Spiral Knights - Reasons to use AT

Reasons to use AT

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Mon, 07/07/2014 - 07:47

Holy-Nightmare

Whether or not to use Auto target is a much debated topic here

With claims like increased range and spot on accuracy for fast weapons one can see how one who uses AT can be condemned by the community.

However there may the certain circumstances in which it is OK to use it.

These include but are not limited to:

High Ping
Being generally outclassed in terms of gear (4star gear against lvl10 5star)
Not using trinkets of any kind
New to LD
Sucks at LD

The last possible reason is because you have absolutely no UVs. But this somewhat depends on your armor and how it stacks up to competition (I.E. BKC and Shadowsun slicker would not fit this though armor without massive damage/asi/ctr bonuses would)

If you use AT and none of these apply to you I dub thee Prick

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 07:56

Valtiros

But AT is part of the

But AT is part of the game!
You have absolutely right to use it with a good connection, asis vh and an overpowered stuff :D

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 08:39

Krakob

As well as being a gamepad player or keyboard player, I'd say.

Honestly, you'll just have to live with people using and abusing AT either way.

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 17:54

Deleted-Knight

I don't think prick is a good label.

It's arrogant to feel your accuracy isn't perfect?
I think it should be the other way around. The arrogant people are those who think they are somehow better just because they chose to not use something that is advantageous.

"I'm so modest, I can beat you without help. You're so arrogant, you need special help to beat me."

Mon, 07/07/2014 - 17:59

Ill-Fate-Ill

What I don't like about you "No Autotarget" cults is that you sit here and complain, but you don't train yourself to be not bothered by it. Autotarget is an existing option in the game and will most likely be not removed. OOO is not going to remove autotarget just because a minority in the Lockdown community don't like it.

What about the other, what, thousands of non-pvp players that use it? What about the new players? They might use Autotarget but they just do random combo's that are easily dodged. So you got killed by one of them. So you scream your pants off at them. They have no idea what you are talking about because half of them don't even know what "cap a point" means.

Seriously, train yourself to surpass autotarget and stop making these threads. It's not controversial, it's pointless to discuss an excuse made up by your cults.

P.S:
soz if you feel uncomfortable reading this. I'm still half asleep. *yawn*

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 00:53

Bleyken-Forums

High ping isn't a reason, players with high ping don't need to use AT because it is useless.

Not using trinks? Are you kidding?

If AT is for people who suck in LD, don't complain if someone calls you AT noob. This goes for everyone.

And I know a lot of players without uvs or AT and they can play better than many AT users.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 02:08

Krakob

High ping isn't a reason, players with high ping don't need to use AT because it is useless.
I'm just gonna go ahead and say that this is bullfeces. When playing on US, I can definitely not hit quick players without AT with Acheron. With AT, it's possible in some situations on the other hand.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 09:53

Oroseira

This thread should be called

"6 reasons not to use AT"

Ok?

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 12:26

Bleyken-Forums

@Krakob

If you usually use AT, of course you won't be able to aim without it

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 12:51

Krakob

Doesn't that just further support my statement that AT makes a difference with lag?

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 13:06

#10

Bleyken-Forums

No, I have 2 bars on USA and I can play with no-at acheron without problems. You just need to predict

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 13:08

#11

Krakob

As a gamepad player, I'll pass on that. I'll no-AT Acheron on Eu. Kudos to you for having the skills, though.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 13:11

#12

Bleyken-Forums

It's not about skill. You need to use your common sense and attack on where you think they are going.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 13:21

#13

Krakob

That's skill, silly.

Tue, 07/08/2014 - 13:36

#14

Bleyken-Forums

Sat, 07/12/2014 - 08:11

#15

Total-Bagel

I agree with Nocturne AT/AA is a part of the game.
Its never gonna be removed from the game
And I occasionally use AT when :-
The other team is fairly superior.
Pola Spammers..
If im annoyed with some1 on the other team
But hey im in India and permanent 1bar :P
You cant blame me i got no UV's

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:15

#16

Glittertind

"Autotarget is an existing option in the game and will most likely be not removed. OOO is not going to remove autotarget just because a minority in the Lockdown community don't like it." -Nocturne-Grande

"Its never gonna be removed from the game" -Clytiusm

Oh, but you feeble mortals forget that Aphrodite, in recent time, said the following:

"PvP is something that the team wants to take a closer look at, but
it isn't at the top of the list right now. Auto Targeting is one small piece
of PvP. The team wants to take the time to look at the entire system. Making a
small, quick change to AT might be a bad idea and throw things off. The team
doesn't want to make a quick fix and break PvP." -Aphrodite

So auto-target may definitely be changed. Maybe even removed. We could possibly try to convince them to have it removed when the winds of change blows over PvP again.

Wed, 07/23/2014 - 03:20

#17

Bleyken-Forums

@Clytiusm

''Pola Spammers..''

The polaris is also part of the game. Don't be hypocrite please.

Sun, 07/27/2014 - 07:54

#18

Pawsmack

@Anddres

He never stated that Polaris users weren't part of the game.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 06:03

#19

Vaked

Only read the OP...

... but none of those are good reasons to use AA.
AA is a completely broken part of pvp and is inexcusable to use. People who defend AA are pathetic.

Tue, 07/29/2014 - 08:28

#20

Terrifying-Pancake

^Fiesty

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 06:16

#21

Valtiros

tactle, the problem comes not

tactle, the problem comes not from people who use AT. it comes from OOO which allowed it in pvp(this kind of help being normally removed in pvp games).
I can understand that people take advantage of everything that can improve their efficiency.
What is a problem however is people who fight to keep it available in the game, even in highest levels where people are supposed to have learned to play.

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 07:28

#22

Seiran

#strikerproblems

Just wondering... are any of you who complain about AT guardian or recon mains?

I mean, I've mostly stayed out of this because I keep feeling like AT has been an irrelevant part of Lockdown against me as a recon, but I'm really wondering if any other recon/guard mains out there share the sentiment.

(and just for clarification: it's that feeling that you will get hit unless you do something about it - ex: outspace with guns or out-time with swords)

Wed, 07/30/2014 - 10:08

#23

Krakob

I feel like AT is pretty irrelevant against Recons and Guardians. Both are super easy to hit (as a striker), AT or no AT. While Strikers have a very significant dodging ability thanks to their boost, Recons are unaffected by AT when using their ability and Guardians turn into slugs which requires no accuracy to hit. I feel like AT can be semi relevant when speaking of guns vs Guardians, at least. It's very easy to harass guardians with an AT Antigua while keeping your distance, which the guardian would have to counter either by making smart moves or by using a gun. Using smart moves is kind of hard if the enemy is a striker, though. At best, you'll land a Gran Faust hit before they boost away and keep on chipping away at your shield. Using guns to counter guns is by all means viable, but it all comes down to who's the best gunner. I like using Valiance for this. It's pretty funny to see enemy striker gunslingers go down against my Valiance while I'm barely damaged by their Storm+Umbra or whatever they choose to use.

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