua style gun, I suppose what one needs is knockback. To just break through the swarm. Some enemies are better sworded (devilites and greavers) and some are better gunned (lumbers and any turret, however if a stronger damage weapon can be used to smack a turret from behind whilst distracted...). I am sure some enemies are better bombed, but I don't have the bomber's mindset to decide.

Being able to stay mobile is important to being a pure gunner. This leaves gunners who already lean on type differences an effective way to deal with fiends and beasts.

I think the idea for the Argent Peacemaker was to be a sort of holy-type gun, which is why it's elemental. It helps take out undead especially, while the Sentenza is the opposite dealing all shadow and hurting things like gremlins and jelly.

Elemental seems to be the equivalent of "holy" magic because I don't think they wanted to add too many damage types. And I don't see why you'd make the sentenza and the argent peacemaker all pierce. It sounds like they should have a third option for this gun tree that is normal or pierce. I dunno.

@Gfjmember

im a bomber, and what ive gathered, these are the enemies best bombed:

mechas, and most constructs except lumbers

wolvers, and.. maybe chromas .. not really

slimes (with status, blast sends them everywhere without kiting for so long)

so basically any enemy that mindlessly chases you (not too quickly) and doesnt shoot or throw (at completely random times and at incrdibly OP speeds) Stuff at you :D

@Tennis
Yeah, I think they suggested a Snarbolax gun from the antigua line to be pure piercing, still works, right? Except the devs prolly won't implement it :/

Get yourself Valiance, OP. Honest to God it's my favorite gun ever since I started consistantly using it. It does Normal damage, which means it's "good against everything"; you don't HAVE to rely on critical damage to fight successfully, and if it's Fiends you're worried about then a single UV should help. My Valiance has a Triple UV, none of them are against Fiends but I do +Low to +Medium damage against Constructs, Slimes and I forget the other one, which is all-around solid. ^^

Reason Valiance is so wonderful is simply the knockback. Every shot pushes them back quite a bit, and you can shoot up to three per reload (so you can pop off two, pause, and not suffer the reload slowdown). At first I didn't think it'd make that big a difference, but let me tell you, that thing shows Greavers who's boss! Two shots against a pursuing Greaver and it can't touch you. If you have a swarm behind you, you can repel a couple of them and you still should be able to Bash the rest away at the same time; it's not nearly as hectic as trying to Shield every single one.

You can still hit Devilites with it, though not as easily. Since AP still doesn't deal Shadow damage, if you want to use it on Devilites, you'll still be doing normal damage to them. It's not so bad. ^^

Oh, but you complained about Shielding... well, you really shouldn't be Shielding the Devilites unless you're close range, because they aggressively tear down Shields from my own experience. It's better to dodge them. When I fight Devilites with either the sword or the gun, I circle one while working my way closer, and when it attacks, I sidestep the projectile and then I run in swinging or shooting (if I'm using the Gun I usually fire WHILE sidestepping, because they don't dodge so well when they're in the middle of an attack). If I try to Shield and counterattack, I get it broken, sometimes in one hit. So instead I just dodge, and I use the Shield if I'm too close to dodge and I need a last ditch save.

You can dodge Greavers too, by the way! When they're behind you and they swoop in close, run right past them in the opposite direction. Their weakness is that they can't decelerate when they have that momentum during their chase. If you have a whole group on your tail, you can foil them best by trying to circle them as they each swoop in. And if you Bash them right as you do so then you can sometimes separate them from each other for a while, which can give you time to escape.

Finally, swords are awesome. >_> I use the Dread Venom Striker everywhere I go and it's never failed me. I love it's abilities in getting out of even tight-knit crowds by swathing a path through them with its epic ten-strike combo. But as a result I seem to be incapable of using even normal-speed swords like the Brandish line. x.x But anyway you should pick up a sword and learn to use it. Gunners shouldn't ONLY use guns, just like mages shouldn't only use magic (they should have a dagger as a backup weapon in case they get Silenced or something)! Pick something fancy that suits your ideal image. Cutter and Flourish lines are the fastest and flashiest IMO. Go with Flourish if you hate Fiends passionately and you want to look like a badass swashbuckler. >:3 Fun thing about Flourish is that you can ALMOST play it like a Gun in some cases; its Charged Attack spans an entire room when it lunges forward. You can one-shot even T3 Devilites with it by charging it up while sidestepping their attacks and then pilebunkering the little turd into the corner in one wild whack, and it's crazy-effective against Spookats too because they like to clump together and they pause right after they attack, so you can charge it, dodge them, and counter it with your raging ballista. S'way tight!

Soooo... yeah. They changed the game. U mad? Get even, not mad. Rebel against God and prove you can master a universe that has sought to destroy you. :O

YOU SHOULD SUPPORT THE THREAD ASKING FOR A SNARBOLAX GUN IN THE SUGGESTIONS!!!!

It's hard to miss, it's clearly labelled 'Snarbolax gun' ><

lol :D

Why are you using piercing guns on gun puppies and lumbers?

*Gun starts out piercing*
*Upgrade options only have pure elemental or shadow*

What.

Well, there are only 2 beasts and 4 fiends to fight with them, compared to 6 construct types and 5 undead to fight with elemental weapons.

He obviously edited the post. Derp.