Please moderators and administrators give me one more chance and I wont cause theft . I'll put back everything in! Please unban my steam account goharandomar I worked alot on it for 3 years help Please! This is unfair I need it back I was about to buy DLC too !
Hey Ive learned my lesson even if u wanna ban me for life, then atleast let me log in for 1 hour so I can get my stuff to another account aand give back everything to TE
You should've thought of the consequences when you emptied TE's guild storage. Especially when someone did the same thing not so long ago and got reported.
-.- are you sure, if you are right, then WTH goharandomar? You played for THREE YEARS and you still need to steal stuff out of a guild storage for money?
I wont do it again I promise Ive learned my lesson I really put alot of cash in that account come on and was about to buy DLC I wil lreturn everything
I know you are probably in a state of panic right now, but it sounds like you messed up. Instead of digging your hole deeper, click on the "support" link at the top right-hand side of this page. It'll get you closer to your goal and a few less unwanted remarks from other knights who don't pity scammers, hackers, or thieves.
I don't think they'll do anything. sorry, but the lesson is don't do it again. and don't ask to get stuff to other accounts, it just makes you more suspicious.
What on earth did you even steal from some guild's supply thing? Isn't it just materials and occasionally recipes and low star gear with bad UVs?
I guess people bust open parking meters and rob convienience stores too. "Muahahaha I got 267 dollars and 45 cents and now I must run from the law!" It just doesn't feel worth it. I could see it if it were a bank, and you added a few more zeroes onto that. Like, if I didn't have to work for the rest of my life afterwards and didn't have a chance at a normal job etc. then I guess I could see it. But not a parking meter/convenience store.
I agree with Fehzor, Go big or go home. Just be glad this isn't the middle east and your hand got cut off for it. You haven't yet, but soon will learn that stealing stuff from a group of people that put there trust in you is the WORST type of theft.
I think he deserves one more chance. Let him repay the debt, making the guys at TE less screwed, and giving him a sense of closure. I really cannot see the harm in allowing him back on SK.
You should've known the consequences of doing that. Using the forums to appeal a ban just won't work, with the exception of discussing a ban.
Try contacting Spiral Knights support here.
[EDIT:]
When you created your Spiral Knights account, you agreed to obey the Spiral Knights ToS. You broke a rule on the ToS, so you have to face the consequences of disobeying the ToS.
"Hey Ive learned my lesson even if u wanna ban me for life, then atleast let me log in for 1 hour so I can get my stuff to another account aand give back everything to TE"
Right, you want no penalty except having to change your knight's name for doing something dishonest and against the ToS.
How about no? How about you go eat a big, fat, spiny lichen colony with no utensils or even a glass of water?
You are the worst kind of thief. That guild trusted you to do the right and polite thing by not abusing your privileges within the guild. And what did you do? You spat in the faces of several knights, whine about getting what you deserve, beg like a wolver pup, and want the GM's to just let you get away Scott-free?
No. You see, the GM's have the power to grant people copies of items in-game if the party can prove that they were stolen. I can guarantee you that they've already done so since they've taken action to you so there's no point in promising to return what you stole.
If it had appeared you that you had actually learned your lesson, I'd be more lenient with you, but no. You get this. Now get off the forums and play somewhere else. We don't take kindly to your kind 'round here.
Honestly, I think Ustrinaferalthorn said it best. Your guildmates trusted you to not abuse your privileges with regards to the guild's storage, and instead you went ahead did exactly just that. There are players that worked hard to get that stuff, you know?
This also especially makes me angry because the same thing happened to my guild a few years back. Do you know how long it takes to get all of that stuff back? I really don't think you appreciate all the effort that goes into supplying the guild storage with those materials, and nor do I honestly believe you've learned your lesson.
I am so sorry ;-; This just happened to my guild a few weeks ago... We were lucky that the GM's kindly replaced what was stolen (either after seeing my post here or receiving the report) but truly, I know dat feel. It's terrible and infuriating...
/hug Miss-Matryoshka
Lionheart is always getting robbed ._.
thiefs never learn their lesson, neither the scammers or people that bully others. you dont deserve a second chance. man up and face the consequences of your actions.
