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More elemental flourishes and more curse

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Mon, 11/19/2012 - 07:22
Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite

Honestly the 2 available elemental flourishes aren't as effective as the pure piercing damage ones and are neglected by a lot. In my opinion these flourishes should be given a buff and a wider range of elements to choose from like a electric flourish or a freezing one and etc.

I reccomend more curse weapons to the game because its kinda boring seeing everyone in tier 2 lockdown weilding a sealed sword and in tier 3 fausts and gran fausts. I think that there should be more weapons of this type

Anyways that is all I have for now and I hope an admin or someone else who can bring this up to OOO may take heed of what I say.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 09:34
#1
Little-Juances's picture
Little-Juances

Yes, they are underused, but they are balanced. They dont need a buff. At most, make the status trigger more often.
It's because how statuses work. Dealing damage upfront will always be better than say ignite the enemy and let it slowly burn.

Shock and such a fast weapon will be the ultimate troll weapon in LD.
Freeze is also silly for a flourish, it'd be useless since you'll unfreze enemies on each combo. This satus is better for slower weapons like troikas.

Curse can be pretty strong to give it away. GF has some penalties because of that.

Mon, 11/19/2012 - 09:51
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Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of Herp Derp

They're not elemental damage, they're pure piercing. They just happen to trade out some of that piercing damage for a status, much like pretty much every other status-inflicting weapon out there (Plague Needle, the status alchemers, the haze bombs) other than Brandishes, which are widely agreed to be kinda unbalanced as they are. I have absolutely no desire to see something as ridiculous as a Shock Flourish, either.

We don't really need that much curse. It's meant to be a strong but uncommon status with penalties to using it, hence why the vials are so rare. I wouldn't mind adding it to a gun *cough*GrimIronSlugremake*cough*, but having lots of weapons inflicting curse...
I'll pass.

Sealed Swords are common in t2 because they do a ton of normal damage, enough to compensate for the fact that the damage dealt is reduced by pretty much any armour in the game. People don't use the charge, the charge doesn't inflict statuses with enough frequency to be useful in LD, and Curse isn't one of the statuses that the Sealed can inflict. In addition, the reason Faust and Gran Faust are used is because shadow resistance is relatively uncommon in t3 LD, and the normal swings do a lot of damage even without factoring in the potential Curse ability. Divine Avenger does the same amount of damage, except split normal/elemental. However, since Vog tends to be a bit more common than Snarbolax, gunners generally seem to use split PMoS/Shadowsun, non-Recon bombers have no other option than elemental defence, and defensive armour is pretty uncommon in t3 LD, the Divine Avenger generally gets less damage output than the Gran Faust.

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 02:15
#3
Hawxindanite's picture
Hawxindanite
Well I was just thinking

And good point @Little-Juances Shock flourish would be and epic trolling weapon in LD, it may even beat a team of hammer-spammers (but then again the non-premium users, like me, can have their revenge on the hammer-spammers)

But how about this.... A poison flourish (lol im too adiccted to flourishes)

And about the curse weapons what I mean is that they should make a curse sword bomb and gun not more curse swords no that would be so bad. And @Aurate Sealed sword can inflict curse on the charge its just unlikely.

But I still think the shock flourish is a good idea because I love shock =D

Tue, 11/20/2012 - 05:57
#4
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

Whilst I know that the wiki mentions that the charge can inflict any status, I have never encountered curse infliction in all the time I have used the Sealed Sword's charge (probably somewhere in excess of 200 or so, but I wasn't paying attention to the exact figure).

I'll do a 1k consecutive charge run in an Arena with my Sealed and see what kind of numbers get thrown up.
Also, just because you like a status doesn't mean that a weapon with it would necessarily be balanced.
Poison Flourish would be acceptable; that or a poison-themed BTB based on the Rabid Snarbolii. I think there was a thread suggesting that somewhere, but I can't recall the exact link.

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