Although I don't support the thief and his actions, and it's actually a really shameful thing to do, but why are you all acting like vigilantes? I mean, we all make mistakes, no exceptions, but do you really have to be that "harsh and salty" with the situation? Sure, I am not the one who got damaged here, and I can say I don't know what would I do if somebody stole stuff from the guild/me, but I hope I'd be more forgiving and less saltier than what I am seeing here.
I don't mean to be harsh, but if he is one to steal, the guild was stupid to promote him to member. It is a virtual world, and people will ALWAYS screw other people, especially if they are not taking anything physically valuable from them. The guild should have been more careful, instead of promoting a thief and getting burned.
So I will address the people in the "victim" guild. Don't be fools. Don't be naive. I'm sure you are an intelligent lot. Just screen more carefully, and we won't be in this situation again. I am not saying what he did was right, but it isn't "wrong" either. It is your fault entirely, for promoting someone liable to steal from you and then whining to the GM's about it.
Sweet-Hope, if you have nothing valid to add to this conversation then, quite frankly don't say anything at all. Sometimes it is better to not say anything at all, if you are going to sound like a 9-year-old. Also, your grammar/capitalization/punctuation sucks. I wonder if you ARE nine years old...
Ustrininaferalhorn, you have made a personal attack at Lundgrom, someone you barely know. You have called him "the worst kind of thief", OH! HE'S TERRIBLE! HE TOOK SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST! OH NO! Let's all brutally flame him! Sound fun?
Also, people! We have no means of telling if people have "learned their lesson" or not, because... this is a shocker.... none of us know him! Oh! Revelation of the CENTURY, if not the MILLENNIUM. We have not seen him, or know of the circumstances here. All we have, is the testimonial of the so called "victims", and a crowd calling for blood.
So I will say to you, before I end my spam of a derpbillion mini-paragraphs you are all too lazy to read, why punish someone for not stealing something REAL. They were not actually stolen from, from a legal standpoint. Why? NO ACTUAL PROPERTY WAS LOST.
Who here loves SK? I sure do, and hate to see other people lose what they enjoy. Let's all remember that we are still human here, folks, and try to show some basic compassion for Lundgrom, even if he did make some dumb mistakes.
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Sweet-Hope, if you have nothing valid to add to this conversation then, quite frankly don't say anything at all. Sometimes it is better to not say anything at all, if you are going to sound like a 9-year-old. Also, your grammar/capitalization/punctuation sucks. I wonder if you ARE nine years old...
way to go pal, im not english native talker, you should "think" before to talk and not to "think that everyone that not talk proper english" are underage users, have you though about that before? no i dont think so. i mean just because i dont have a proper grammar like native english people im just a underage user? hahaha thanks for the laugh of this noon
That's kind of a paradox, you're over there saying no one here knows him.
If that's the case, how could the guild people know he's a thief?
ironic-biscuit, by your definition of property, hackers aren't criminals cause they don't affect phisical property, credit cards can't be used cause there is no real transfer of money, stealing a facebook account is not a crime, and pretty much half of the internet crimes are not crimes because there is no phisical property stolen.
if your argument is that you said "actual", well, if all these things are actual property, why can't items and cash in MMOs be property too? it's the same principle. facebook accounts can have nicknames, and I can be addressed with it. I address you with yours. my character owns something, I own something. my guild is sharing items, those items are of the guild's disposal, not a single individual, since it's kind like an association of people in real life, so you are stealing from someone.
I believe that OOO should have a warning ban system.
1st offense: Temp ban 1 week, threatening message
2nd Offense: temp ban 1 month, doubly threatening message
3rd Offense: Permaban unless you have a RIDUCOLOUSLY good reason why not.
Honestly, there is no grace period with this system; a friend of mine was banned, ik how bad this feels :( ~Z
They actually do that, but they take theft more seerusly. For instance, cursing on the forums, leaking info about beta testing, and being rude to other players in-game will earn you temporary bans, but theft is charged more heinously. I rather like that since it gives less motivation for griefers to play this game. Unless you know someone in a guild already, it takes about an hour or so to get to Haven (it took me 2 since my wi-fi is ridiculously slow...) and find a guild. Then, if the guild has their standards, you have to earn their trust, get the promotion(s) needed to access storage, and then run.
That's a lot of effort to put into trolling.
@Ironic-Biscuit
Insults me for insulting someone I don't know.
Calls Sweet-Hope a 9-year-old in a condescending manner.
Hmm.... Going to have to agree with everyone else on this. Too many contradictions for any of your arguments to even be considered a legible statement.
Welcome to the court of Spiral Knights. It doesn't seem any different from real life's court of justice.
Truth be told, Chocolate-Biscuit here makes a valid point. Considering that you need elevation to gain access to a "common" guild storage - of which via the game mechanics, can allow anyone of that rank or higher to take anything they want; by law or any sort of ground rule it is not considered stealing, just ill-mannered in a way. Sure, you can have guild rules, this does not make them official.
It wouldn't be fair to call someone a thief by allowing them to take anything they want when you let them, would it? It's like giving free samples and they take everything, "I mean they're free aren't them?" says the alleged thief.
It all comes down to trust, whether you know they would take everything they want or not. My suggestion, do your bloody homework on everyone in the guild, don't come crying when they utilize a function built into the game, claiming its against your "guild rules" that they took everything. I do not support these actions, just giving some hindsight.
well zaffy, OOO does the best thing in this situation: by banning the thief, you also make the items the thief stole vanish, encouraging the guild to pay more attention next time.
sure, a message to guilds once in a while wouldn't hurt. update the loading messages anyone?
@Zaffy-Laffy and Chocolate-Biscuit
It still makes sense to ban people for this because feelings. Consider that if it happened to you, you would feel incredibly cheated by the game. You trusted someone, and they immediately back stabbed you to make a quick buck off of your efforts to make the guild a nicer place.
From OOO's perspective, they can either bolster their image and make the people happy with whatever "justice" they can deliver, as well as make the community a bit stronger by removing these people, OR they can just do nothing and let whoever get away with it. Since they aren't actually some kind of court and are rather a private institution with control over their domain, it would make very little sense for them to let the stealer go on the grounds that he didn't actually steal anything.
Kind of like if I was staying at your house for a week, and you said "Sure, help yourself to my food in the pantry." When you wake up and I've given away all of your food for money, you're not going to say "Haha! You got me there. Lets go buy more-- clearly, you shouldn't have been allowed this. Guess this one's on me."
Hoo boy. Time to write a long-winded post about what you've said. Before I begin, however, I mean no offence by any of this. I am simply stating here that I am in disagreement with you here, and I am attempting to pick apart what you've said in order to present my position. So, here goes.
"I don't mean to be harsh, but if he is one to steal, the guild was stupid to promote him to member. It is a virtual world, and people will ALWAYS screw other people, especially if they are not taking anything physically valuable from them. The guild should have been more careful, instead of promoting a thief and getting burned."
I have two issues with this line of thought. Firstly, this contradicts your last statement that people make mistakes, and that we should at least show some compassion towards people who make those mistakes. Instead of showing compassion for the guild who recruited Lundgrom, you outright censure them for a mistake in their judgement. This is also especially apparent in the paragraphs that follow the one I have highlighted here. Not only is this attitude towards the guild unfair, it is also an assumption about the guild for which you have no proof. Furthermore, you place the blame entirely on the guild, again contradicting yourself and implying that it's perfectly acceptable to abuse the trust and expectations of other players. You cannot just employ the usage of favouritism when exercising compassion, empathy or sympathy in cases like this. But, you know what? Perhaps I believe you are correct in saying that the guild did make a mistake, especially if their recruiting policies were not stringent enough. But, with that being said, much of the fault ought to be placed on Lundgrom. After all, he did commit theft, which brings me to my second point.
Players can still steal things even if there are no physical copies of said items. If you take something from somebody without their permission or knowledge (or you break certain rules or laws concerning the utility and accessibility of such items), that is theft. This would be especially so in a scenario in which a player goes out and steals a promotional item from another player, as those items cost real money. Additionally, such actions go against the Code of Conduct that has been put in place for this game. So, to put it simply, it's stealing, and it isn't okay, so don't be surprised if you get banned/receive tons of flak and criticism from other players.
However, much of this particular issue has been covered already in other posts, so, I'll move on.
"Sweet-Hope, if you have nothing valid to add to this conversation then, quite frankly don't say anything at all. Sometimes it is better to not say anything at all, if you are going to sound like a 9-year-old. Also, your grammar/capitalization/punctuation sucks. I wonder if you ARE nine years old...
Ustrininaferalhorn, you have made a personal attack at Lundgrom, someone you barely know. You have called him "the worst kind of thief", OH! HE'S TERRIBLE! HE TOOK SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST! OH NO! Let's all brutally flame him! Sound fun?"
Again, you are contradicting yourself. You imply that players shouldn't be making personal attacks with your interjection towards Ustrina, but, then you make an negative assumption about Sweet-Hope about his/her ability to communicate in English properly(which turned out to be untrue, I must add). Additionally, MOST of the comments here have been made with the intention of criticizing Lundgrom's actions, rather than personal attacks. In fact, let me just copy some examples down here.
Bamzalot: "If you need to tell the game masters something, tell it to them, not us. You will get a faster, better, and more useful response that way. And possibly find a solution to your problem. Although, theft is not exactly a thing the GMs find forgiving, or so I hear."
Yveltal: "You should've thought of the consequences when you emptied TE's guild storage. Especially when someone did the same thing not so long ago and got reported."
Fangel: "I know you are probably in a state of panic right now, but it sounds like you messed up. Instead of digging your hole deeper, click on the "support" link at the top right-hand side of this page."
Thunder-the-Bright: "I don't think they'll do anything. sorry, but the lesson is don't do it again. and don't ask to get stuff to other accounts, it just makes you more suspicious."
Look, I get that people make mistakes, and that sometimes people make ad hominem attacks towards people they don't know, but it's just delusional to completely disregard Lundgrom's responsibility to respect guild rules and Code of Conduct rules. If you break the rules, you ought to be facing the consequences.
How about no? How about you go eat a big, fat, spiny lichen colony with no utensils or even a glass of water?
If it had appeared you that you had actually learned your lesson, I'd be more lenient with you, but no. You get this. Now get off the forums and play somewhere else. We don't take kindly to your kind 'round here.
that....was....awesome! i lol'd when i read that one.
Could not have said it any better myself. I'll admit I was harsh, but honestly, people always seem to baby players in less-than-favorable situations. I can't stand it. I believe you should tell people like it is, no censorship (except cursing here, due to ToS). If they feel bad about it, then good. Shame and humility are your emotion's ways of telling you not to screw up again unless you want to feel like Wolver dung.
Everyone today tries to go in with this mentality that everyone should win no matter what, but that's just not how things work. You're going to lose every once in a while, especially if you break conduct. Deal with it.
@Iron-Dragon-Guild
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!?
Call me sadistic but I don't kinda feel he gets a second chance but still, let's face the fact that making an unban appeal here is gonna be as useless as a knight's left hand. *
*being obvious because being obvious is obvious
Edit: OR you could always start a fresh account, smell the flowers on the way back up, get demolished by RT repeatedly etc.
I thought once you get banned permanently you can't start a new account?
There's always the old make a completely new Spiral Knights account under a new email address/new Steam account and start off basically from scratch, unless I'm misremembering* things.
*heck I even wonder if that's a word
I was under the impression that the bans were performed via IP meaning that even if you made a new everything, you still couldn't log on unless you knew a way to bypass it. I think most of the playerbase in this game is very young (9-13) and have very little info on these kinds of things unless they're hardcore Minecraft players. Those kids are insane.
/shrug
Could be wrong though.
Be a man and take consequences of your actions and learn from your mistakes. Or did you think you weren't going to get caught? I bet anything you've robbed and scammed people before and that resulted in you falsely believing that you can get away on other situations in which you commit the act of robbery. That right there is the embodiment of stupidity. What I find pitiful is that you post a beg thread on GENERAL DISCUSSION thus shining more light on your stupidity. One simple yet important reason why OOO won't forgive you is mainly because if they do, it will give other robbers the impression that
OOO is forgiving on this matter which results on robbers and scammers thinking that there's not much to lose if they get caught. It's like that teacher in school that everyone disrespects and doesn't do anything about it.
Then there's the teacher that everyone respects because students know if they behave bad they will be punished. OOO is this teacher!
Hey but look at the bright side.You've learned to look at the consequences of things.
Also for those who are saying OOO should forgive them,read the part of which I mentioned the teachers.Maybe you will understand why you're wrong.
You stole from hardworking players. You deserve to lose everything, just like you made them lose everything.
You're not sorry that you stole everything. You didn't have a reason to do that that didn't stem from avarice.
You're sorry you got caught.
And for the people trying to protect him, stealing is any instance of taking something that does not belong to you. Whether you are allowed to or not initially does not lessen the fact that theft is theft.
That still doesn't give you the privilege to be so aggressive and hateful towards "the thief". You can get mad at him, never forgive him, but I am pretty sure you shouldn't be that nasty to him. I am not defending "Lundgrom", but rather anyone that makes a mistake, and then feels guilty for it. Learn to forgive, it's a good thing....
I'm pretty sure our shields attach to our left wrists for the most part(or float), except for the tortodrone shields.
One thing I want to point out to some is the fact that some guilds have a sort of path players follow in order to be promoted in the guild. It's part of the structure of the guild. Now, I don't know if the guild in question here does that, but it might explain why our thread starter was a high enough rank to loot the guild if the guild did that.
Perhaps you're right. I have trouble with 'thieves' in particular, because they often make conscientious decisions to deprive other people of their earnings and hard work for sole personal benefit, hiss. And if he hadn't been caught, I doubt he would have come back and returned everything out of sheer guilt.
But, he -does- have a conscience, it seems. That's worth respect at least, once you turn a blind eye to the fact that he wants to move his items to a new account. That shouldn't be allowed at all.
So, sorry for the snap. But even so, he should still eat the ban for this, if only for the fact that it's against the ToS.
You are right about the forgiving part. Partly right.
We players can forgive them but OOO can't because of the impression it would give.
Read my post above maybe you'll get what im trying to say.
It's a bonfire in here. How about this, we stop pointing out other's mistakes, stop throwing attacks at an obviously regretful criminal, and stop acting like a bunch of barbarians screaming for blood. We need to remember that while this is a capital offense, it doesn't make him a 'KoS sinner who shalt never be redeemed.' Here's the way I see it. The guild is mad becuase they lost their items. The theif is mad because he regrets his decision, and is looking for forgiveness. But OOO as we all know, has written in Terms Of Service that theft will not be tolerated. How about for this case, we settle things by returning lost items, and forgetting this poor man's decisions. (Even though he does deserve them.)
I don't think people were accusing him in a barbaric way,they just gave reasons and explanation for their opinion in a friendly way.
I think that most of the people were shocked for the fact that as he says 'he's a player who has been playing the game for 3 years 'which makes the matter more disappointing :/
As for the guy/girl yes he made a mistake which will results will be a huge punishment from OOO,so there is nothing more and nothing less to argue in here about,the case is closed.
I wish you the best of luck Lundgrom ^^
Greetings,
As many others have pointed out, the forums aren't the place to contest your ban. If you'd like to do so, send us a mail here: https://www.spiralknights.com/support/#mail
While items in guild storage are up for grabs, taking out an immense quantity of items can and will be considered as theft. Please remember that the items are deposited for everyone to use. :)
If you need to tell the game masters something, tell it to them, not us. You will get a faster, better, and more useful response that way. And possibly find a solution to your problem. Although, theft is not exactly a thing the GMs find forgiving, or so I hear.
Now, where is that contact support link?